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The High Price of Freedom
Posted by Henrik on 12 September 2001, 17:12 GMT

I doubt that there could be anyone who is not all too aware of the terrible tragedy that occurred yesterday in the United States. We live in a world that is now vastly different from what it was only a day ago.

Our community represents people from across the world. Of all our members, the majority are Americans. Almost certainly, someone amongst our number has lost someone they knew, someone they loved... it is entirely conceivable that a member of our community was among those who died. I do not know. In all likelihood, we will never know. But we do not need to know to show our compassion towards the victims of these terrible acts of terror. Those who died were fellow human beings, and that is enough.

I speak for the entire staff when I say that our thoughts are with you all at this time.

 


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Re: The High Price of Freedom
piccolosandaisuki Account Info

During the past few days, I have noticed a significant change in the atmosphere everywhere around where I live - in school, at home, even when I go out to do something. I know that many people are suffering and will be for a while to come, especially those who had friends or relatives who worked in those places that were under attack. I hope and pray that somehow we can come back from this, and build something positive. Of course, there will be much that cannot be brought back, but we must try our best. Also, I hope that we can punish those responsible for these terrible acts, without causing a third world war. After the tragedy that has happened, we do not need more pain and suffereing, especially from those who were completely innocent.
I pray for all who lost a friend or family member in this terrible act. I give a special prayer for those who died while trying to save the lives of others. May God be with you all.

     14 September 2001, 22:02 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
jeff m  Account Info

I have not read all 224 (as of now) comments, so I am bound to be saying things that others have said, and apologize for that. I feel, of course, that this is a terrible attack, not only because of the loss of life, emotional, and economic damage to the US, but also because this attack was made by people cowardly enough to attack inocent people. If someone has a problem with the US, they should express their feelings through words. Even if they do attack us physically, it should _never_ be against civilians.
I also feel that whoever is responsible (at this point, probably Bin Laden) should be punished. If Bin Laden truly was the perpetrator, here are a few thoughts. I do not know how true and widespread this is, but on a news story I heard that Bin Laden has become a hero in many Mideast countries. Also, he is believed to be in Afghanistan, a country recently taken over by a military government which has completely removed religious freedom from the citizens, as well as taking away nearly all women's rights. These actions make hunting Bin Laden down much more justified.
However, I do not feel that the discrimination against Arabs suddenly growing in the US is in any way justified. By harming Arab _American citizens_ we are becoming as bad as the people who attacked us.
Finally, I greatly appreciate the strength of support for the US from foreign countries. This will help us to become stronger and more unified than before, instead of being torn apart as the terrorists wish.
I send my deepest condolences to anyone who has been hurt by this attack.

     15 September 2001, 02:25 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Stijn Arnauts  Account Info

(I have not read all the posts, but some of them at the beginning, so this might be said allready)

I can not believe you people.
All of you (well a great number of you anyway) are talking about WAR. About how people should be PUNISHED. About how you should ATTACK the country.
Do you even hear what you say ? Do you really need to hurt other people ? Offcourse they should arrest the guilty, but declare war on an entire COUNTRY ???? WHY ?

IS 4500 INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO GOT KILLED NOT ENOUGH ???
So what, if the people which live in the country of the terrorists are not american ? Does that mean that they are equally guilty as the terrorists ?
I don't live in America. If someone from my country planned the attack, does that mean that I deserve to die now ??

I hope you think about this. You don't honor the memory of the dead buy giving them company.

     15 September 2001, 09:43 GMT

Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
jeff m  Account Info

If you read my post, I said "hunt Bin Laden down." I absolutely do not support using any sort of weapon that would cost innocent lives.

     16 September 2001, 16:22 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Barrett Anderson  Account Info
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where the heck did anyone say declare war on another COUNTRY??? if afghanistan is HARBORING/HELPING terrorists, then we absolutely should declare war on them, (i also don't think a lot of innocent people would die with the technology we have today, there is no such thing as 'total' war anymore)they are just as guilty as the filthy terrorists themselves.

     17 September 2001, 04:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
jeff m  Account Info

This is simply not true. There are many in Afghanistan who have absolutely no influence in even family affairs (women) and plenty more who have none in politics. They should not be punished for the decisions made by others. If Afhanistan as a country is harboring terrorists, than it is the government's fault, not the people's. You could say the same about the US: the government is willing to do something you disagree with, like aiding another country in war. Would you hold all 280 million US citizens responsible?

