I've looked up a few interesting articles about this from the UK BBC news. (For those who are still interested a week after)

* Commented Iraqi news. You might be a bit touched by their celebrations, but just try to understand their point of view.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/
world/middle_east/
newsid_1540000/1540216.stm

* Bush seeks Muslim support.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/
world/americas/
newsid_1549000/1549271.stm

* Iran condemns attacks, but warns for US military assault.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/
world/middle_east/
newsid_1549000/1549573.stm

* Irael taking advantage of the situation?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/
world/middle_east/
newsid_1540000/1540102.stm

* The importance of allies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/
world/americas/
newsid_1541000/1541786.stm

* The US seems to have planned military actions against the Taleban long before the attacks. Is this why they so rapidly accused the Taleban and Osama Bin Laden?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/
world/south_asia/
newsid_1550000/1550366.stm

it seems that this was not the first time ben laden has done something similar to this. In my opinion i belive that a bigger nation was also involved. The were probably planing on bombing the us when the plan back fired. Because they if they destroy our financial system, military, (and i belive they were trying to send a plane to the white house...), then there would be no one to make a decision on millitary. That would of given them about 3 days to atack the US with bombs and perhaps Russia could have sent a nuke. go to my website! and submit

I'd doubt there's something I can say that someone hasn't said already. But I really don't feel like reading through 351 comments, so...

I fell deeply sorry for all those who died and all who lost loved ones/friends. Justice must come to those who commited these horrid acts of murder.

Anyway...

Has anyone notice that history is being made? Look at these new records:

1. World's largest pile of manmade rubble in the history of mankind
2. First time someone has bombed us with 3 of our own planes within a few hours of each other while not in wartime
3. Longest ticalc.org thread to date (351 comments so far, it'll probably go over 400 soon)

I'm more than a little concerned that most everyone on this board seems to hold the opinion that this was a completely secualr attack, that nothing even remotely religious factored into it at all. His tory has shown that Muslims do not like Chrstians at all. Even today, as in September 19, 2001, unknown numbers of Christians were martyred in Muslim countries. And it wasn't just the "extremeist" factions doing it. Most religions are very antagonistic towards Christians because the founder of them (Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub, call him what you will) knowns, deep down, that Christianity is right and he's wrong. I have no doubt that I'll be ridiculed for the rest of my life for expressing any faith at all in a higher power as long as I live in this post-modernist society. But, I have hope that others do not. I know that one day, my Lord will come back, as he promised, and call his children home. I can't wait.

How many muslims died in the US last week in fights started by Americans? (answer: more than 0, so, too much)

(This does not imply that you are one of those who symphatizes with those attacks)

Are you now equating American with Christian? Almost nothing could be further from the truth! How many Americans are real Christians? Not just good people, and not just people who are at church 3 days a week, but real, Bible-believeing, Christ following Christians? I'd guess that there are fewer today than there were in 1776. Not in percentages, but in actual numbers.

How many Americans have died in attacks staged, planned, or carried out by Muslims? I can't even count that high.

The number of people killed by Americans is higher...

How do you know?

I counted it... :-)

Look at the Civil War.

I believe he was referring to Americans (which are all Christians, according to him) killing Muslims. And I don't think many Muslims fought in the Civil War :-)

i took him to be stating that more Americans have been killed by Americans than Americans by Muslims.

And yes, it's also true that Americans have killed more muslims than they americans. just the ones we kill aren't broadcasted to the rest of the world.

what solid evidence do we have that these people are terrorists, from the middle east, or connected to Osama bin Laden anyways? i'm not flaming anyone, nor asking to be flamed, i'd just like to know.

And even if we were sure, what's declaring war on Afghanistan going to do?

Wait...your info says you're from the US! Why have you been bashing Americans?

He is playing "devils advocate" so that we see both sides of the issue. Give him a break.
Kazuya Cat

I was born in America, brought up like an American and proud to be an American. I held my flag high. Now I study in Europe. I've learned things here which made me change my point of view. I was no longer proud to be an American. The US (not Americans) is arogant and selfish. And these are just facts. It's not that other countries say you are, because they're jealous or because they hate you, whatever... It just is. It has even come so far that some people are willing to kill themselves just to nuke you. And how does the US react? "Bomb them!!" Don't you see? That just deteriorates the whole thing. Just accept what you've done wrong in the past. Ask forgiveness. Help those people in those countries (Afghanistan,...) instead of starting a war (and that counts for all countries). Do you know how poor they are? You'll just make things worse...

