TI is definately over-reacting. if THEY made the cd, and they accidently put innappropriate material on it, they would have just taken the material out of the next cd release. in this case, they can blame someone else, so they are 'allowed' to over-react. they are spending WAY too much money to recall these cd's. (newspaper ads, recalling stuff ALREADY at retail stores, and ALREADY freeking sold)... it would have been much better to the TI "name" to just keep it (the inappropriate material) a secret. now EVERYONE knows about it, and are going to look for it. (from what i hear, there is some in the 86 section of the CD) ticalc.org shouldn't close their archives, there are NO guarentees on this site that say there isn't any material, there are warnings that they are all user-made programs.

Why does ticalc.org cares so much about TI's problem? Afterall it's ticalc's archives and TI needed them. I'm sure most of ticalc.org visitors would like to have all files.

Amen! Were all adults here, right? (Ok, we're not, but we still want the good stuff. Am I right or am I right?)

Death to ESRB!

I don't have a problem with the ESRB, because I am allowed to get any game that is "appropriate," which is fairly broad range in my parent's eyes. Some of my favorite games are rated M, but they don't have a problem with what is in them. The ESRB does, however, pose some problems for software retailers who want to have age restrictions for a "family friendly store," but cannot compete with other stores that allow customers of any age to purchace games. The exception to all of this would be the Adult rating, which no store (I've ever heard of) or rental place ever carries. I wouldn't even know if such games are made...

Me too, but it's just gay that you have to be 18 or older to play Quake and such. If you're under 18 you'd have to play Rayman and kids crap like that.

Um, 'adults' are not people who enjoy 'adult' content. I happen to enjoy fun games like tetris, but I avoid games such as drugwars. I am very devout in my Christian faith, which expressively forbids such stuff, because it offends God. If you consider this freedom of speech, freedom must be limited soas not to enroach on other people's freedoms (absolute freedom = no freedom). There may be a lot of people who like games such as pimp quest, or adventures of inbred ted, but these games should (first choice) never be created in the first place, or (second choice) be put on some remote website the public never visits.

Would you care to explain how it affects God? You're right about freedon however, it's not absolute, but you were the one who downloaded the game!

So you think that the games shouldn't be mabe because it is offensive to your religion? I feel that censorship based on religion is very wrong.

You can get out of the military if you say it's against your religion. Why can't you censor something that's against your religion?

Of course, you do have to prove it first...

What I would say here is that I almost aggree with you. I do not have a problem with such programs being on ticalc.org. I would never use them, but if someone wants them, they can find them by *voluntarilly* searching for them.
For such things to be published with a calc or in a "fun pack" is simply not appropriate. Not everyont buying a calc with a "fun pack" is looking for porn, and pimp/drug warz. And many might be offended by it.

You don't buy the DISC, it's bundled with calc accessories for free!

Finally, another devout Christian. I thought we were a dying race...

Hold up, there are A LOT of Christians in this world (Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Protestants, Lutherens, Non-Denominational Christians, etc.), and just becasue they don't shout out "I'm Christian" dosen't mean their devout. Different people find different ways to be spiritual, and I think most people try to live moral lives. This would surely classify as devout on my list. I feel that I am a devout Roman Catholic, but I have never made any postings or disagreed with people because of religion. Personally, I feel that people should be themselves, I'll like 'em all the same.

I would like to clarify my above comment.

My intent for posting this comment was:

1)Get involoved in the discussion. I wanted to somehow comment on it without being redundant. So, I found a post I agree with (I agree that the archives should be re-opened, and possibly filtered while remaning open), and responded to it.
2) To be funny. I felt that my comment was, if not LOL funny, would at least be amusing to the general public.

The message I intended in this comment was:
1) That I agree that the archives should be re-opened. The post did not make it clear, but I also believe that the archives should be filtered based on the Ticalc.org upload policy.
2) In the post above mine, the statement "I'm sure most of ticalc.org visitors would like to have all files" was included. Note that it said "all the files", not "the inappropriate files." When I stated that I agree with this statement, I agree that we should be able to acess all of the files, not specifically the "inappropriate ones."
3) The term adult was used in reference to they saying "We're all adults here, right?" I certainly do not believe that the word adult soley relates to, er, the kind of material that says "over 18 only" on it (so to speak). Nor do I think that all adults enjoy such content. Obviouly, some do. Some don't, but thats not the point. What I meant by adult was that we all have the ability to choose what we want to see and what we don't. We can choose from right and wrong, moral and immoral, and between XXX and clean materials online. Anyone that goes online without supervision should be able to make such a discrimination, becasue if you don't find adult materialon Ticalc, you'll certainly find it somewhere else! Filtering software cannot even entirely prevent this. It's a fact of the Internet and a fact of life.
4)In reference to "the good stuf

Oops! That one was an error! Hey Ticalc, if your out there, get rid of this one. Thanx.

