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AMS 2.08 Released
Posted by Eric on 19 August 2002, 07:10 GMT

TI has recently released AMS 2.08 for the TI-89 and the Voyage 200. The new version includes added features such as more trig commands and a novel idea TI is referring to as "clack functionality" (yes, kiddos, I believe that should be "clock"). Anyway, give it a try.

On another note, I've decided to officially retire from ticalc.org, due to massive workloads and such. It's been interesting, but three years is about long enough, anyway. We're currently in the process of deciding how to proceed, so please don't flood our mailboxes volunteering your help just yet, thanks.

Update (Eric): Ok, it appears that TI has recalled AMS 2.08 due to errors with the Black Graph Link cable and TI-Connect.

 


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Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Jesse Puckett  Account Info

Second Post. AMS 2.08 sounds nice. Ti-86's need Flash

     19 August 2002, 08:00 GMT


Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
ac

Agree but not the 2nd post!

     20 August 2002, 18:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Jesse Puckett  Account Info

Ummm, actually it was the second post. Look at the time stamps.

     21 August 2002, 06:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
ac

Sure, it was 2nd post. But don't put "SECOND POST" in your commants. Thank you for your cooperation (list flames below :)

     21 August 2002, 21:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Jesse Puckett  Account Info

Fine, I'll leave it out of my "commants". Just as soon as you learn to spell.

     23 August 2002, 18:36 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
jtjdt  Account Info
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It still is the second post, only IDIOTS judge the post's position by it's location on the board.

(As mine is the first post)

     24 August 2002, 01:16 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
jtjdt  Account Info
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There is a way to keep your posts at the top so idiots like AC(who can't spell)(& who dosen't even have a profile) don't have to think much.

Reply to your comment after you write something.

     24 August 2002, 01:19 GMT


Re: AMS 2.08 Released
David  Account Info
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See my url

     5 September 2002, 02:20 GMT

Re: AMS 2.08 Released
TI83andTI89Owner Account Info
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I want the clock. :( I'm HW1.
I was going to ask to see if I could send it in and have it replaced with a HW2. As with all calculator decisions in my life, this is a serious matter and I must open it up for debate. Is it or is it not worth it to go from HW1 to HW2?

     19 August 2002, 08:20 GMT

Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
<h3m04v+0+r0ph  Account Info
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It would'nt do any good if you upgraded anyway. The calcs that were originally HW1 do not have the crystal in them to run the clock. I don't think it's worth going out and buying a new one though, the icon desktop is completely stupid. I just have it on because (except for a program I wrote) it is the only way to check the time without entering TI-BASIC commands.

     19 August 2002, 15:42 GMT

Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
TI83andTI89Owner Account Info
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You misunderstood. I was going to send in my HW1 to TI and they would send me back a HW2 to replace it, for free.

     20 August 2002, 00:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
jtjdt  Account Info
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First of all the clock is not worth trading your HW1 for.

     20 August 2002, 04:19 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Joe Blow  Account Info

wouldn't it be worth it just for the sake of having hw2 instead of hw1?...if it's free...

I have hw2 so I don't know much about hw1...they will just give you hw2 for free? how does that work?

     20 August 2002, 07:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
<h3m04v+0+r0ph  Account Info
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You can send them in for FREE? Cool!

     20 August 2002, 16:58 GMT


Re: AMS 2.08 Released
David  Account Info
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Wait a minute, has anyone verified this? Don't just expect TI to go swap your old used calc for a new one just because they updated it. Does anyone know if they offer a means of upgrading that doesn't involve buying a new calc?

If you really want a clock badly enough to buy a new calculator, then I recomend you invest in a watch. You'll be able to use that almost anywhere.

     5 September 2002, 02:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Cyberdemon_Lord  Account Info

So that's why the clock doesn't work! Is there any possible way to get the clock to work on HW1, or is it just an feature that can't be used?

     21 August 2002, 20:14 GMT


Re: AMS 2.08 Released
David  Account Info
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See link.

If the AMS software needs that quartz crystal and the hardware doesn't have it...

     5 September 2002, 02:33 GMT


Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
TI83andTI89Owner Account Info
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They told me no, anyway. I suppose I could live without it.

     20 August 2002, 04:12 GMT

Re: AMS 2.08 Released
phelign

The clock isn't worth a flip. I set it last night and at 1:00 p.m. the next day it was saying 10:53 a.m. -

the icon menu is inefficient in terms of movement -

There is less flash memory available

There are compatibility issues - though not as big as 2.00 vs. 1.00 - frankly -

i downgraded back to 2.05 - it's really not worth it for what you get:
trig functions that you could make yourself in .3 seconds.


:)

louis

     19 August 2002, 12:10 GMT

Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Sean Barnes  Account Info
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I set the clock a couple days ago and it's keeping time just fine (on a HW2 TI-92+).

