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The High Price of Freedom
Posted by Henrik on 12 September 2001, 17:12 GMT

I doubt that there could be anyone who is not all too aware of the terrible tragedy that occurred yesterday in the United States. We live in a world that is now vastly different from what it was only a day ago.

Our community represents people from across the world. Of all our members, the majority are Americans. Almost certainly, someone amongst our number has lost someone they knew, someone they loved... it is entirely conceivable that a member of our community was among those who died. I do not know. In all likelihood, we will never know. But we do not need to know to show our compassion towards the victims of these terrible acts of terror. Those who died were fellow human beings, and that is enough.

I speak for the entire staff when I say that our thoughts are with you all at this time.

 


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Re: The High Price of Freedom
Sherman Cahal  Account Info
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I have updated my web-page (http://www.cahaltech.com) with even more information and pictures of the situation.
UPDATED: Airport Information, More WTC information, More Iraq Information.

     13 September 2001, 18:33 GMT

The High Price Of Freedom
Jan Klaassen  Account Info

Hi,

I'm from the Netherlands and I don't know how it's like to be an American and to experience such a disaster in your own country.
Well, I was having Science-class when te teacher was called by his wive about 15:10 (GMT +1 so about 9:10 in NY) to say that two planes have hit the WTC. I thought it was a joke, because our teacher is a bit weird, so I went home. When I came home the radio and TV were both on and my parents were watching CNN.
When I read : "America under Attack, attacks at NY and Washington" I thought...NY and Washington...what the hell?....and we saw some views of New York. It was about 17:20 (11:20 yours) when I saw the first pictures....New York was it saying under it....New York? Where are those two big towers? Then there went some shivers down my spine and I realized the WTC was gone... it had such an enormous impact..we are still talking about it on school. Who could be responsible...Bin Laden or maybe some extremist from inside? A poll was held under the population of the Netherlands and 50% is fearing another World War, and that's ridiculous! Some guys on this forum are talking about throwing a-bombs and stuff. But I know Bush is stupid, but not that stupid that he would start a 3rd WW! Also the NATO wouldn't be THAT stupid!
I think that the responsible ones should be punished with the death-penalty (how horrible it sounds), while I'm not pro death penalty (how do you say that).

When I look at those pictures and amateur-movies again I still can't believe what happened....
When I saw them for the first time, espesially that one where those poor people where jumping out of the building, I got really scared and I prey this disaster will end by punishing the responsible and not by starting another WW....

I think I can speak for my whole class and my family to say that all Americans and families of the victims have our condoleances.

     13 September 2001, 19:30 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
OrgcalcTI-89

This is a terrible act of War and we need to stop this by war even if it means inecent people die. WE will WIN this. The Twin Towers and all the other buildings that collapsed should be rebuilt for the love of thos beautiful and powerful country.

THIS IS A DAY THAT WILL LIVE IN IMFAMY!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

     13 September 2001, 22:02 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Norman  Account Info
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We should arrest Bin Laden and say were going to deport him back to whereever the hell he lives, and on the way fling him out of the airplane at 33000 feet.

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     13 September 2001, 23:25 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
BigRedDog Account Info

Well, one must be careful if the plane is pressurized. You see, if you open a door (or even make a pinhole) in a pressurized plane at that altitude, virtually everything will be sucked out, including the pusher. I guess you could put him (restrained) into pressurized UAV, and pop the bomb bay doors open, that way, no human life at risk, unless he landed on someone (unlikely). (I don't consider Bin Laden to be a human being)

     15 September 2001, 00:54 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Neither do most Americans - or other nations, for that matter.

     15 September 2001, 04:38 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
(Web Page)

INfamy.

     15 September 2001, 04:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Henry Hart  Account Info

<sarcasm>Thanks, I would've never known he meant infamy if it wasnt for your correction</sarcasm>

     25 September 2001, 06:04 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
acr34  Account Info
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I just want to say that the sickos who did this WILL PAY. Maybe they did it for their god. Well any god who says to kill others is a horrible god and not for any civilized person. Religion must come second to others lives.

Wars aren't between populations. They are between leaders, secure in their Air Force Ones and underground bunkers. Yet populations suffer. I don't criticize Bush, he did the right thing. I just say that when wars happen the common man pays.

