i think the only proper thing to do is to resign from ticalc.org.

Come on now, you expect Bryan to resign over something like this? I think it is even more humiliating to apologize to an enitre community than to resign. Bryan has brought so much to this site and to take him away would almost be like throwing the whole thing away(no offense to the other members). This site is probably the main reason that I began programing assembly and getting into ti calculators. I am not advocating Bryan's actions but I don't think the thing to do is for him to resign. It took guts for him to announce it in the first place, he could have just let it go and no one would have known.

Will Dempster
Z80 Assembly Coders

i know that bryan has brought a lot to ticalc.org. but, deleting a site isn't a joke. The only PROPER thing to do is resign. It is a matter of principle.

Maybe if Ticalc had some interns....

ok i take that back. i read the why text that is linked about a mile below. in that context, it makes bryan look more like a good guy.

I was thinking that you deleted the site for the heck of it. But instead you del for a reason. that is different.

sorry for misunderstanding.

C'mon now bill that would be dumb, out of principal? I am sure you have done some stupid things in your life and you saught forgiveness. Granted what Bryan did was wrong i think he took the responibility that he needed to. To make him resign would almost being like destroying him as a respected member of the TI-community and someone exploiting a loop hole to thin out the competition.

Will Dempster
Z80 Assembly Coders

that's a ridiculous request. bryan has put an incredible amount of work into this site. anyone who is so devoted that they spends 5 hours a day maintaining a site have my utmost respect, no matter what else they do.

besides, who are you to judge? he could do whatever he wanted and still run the site. after all, it's basically his site, along with the other members. he's not like a kid getting expelled from school, he's like a partner in a firm who got caught doing something shady. there's nobody to kick him out, since it's just as much his as anyone else's. (except maybe isaac...)

anyway, just let him run the dang site!

Bill, shut up. You are a very stupid person. (That wasn't a flame...really...in fact, this paragraph was created by very organized random EMF in your phone lines.)

His "hacking/cracking/taking advantage of opportunity" against ti-files does not affect his ability to run ticalc.org. This is pretty obvious.

Hmm, I wonder what you think should happen to Prez Clinton...
Maybe, to top this whole incident off, Bryan Rabeler should forget his prior mistakes and hire an intern for 'personal' use. (need I say more)

I can't believe what is this "huge" hype around this! Rumors are spreading etc. He,he,he,he,he!!!
Seriously, was it really that big thang?!
I know he used someone elses pass and used it wrong, but why did they give him the passes in the first place? The only reason I can figure out was that they are kids who think it would be cool revenge. Then what about Bryan? He probably is working for Ticalc.org(I don't really know, haven't studied the facts) and wants to do harm for their #1 competitor. That's best I can guess.
What I think is that all of yall who are guilty for this circus are actin' like fools-.
I mean, you should really compete in another way than harming each other. But if you can't, I suggest you leave the whole job.

Ville Jarvi aka. Outlaw

btw, many thanks for the Ti-files for a great site, also want to thank Ticalc-after all it's not you behind this,it's just Bryan + other fools.

Now what the hell>?

I've always admired ticalc.org cuz of it's better design, more professional nature, and mostly, its DIPLOMACY. Yes. You provide links and news about the other big TI sites (they basically pretend that ticalc.org doesn't exist.) I still think that ticalc.org is the best site- but why do you stoop to this kinda immature prank? Grow the hell up, folks!

Can't we all just get along??

For some reason, i dont beleive you, nobody if guilty, would phrase it the way you did. Go home lamer..

Brian did the right thing apologising. As someone said, it took guts, and was the mature thing to do. He could have just not said anything. He made a mistake, it happens. We've all done stupid things. He obviously feels guilty or he wouldn't have apologised. He certainly doesn't deserve some of the insults he's received. What he SHOULDN'T do is resign as he does good work and one mistake shouldn't stop him doing what he obviously likes doing.

I admire you, Bryan. I'm not sure I'd have done the same if I was in your place.

Well, that wasn't very intelligent!
If you may just not do it again?

Hack=Break into a computer system
Crack=Break into a computer system, AND knowingly cause the system to default, or crash.

Nuf' said

That's incorrect. Though the meaning of "hack" may mean to break into a computer system, that's not what it has always meant.

In the old days of computers, "hackers" were programmers When they would write code, they would "hack" it, meaning quickly write it to get the job done, whether or not it was actually good code. "Hacking code" means quickly programming, not breaking a password.

Someone who broke into computer systems were called "crackers", because they would "crack" (similiar to a safe) a password or other security system.

There is a big difference between programming and breaking into computer systems. Those who get the two mixed up usually don't much about either one.

Okay, I didn't want to do this! ;)

Here's the definition of 'hack,' from the Jargon file... it's available at http://www.outpost9.com/, one link in or so. Anyhow, this is what the word 'hack' means:

hack

1. /n./ Originally, a quick job that produces what is needed, but not well. 2. /n./ An incredibly good, and perhaps very time-consuming, piece of work that produces exactly what is needed. 3. /vt./ To bear emotionally or physically. "I can't hack this heat!" 4. /vt./ To work on something (typically a program). In an immediate sense: "What are you doing?" "I'm hacking TECO." In a general (time-extended) sense: "What do you do around here?" "I hack TECO." More generally, "I hack `foo"' is roughly equivalent to "`foo' is my major interest (or project)". "I hack solid-state physics." See Hacking X for Y. 5. /vt./ To pull a prank on. See sense 2 and hacker (sense 5). 6. /vi./ To interact with a computer in a playful and exploratory rather than goal-directed way. "Whatcha up to?" "Oh, just hacking." 7. /n./ Short for hacker. 8. See nethack. 9. [MIT] /v./ To explore the basements, roof ledges, and steam tunnels of a large, institutional building, to the dismay of Physical Plant workers and (since this is usually performed at educational institutions) the Campus Police. This activity has been found to be eerily similar to playing adventure games such as Dungeons and Dragons and Zork. See also vadding.

Constructions on this term abound. They include `happy hacking' (a farewell), `how's hacking?' (a friendly greeting among hackers) and `hack, hack' (a fairly content-free but friendly comment, often used as a temporary farewell). For more on this totipotent term see " The Meaning of `Hack'". See also neat hack, real hack.

I like the definition, maybe not concise but accurate. As far as overall image goes, I will say that ticalc.org looks rather more clean and professional as a site, and does seem to have everything I need for my 85 and 92+.....
Maybe it's not such a big deal WHAT he did, but the fact that he did it. After all, if a burglar with a loaded assault shotgun breaks into your house and forces you up into your room at gunpoint, then pockets some small change (a couple bucks) and a few forks and leaves, he will still be prosecuted for breaking and entering, regardless of his actions afterward.
Enough of that.
About that definition again.
Let's see something like nethack ported to an 85 or 92/92+? *l*
--Piloter (always getting his $.02 in)

This discussion's pointless..
IT'S NO BIG DEAL DANGIT

This is the funniest thing I have ever heard! Its seems to me that its TI-Files fault for not deleting the old accounts. Either way though, TI-Files is just a cheap ripoff of ticalc.

correct! ti-files's biggest mistake is that they talk shit about members and fire them BEFORE they take away ftp access and not AFTER. You gotta expect that they'll be kinda pissed...