-Sean

     19 August 2002, 13:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Joe Blow  Account Info

maybe his batteries are low

     19 August 2002, 17:16 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
jtjdt  Account Info
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Where can I download AMS 2.05? I want to have it before I Install 2.08.

     19 August 2002, 18:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
<h3m04v+0+r0ph  Account Info
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Download the TI-89 version at the above link.

     19 August 2002, 19:53 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
jtjdt  Account Info
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Thanks!

     19 August 2002, 19:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
joelt  Account Info
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Watch it dude. TI be comming at your door, telling you to stop distributing it (check the above link).

     19 August 2002, 20:33 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
lord_nightrose Account Info
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not really... they gave it away for free, giving us license to do so... so he isn't breaking contract or whatever

     19 August 2002, 22:31 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
lord_nightrose Account Info
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besides, it's not a ROM image, it's an OS update. (...)

     19 August 2002, 22:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
joelt  Account Info
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Yeah, well, Ti did the same thing to me with the "AMS Updates" and that is how I got that letter. Olle Hedman got the same one (click link).

     21 August 2002, 20:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
<h3m04v+0+r0ph  Account Info
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Well, it's not "officially" available from my site. The only way of getting to it is typing the address into the explorer bar, or clicking on the link above. I just have to hope TI doesn;t constantly look at these discussion boards.

     19 August 2002, 22:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Samir Ribic  Account Info
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However, after you published URL, Google robot will find link to your page in a 15 days.

     26 August 2002, 09:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Michael Vincent  Account Info
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Batteries don't affect the clock speed.

     20 August 2002, 00:02 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
dietsche Account Info
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in all likely hood, his problem is not batteries, as Michael has said. The problem is that he probabbly played a game that disabled AI3, and the clock requires that AI3 NOT be disabled if it is to work correctly.

     20 August 2002, 02:19 GMT

u r the infamous gregg . . .
phelign
(Web Page)

I LOVE ASH. THANK YOU FOR ASH.

I suppose in reply to this - what good is a ti-89 if you can't play ASM games :-P

even though the ASM programs on my calculator which i use are mostly chemistry and periodic table.

I want a new AMS - this one is too big and clunky . . .
(ex: TISS vs. CellSheet , Kirk Meyer's 3d grapher vs. TI's 3d grapher)

     20 August 2002, 03:00 GMT


Re: u r the infamous gregg . . .
dietsche Account Info
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you're very welcome!

please understand that ASH (and all of my other tsr's) will not (or at least should not) work correctly on AMS 2.08. I am working on getting version 1.0 of ASH ready, and that version will support all known ams versions.

-Greg

     20 August 2002, 07:51 GMT


Re: Re: u r the infamous gregg . . .
phelign

:) etc.

     24 August 2002, 23:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
mathwiz  Account Info
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oddity: It seems that although the AMS works fine and is recognized , the clock function doesn't work on VTI... Not a big problem since you probably won't need your virtual calculator telling you the time when your taskbar does this just as well, but I just thought I'd point it out...

/\/\][|<

     21 August 2002, 01:14 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
slimey_limey  Account Info

How about for testing programs that are dependant on the clack?

     21 August 2002, 02:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
mathwiz  Account Info
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Well, if the clack is disabled, then I suppose that any program that tries to use a clack function would return the same value as it would on any real calculator where the clack was disabled ;)

     27 August 2002, 05:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
joelt  Account Info
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That's because of two reasons, both b/c of bugs in VTI. One is that VTI doesn't emulate HW2, even though it says so in the about screen. The other one is that it doesn't emulate AI3, which is necessary for the "clack functionality".

     21 August 2002, 21:00 GMT

Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
lord_nightrose Account Info
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I think the reason that there is less flash memory is because they added the new stuff... apps desktop, clock, clock BASIC commands... this means more permanent storage used and more tokens to add for programming...

the apps desktop is pretty much useless. Unless you like organizing the built-in TI apps like the Y= Editor and Graph screen, there is no purpose for it. Maybe if they (or one of us) made it so we can use it to organize *our* programs, I'd feel like I hadn't wasted half an hour downloading the OS and restoring my backup.

     19 August 2002, 17:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
S67  Account Info
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Well, if TI-connect is any indication, TI's programmers are getting worse, and moving in the direction of Real's programmers. The clock is a nice feature, but I am amazed it took them 2 years to use it.

     19 August 2002, 18:06 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
lord_nightrose Account Info
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interesting that you should mention that... I opened up RealOne and TI Connect at the same time by chance yesterday and noticed that the two look disgustingly similar.

