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The High Price of Freedom
Posted by Henrik on 12 September 2001, 17:12 GMT

I doubt that there could be anyone who is not all too aware of the terrible tragedy that occurred yesterday in the United States. We live in a world that is now vastly different from what it was only a day ago.

Our community represents people from across the world. Of all our members, the majority are Americans. Almost certainly, someone amongst our number has lost someone they knew, someone they loved... it is entirely conceivable that a member of our community was among those who died. I do not know. In all likelihood, we will never know. But we do not need to know to show our compassion towards the victims of these terrible acts of terror. Those who died were fellow human beings, and that is enough.

I speak for the entire staff when I say that our thoughts are with you all at this time.

 


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Re: The High Price of Freedom
Kazuya Cat  Account Info

This certainly was a tradgedy, but calling it the worst in history is not true. The world has had many at least equal tradgedies, from the flood, to the Holocaust. Also I seem to be reading posts by Christians that slam and Islam. Not only are you violating others rights (freedom of religon) But you seem to also be conviently forrgetting all of the Holy Wars that were waged in the name of Christ. The Crusades went on from 1095 AD to the seventeenth century. They casued many more deaths than our current situation. These "knights" also raped and plundered the cities that they captured. Let us not forget our own history when we feel it neccesary to place blame.
Kazuya Cat

     13 September 2001, 05:26 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Jacob Drexler  Account Info

I'm reall, really sick of all this crap about "violating other's rights". I agree that slamming someone based solely one thier religion is wrong. But I do not believe that there are a lot of true Christians doing the slamming.

Also, the Crusades. It is true that a few of them were started by the Pope and other religious figures, but they were not Christian wars. They were excuses for a man to gain more prestige and power.

     30 September 2001, 06:46 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Jonathan Harm Account Info
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This is a time when we all need to pray for the victims, their families, and world peace.

Let us just hope that it is over and nothing like this ever happens again in the history of man.


If you want to read news articals from the 11th, I have many stored on my website as well as video footage I ripped from cnn.com.

     13 September 2001, 05:29 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Tse Tse  Account Info

You don't need to pray, you need to help them.

And hoping such things will never happen again, is like hoping it would suddenly rain candy bars. Face the truth. Don't hide yourself and ignore it all. That'd be the same as taking drugs. Then you also hide yourself for the truth, for the cruel world. This time your God is your drug.

Don't understand me wrong on this. Believing in a God can be good and can give you strength. But using God as a mean to hide yourself for the thoughts that this would some day happen again (maybe to you), is wrong. Believing in a God should enlighten you, as what happent to the apostels at Pentecost, as what happent to Mohamed when he met the angel Gabriel,... Your God should not be used as something that solely makes you feel comfortable as that is false hope. You all witnessed that.

     13 September 2001, 14:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Jonathan Harm Account Info
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I do want to help, but you need to understand that not everyone who wants to help can leave their homes, famileis, jobs, etc and go to NY. I am 17 and I live in Missouri, New York is too far away for me to physically help, so I plan on donating to the red cross soon.

I do not wish to get into an argument about religion, so if you reply, please don't talk any more about religion. If you don't believe in God, I won't argue with you to believe.

And one last question(if you even read this reply), what are you doing to help?

     13 September 2001, 17:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Tse Tse  Account Info

Help has various dimensions. Donations are one of those and is a very good way helping.

About discussing religion, I indeed don't believe in a God, instead I have other ways to give a meaning to life. But this doesn't mean I have something against people who do believe, as long as that belief isn't used as a drug, as a mean to escape reality. I meant to say that a belief, whether that is in a God or in something else, should be something that makes you love your life, make you happy the way you are and give you a good mood. And being such automatically makes you help others, makes you be there for others. And that can be interpreted in many ways. It is that what makes an old woman smile when you help her cross the street. It is that what makes your child fall asleep again when it woke up from a nightmare. That is belief.