     19 September 2001, 13:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Afghanistan IS a country... smart boy...

     19 September 2001, 15:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Barrett Anderson  Account Info
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i know... i meant that no one had said anything about declaring war on them yet... there was supposed to be a 'however' between my catch phrase question thingy and the 2nd sentence

     21 September 2001, 02:55 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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All I have to say...
http://www.geocities.com/augrad/wtc.swf

     15 September 2001, 04:02 GMT

Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Matt Bagby  Account Info
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Click the link.

You may want to update your site.

     15 September 2001, 05:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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yes, I realize that now... I'm going to update it soon

     19 September 2001, 15:34 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Jmstuckman  Account Info

I clicked on that, but I stopped wasting my time watching it as soon as I saw that fake "prophecy." It's been debunked: he never said that.

     16 September 2001, 00:39 GMT

Interesting proposal
Stephen Dalton  Account Info
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I just heard a rather interesting idea that I hope might spark a new thread of discussion:

What if the United States, in an attempt to put an end to Osama bin Laden and his followers, not only attacked Afghanistan but annexed it as a territory of the US?

Please, only intelligent answers. I hate it when people's entire messages are made up of "those stupid towel-heads should all burn in hell anyway, my 2.71828182845904590 cents"

9/11/01
REMEMBER

     15 September 2001, 04:08 GMT

Re: Interesting proposal
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Interesting idea, but I doubt we'll want a radioactive patch of scarred, empty land.

     15 September 2001, 04:41 GMT


Re: Re: Interesting proposal
lord_nightrose Account Info
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which is all would be left after our attack...

     15 September 2001, 20:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Interesting proposal
David Butenhoff  Account Info

Not at all...a Nuclear Bomb qould not be a prudent course of action for an attack, cruise missiles, (whisch by the way have not even been considered by any of the previous posts) would not put us at risk of losing american lives directly, (a draft is being considered for those in the reserves) instead of sending americans over there to fight, or to use what we would gain through an annex. Non radiatiotory bombs, (or better yet a NEUTRON BOMB, would not destroy any of the cities but rather most of the lives of people there.) and as always under the rules of engagement: we must give notice of any attack so any innocent people would have time to flee the country (even though more guilty people probably would as well) anyways, there are too many factors for any one person to decide what the situation calls for. Which is exactally why Bush should listen to ALL of his executive advisors about the situation, and get input from the public as well. Peace Out!

     15 September 2001, 21:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting proposal
lord_nightrose Account Info
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I was kidding, morbidly...

What exactly is a neutron bomb? I've heard of them, but never really known anything about them...

     16 September 2001, 00:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting proposal
Michael Holt  Account Info
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A neutron bomb has the same core as a fusion bomb, but the surrounding layer of U-238 isotopes is not present (as it is in fusion bombs), so only the energy released from the fusion core comprises the total explosive yield. This energy is in the form of a massive flux of neutrons, combined with some gamma radiation. These cause horrible damage to all organic things within a large radius. The benefit of neutron bombs is the lack of radiation after the blast and all unorganic structures are unaffected. The idea has been developed here (US) since 1958. Several other countries have developed (supposedly) or obtained (*cough*..china) it recently. European governments really don't like the weapon...since they thought if we were in a nuclear war with Russia they would be exposed to neutron radiation so...I'm not sure if we have very many.

     16 September 2001, 05:26 GMT

Re: Interesting proposal
Steve Koeven Account Info
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Why would we want to annex Afghanistan?

     15 September 2001, 04:51 GMT


Re: Re: Interesting proposal
Daniel Bishop  Account Info
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so we could get cheap oil?

     15 September 2001, 06:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Interesting proposal
Jeroen

first of all... sorry for any grammar/spell errors, im from some european country so pleasy dont pay much attention to it...


I think annexing afghanistan wouldn't be such a wise thing to do. The position of afganistan (in the middle of all mid-east of countries) does not excludes problems with native ppl after annexation of afghanistan. and btw, why whould amerika want afghanistan for...? (exept the oil and free microwave-rays all over)

     15 September 2001, 17:18 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting proposal
Beta

"im from some european country"

Are you implying that you do not know which one?

     16 September 2001, 19:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting proposal
Kane_82586 Account Info

Afghanistan is not in the Middle East, it is over by India and Pakistan.

     17 September 2001, 23:48 GMT


Re: Interesting proposal
ooosadface

hmmm...A US military base in the Middle East...hmmm...
It could be another area for testing new things kind of like Area 51 (that doesn't exist).

     17 September 2001, 21:33 GMT

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