     19 August 2002, 22:30 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
PolarDPres Account Info
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Ti is trying too hard to compete with the PDA market, which is not the market all of its calculators are in. I use my Visor and Newton for some stuff and my Ti-83+ and Ti-92+ for completely different things. If they make them to PDA like, and don't drop the prices soon, they will lose ground. My Visor has a graphing calculator on it, so if my ti is pissy, I use my visor. Ti needs to relize what market it is selling to. Not the PDA market, the student calculator market. If we really want a PDA, we will just go buy a palm too. The new keyboard and the desktop icons, are a step in the wrong direction for Ti. Start packing more math features in rather than interface goodies, because ti, quite frankly you shouldn't put yourself in a position of competion with Palm. You will lose, hands down. So drop prices add more math features, and figure out why we buy these calculaotrs from you. Not to organize, but to solve math.

     20 August 2002, 06:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
rgdtad  Account Info

Go Newton! The 2100 is still the most powerful PDA on the market.

Back on topic, chances are they don't care much about their calculator sales. Less than 2% sounds like a reasonable estimate for their calculator profits compared to their DSP profits, not to mention everything else they do. Now, since HP is no longer making calculators, TI is free to do whatever it pleases with us, because there is no other place to turn. I know that Sharp and Cassio still make graphers, but, to be frank, they are the least capable ones that I have seen.

What TI might be doing is testing the market for a new device with all sorts of new features (like the HP Xpander), but that is unlikely. It is always cheaper to not upgrade existing products that it is to make new ones. This is the reason that TI will not make an 86+. TI is probably testing the market to see what features they can cut in the next HW version.

As for that religion discussion, I am also Mormon.

     20 August 2002, 14:54 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
PolarDPres Account Info
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More Mormons. AHHHH!!
No not really, I have no problem with mormons.
Long live the Newton, I still use my MP2000, which is upgraded to a 2100, and I will never get rid of it. My dad gave it to me when he got his first Visor, which I also have now. I didn't think anybody on this website use a Newton besides me!
They should have a pole on what type of PDA everybody uses, and not include the calcs in it, because it would be 80% ti-83 and .00001% palm.

     20 August 2002, 16:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
S67  Account Info
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Sony NR-70 all the way!!!
BTW, I use the NR-70 and a wireless keyboard instead of a laptop. Far better than a ti-92+ or V200.

     20 August 2002, 19:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
PolarDPres Account Info
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I use my Newton and its handwriting recognition, its the best recognition ever! It is faster than typing, and I type fast. The sony stuff is good, but Apple Newton. My newton still hasn't replaced my powerbook yet thought. Can't wait to get a new iBook!

     20 August 2002, 21:08 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
<h3m04v+0+r0ph  Account Info
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Newtons rock! I just need to buy one now! Know where I can get one for < $50 ? (don't say eBay). Newtons are the only computer Apple made after 1990 that's worth anything. (i.e. Macs suck, Apple //e rock.)

     20 August 2002, 21:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
PolarDPres Account Info
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While I don't agree with the whole Macs suck after 90 thing, good luck finding a newton for less than fifty dollars. You may find an MP or MP100 for less than fifty, but don't buy it, they are soooooooooooo slow. I recommned a MP130 or better. You may find an MP130 for less than fifty, I bought mine for 70 with a keyboard and modem. I then sold it and bought my MP2100 for 150 bucks. Do you own a Mac Plus? just wondering

     20 August 2002, 22:28 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
RCTParRoThEaD_  Account Info
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heh...cASSio

     21 August 2002, 00:13 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Luke  Account Info
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HAHA, I gave up on TI a long time ago! whenever I want to do math now I pull out my IBM T30 laptop and fire up MATLAB... it's the best math solving thing I have seen in my life. Beats ALL of the TI products, and all other math programs. True I can't put my laptop in my pocket but so what, I'm not a wimp that can't carry around a 5 lb piece of equipment from time to time.

     2 September 2002, 21:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
serebii12  Account Info

Now, TI is coming out with an organizar for the 89 and voyage 2000

     13 September 2002, 06:25 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
ac

I agree. The TI-keyboard will be c00l! but I again, why does it take TI years to think of the things? And why when they come out, are they worse than things we have already written?
Just my 2 cents.

     21 August 2002, 21:57 GMT

Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
Aaron Fineman  Account Info

The key repeat seems to work on the Voyage 200.
(You can scroll through the Link/Vars menu by just holding the down key)

     20 August 2002, 19:17 GMT


Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
slimey_limey  Account Info

You should email your complaints to
ti-cares@ti.com
I told them that they needed to change many of the messages in the OS (that's XR strings for some of us), and they did in 2.08. Mainly in the catalog help for some of the regressions, as well as the f3 menu in Var-Link. Oh well, at least we have SOME influence.

     21 August 2002, 02:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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We have some influence, eh? What if we all e-mailed them about a TI-86+? Do you think that would make TI come out with one? That'd be cool if they did ... I'd be the first to buy it! (Well, not really because I'd have to convince my parents to take me to the store, but you get my point)

     21 August 2002, 20:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: AMS 2.08 Released
ac

Lets all E-Mail them! I want an 86 flash too! With at least 1 Mg memory.

     21 August 2002, 21:59 GMT

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