About your question what I'm doing to help. I give blood four times a year. It has become some sort of a habbit that I started doing three years ago. Should do that too...

     13 September 2001, 18:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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You seem like a very bitter person...

     15 September 2001, 20:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lalu

Why? Simply because he doesn't believe in a God?

     29 September 2001, 09:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Jacob Drexler  Account Info

Yes

     30 September 2001, 06:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lalu

In that case, you would probably call me bitter too. I do believe in a God, but it is not a conventional one... it is the God of Physics (i.e., Nature). Most other physicists too would probably be "bitter" by your definition.

     9 October 2001, 06:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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That comment wasn't simply in response to what he said. It was in response to his entire chain of statements. He seemed to be constantly ridiculing people's beliefs as stupid. That's why I said he sounded bitter.

And no. I don't think you're bitter. But I do think it's stupid to worship nature. Why not worship the God who created it? Just because YOU don't BELIEVE in Him doesn't mean He doesn't EXIST. He DOES exist, and I have a very good personal relationship with Him. Hopefully you'll see my point and change your ways someday.

     8 October 2002, 17:08 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Ben Ilegbodu  Account Info
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Everytime I think about it in my mind, I just don't believe it happened, even though I watched (and heard) it all unfold. I saw the second plane slam into the south tower. I saw the south tower go down. And I saw the north tower go down. I even saw that third building go down, and yet it still isn't real to me. I just keep having the feeling that I just watched Independence Day, and I'm waiting for the movie to end. But what I have to come to realize is that it's not a movie and it's not going to end any time soon. I'm just waiting for the "We Strike Back" part. I fully believe and forgiving people for their sins, but I have way too much hatred for whoever did this to even consider forgiving them. I'm a God-fearing person, but if I had a gun in my hand and the culprit in front of me, I don't know I have a good feeling of what I would do...

     13 September 2001, 07:07 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Kane_82586 Account Info

Hey I know you you made that cool bowling game.

     19 September 2001, 05:14 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Petr Otoupal

Check this out:
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos,while the fortress endures,the great leader will succumb.The third big war
will begin when the big city is burning"
..Nostradamus 1654
Ps.I hope he wasn't right....

     13 September 2001, 11:10 GMT

Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Tse Tse  Account Info

He'll only be right if America reacts in a wrong way.

     13 September 2001, 11:53 GMT

Nostradamus got a lot of his info from a book written thousands of years before.
ooosadface  Account Info

Umm...He got that from the Bible dude...The two brothers are the blood lines of the Palestinians and the Jews. I can't remember who the brothers were, but as soon as I find out I'll post it. There is ALOT of phrophecy in the Bible that has come to pass and even more that will...Praise the Lord!

     13 September 2001, 18:16 GMT


Re: Nostradamus got a lot of his info from a book written thousands of years before.
Petr Otoupal

Yeah that is right,but on the other side,there are a few more possible explanations or meanings.
Two Towers - Two Brothers?
Ps.Ummm...... or maybe not.:-)))

     13 September 2001, 19:05 GMT

Re: Re: Nostradamus got a lot of his info from a book written thousands of years before.
ooosadface  Account Info

Ummm...OK...By the way it was Isaac and Ishmael. Sons of Abraham.

     13 September 2001, 20:58 GMT


Re: Re: Nostradamus got a lot of his info from a book written thousands of years before.
Nick Carlson

Israelites and Samaritans. Formerly the same group, but were seperated after the exile to some country which I don't remember right now. I think (though I'm not too sure) that the Samaritans are modern-day Palestineans.

     13 September 2001, 21:55 GMT

Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
dreadnought46 Account Info
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Nostradamus died in 1566.
(I doubt he wrote this over 80 years after his death)

And besides, it's a hoax, click the link for a full explanation.

     14 September 2001, 03:32 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
pendragon Account Info
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That "Nostradamus" prophecy is a fake!!!!!!

read here:

http://fury.com/article/925.php

or click my link.

     17 September 2001, 01:21 GMT

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