Please don't say "you" when it's not me! Saying that Americans are "arrogant" and "selfish" is a stereotype such as an American might say that an Arab is a terrorist (and I'm not saying they are). It all depends on your point of view, i.e. what you've been hearing on the news, from other people, what you've been taught, etc. Also, many people in the US are highly opposed to a war, but those thoughts are likely to be outweighed.

Sorry, actually it wasn't meant to you personally. With 'you' I meant the US and its government, not really Americans themselves.

It really doesn't look like that's what they are planning to do. If it were, they could have done it several days back. Instead, the coalition is targeting only the terrorists, and trying to ensure that the people of Afghanistan (who have, in general, done nothing wrong) do not suffer.

Amen, Jacob Drexler

As I understand the Klu Klux Klan is Christian. Their racist attacks are "religiously" motivated. Calling an extremist faction the mainstream is not only abhorable, it is wrong. Also, the Muslim faith is not the church of the devil. Saying that sows seeds of hate. Muslims have many of the same teachings as Christianity. Do your reasearch. Then do as Christ would. Love not hate...
Kazuya Cat

The KKK is not a Christian group. They may say that they are, but to be a Christan is not to spout religious drivel, or to go to church every Sunday, but to trust with all your heart that Jesus Christ died for you on the cross and that you need Him to come into your life, and then you need to give Him control. This country is firmly convinced that to be a Christian and to get into Heaven, all you need to do is "live a good life" or "be a good person". That is the most disgusting thing that I have ever heard.

Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. You say that "The KKK is not a Christian group. They may say that they are..." It is the same with Muslims, there are EXTREMEIST factions who SAY that THEY ARE Muslim. I think that it is repulsive, that you think, that all other denominations are churches of the devil. Look at the Christian churches. We are not free from the devils influence. Look at the Crusades... They were ordered by Popes and went on for 500 years. We were going about killing, raping, and pilaging Muslims right and left. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that Christianity is a target for extremist Muslims, because we were at war with them for 500 years...
Kazuya Cat

I do not believe that any one denomination of the church is correct. I believe that only people who have accepted that they need a savior because they have sinned, accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, and trust Him completely will get into heaven. That means that if the Pope has never accepted Jesus, he won't be in heaven. That also means that if Saddam Husein or Osama Bin Laden accepts Jesus tomorrow and dies the day after, they will be in heaven. Not all Muslims are extremist, but all Muslims are wrong, on a cosmic scale.

That is a really arrogent statement even if it is correct... Perhaps next time you might want to rephrase your statement so it is not so blatently offensive and rude...
Kazuya Cat

Why should I water-down the way I talk just so I don't step on the toes of some hyper-sensitive political correctness freak? Our society seems so concerned with making sure that everyone was feeling alright and not getting offended that it was hardly able to function.

What makes the difference between Christians and Muslims? You are as extreme and narrow-minded in your religion as Muslim extremists themselves. You say you are right and others are wrong solely on the basis of what you were thaught. You have no prove what so ever. You say what you believe, what you *think* is right. That doesn't mean, it really *is* right. Christians go to heaven, because their belief says so. Muslims go to heaven, because _their_ belief says so. There isn't *any* reason to indicate which one is right. Religion isn't there, just to say other beliefs are wrong. Religion is there to give hope, to give you a reason to live, not hate towards other forms of religion, other ways of living.

Note: Religion in this text should be seen as something wide. Even atheism is religion.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that in Christianity, Christians get to go to Heaven as soon as they die. Croak, right to paradise. Islam (as I understand it) teaches that one must "pay for" any sins they've commited. Similar to Purgatory in Hinduism. And, by the way, Christianity does have proof. There are countless archeological discoveries and historian records that prove that at least part of the Bible is true.

One last thought, if any religion can prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that it is correct, it's not much of a religion, is it?

Yes, religion is a belief and should not be proven. And therefore it doesn't give you the right to say all muslims are wrong on a cosmic scale, because, you don't know and you can't prove it.

The Bible is indeed (mostly) correct about historical facts. But that doesn't imply that Christianity is better. What you believe is that there was a God involved in those facts. Somebody else might as well not believe that, but still know that the Bible is historically correct.

It is my belief that muslims are wrong. There is also enough evidence to sugest that Christianity at least has some chance at being true.