But life must go on, there is much to be done. And if there is a hell may the 'people' who did this burn there for all eternity

     13 September 2001, 23:56 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Mateus Account Info
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What else can I say...This is just SICK!

-Matthew Varga

G-FORCE

     14 September 2001, 02:03 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
GundamMan69  Account Info

Jeez...i checked this article last and it had 7 comments,now 1 day later it has 154,you guys are quick to respond,I just wanna say I think that other then the families of the victims that I was hurt more then normal people that day. I came home from school early because they closed everything down. I live about 25 min. from D.C so the security and traffic as horrible. But the worst part of the story is that as I got home I was informed by my neighbor that my grandma had a stroke and was in the hospital,my family was all at the hospital except for me,left to sit alone at my house wondering what was happening,I thought that this could not have been a worse time for this to happen,one tragedy after another was too much for me, So I really want you people to be thankful for all you have and be grateful,and don't take anything for granted, because the next day it might not even be there...

     14 September 2001, 02:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
doniguan  Account Info
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158

     14 September 2001, 03:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Over 240.

     15 September 2001, 04:38 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Donny Account Info




This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

( Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record.)

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."


Also, from Canada's Toronto Sun -- It's how the Canadians view the terrorists:






In memory of all those who perished in Tuesdays events: The passengers and the pilots on the United Air and AA flights; The workers in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon; All of the innocent bystanders; The NYPD who ushered out the survivors, standing their ground as they were showered in deadly debris; The hundreds of FDNY who, in full gear, raced up the crumbling towers in acts of incomparable valor. Our prayers go out to the friends and families of the deceased.

Stand Proud, America!

     14 September 2001, 03:48 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Cory02  Account Info

hey. . . déja vu!

     14 September 2001, 23:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Barrett Anderson  Account Info
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at least this guy didn't put line breaks every 4 words

     15 September 2001, 01:44 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
Donny Account Info

This, from a Canadian newspaper, it is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit
distant cities, it is the United States that hurries
in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were
flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
millions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about
the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplane. Does any other country in
the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International
lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about
German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk
about American technocracy, and you find men on the
moon - not once, but several times - and safely home
again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced
to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing
with their flag high. And when they do, they are
entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are
gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada
is not one of those."

Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!

     14 September 2001, 04:47 GMT

Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Summoner  Account Info
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Firstly I would like to offer my condolences to all affected in this tragedy...

I am Israeli, and we live with these kinds of things (not in this scale of course) daily.... Terrorism is something governments have ignored cause it hasn't affected them or it was regarded an internal affair (like the chechnian russian situation). From this sad event, I hope the world will unite against terrorism and fight it. Till now, here we have been fighting a war against these terrorists, without much backing of western countries, and maybe this attitude of "it's their problem" gave the terrorisits an attack window where they could carry out such a planned attack without disturbence.

World Governments should unite against terrorism and wipe it out, innocent people shouldn't be hurt by islamic fanatics like this...

     14 September 2001, 18:14 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Patman1209

The only problem with the message is that it was not written this week, nor last week, hell most of us weren't even alive. It was written in 1973. The man who wrote the article died when 1984. It would be nice to see a similar article come out today from either Canada or any of the European nations. Either way its a nice piece but it was about the Vietnam War (I believe). Notice how it mentions a US tornado outbreak involving 59 communities. I believe there was a super-outbreak of tornadoes that year, he haven't had that this year (I believe).

     16 September 2001, 03:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Tse Tse  Account Info

Ah, that explains why I couldn't find any article about it. And why he claims no other country than the US makes aircrafts.

     16 September 2001, 12:19 GMT

Re: The High Price of Freedom
calcman03  Account Info

Why do we need to go to war. Why can't we just talk. Why can't we all get along. I hate wars especially long ones.

     14 September 2001, 19:11 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
aaorn h  Account Info

a) People that are so radical that they kill themselves to make a point are unreasonable. This by definition makes negation impossible. One does not reason with the insane.

b) The coming day will set the precedent for US reaction to those that kill her citizens. Do we what to seem weak or unyielding?

     14 September 2001, 19:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
lord_nightrose Account Info
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It's "Negotiation". Not "Negation."

     15 September 2001, 04:40 GMT

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