I doubt ticalc ever reads forums.

Yeah. But how embarrassing, a double post of a HUGE comment. Oh well...

I would like to clarify my above comment.

My intent for posting this comment was:

1)Get involved in the discussion. I wanted to somehow comment on it without being redundant. So, I found a post I agree with (I agree that the archives should be re-opened, and possibly filtered while remaining open), and responded to it.
2) To be funny. I felt that my comment was, if not LOL funny, would at least be amusing to the general public.

The message I intended in this comment was:

1) That I agree that the archives should be re-opened. The post did not make it clear, but I also believe that the archives should be filtered based on the Ticalc.org upload policy.
2) In the post above mine, the statement "I'm sure most of ticalc.org visitors would like to have all files" was included. Note that it said "all the files," not "the inappropriate files." When I stated that I agree with this statement, I agree that we should be able to access all of the files, not specifically the "inappropriate ones."
3) The term adult was used in reference to they saying "We're all adults here, right?" I certainly do not believe that the word adult solely relates to, er..., the kind of material that says "over 18 only" on it (so to speak). Nor do I think that all adults enjoy such content. Obviously, some do. Some don't, but that's not the point. What I meant by adult was that we all have the ability to choose what we want to see and what we don't. We can choose from right and wrong, moral and immoral, and between XXX and clean materials online. Anyone that goes online without supervision should be able to make such a discrimination, because if you don't find adult material Ticalc, you'll certainly find it somewhere else! Filtering software cannot even entirely prevent this. It's a fact of the Internet and a fact of life.
4)In reference to "the good stuff," I mean whatever you like on this website, not explicit materials. In your case, this would be tetris. I myself am a huge tetris fan.
5)The term amen was not used in a way intended to offend anyone who is religious. The word itself is latin for "I believe," and is not necessarily a religious term. I is basically what you say when you agree or believe in a statement that has been made.
6)Finally, I do disagree on your idea that all offensive content should never exist on the Internet. I feel that the Internet is good because it is free. If someone wants to put XXX content online, go for it! If someone wants to put Christian or Catholic material online, more power to you. What would be bad is if someone who is anti-XXX came in and shut all of this stuff down, or someone who is anti-Christian shut all of that stuff down. The Internet if free, be glad that you can put down all of your views freely where the whole world has access to them!

To conclude, I would like to apologize to Ticalc for such a long post, but I felt it was necessary. To you Kevtiva1, feel free to e-mail me with a response. I hope that this post cleared a few things up. I am almost totally agreeing with you about the concept of being an adult and adult content. I only disagree that the Internet should be free to everyone.

-Stech85

Few pictures of nude women should not be offensive. They are nude pictures in every dayly newspaper, not mentioning sexy magazines available anywhere. Finally, learning biology without mentioning penis or vagina is like learning to drive without learning how to drive a car during night.

Drugs and violence are topic of computer games since beginning. However, the arguments that TICALC software support such things are stupid. I do not think that someone posted here program for cocain dosing.

I think that stupid copyright is problematic too. Names like Pacman, Tetris, Zelda, Mario, Internet Explorer etc, are registered trademarks.

There are also political problems. USA is currently histeric country. Publishing CDs with software written from different countries, is dangerous when it is proven that TIOS flash ROM is changable. TI, the main US Army electronic circuits supplier can lose credibility if occured malfunction in it's devices. TI89 with highest precission mathematic of all commercial calculators is a device usable in army.

Ok, I mainly agree, but I have never seen porn while browsing the archives. Drugwars probably had something to do with it. However, I do not think it had to do with copyrights. Do you think Nintendo cares about some flunky 1-way scrolling not at all like mario game? No, instead it focuses on GC (yea!), GBA, and defeating evil people who emulate N64 games (boo). However, proper care should have been taken when choosing files for the CD. I just found out about it today, and when I stopped by Best Buy, they had a Ti Connectivity Pack (or whatever) off the shelves. I think TI will eventually work out things with ticalc in the long run.

I also don't expect copyright to be a problem. We don't make money out of those productions of which part would otherwise belong to them. Theoretically it's a problem, but since they won't be gaining anything when they sue us, they'll leave us alone.

Ya, and we don't distribute actual games made by Nintendo. So, WTFing problem?

Ummm... what "dayly" newspaper exactly do you read?

~SjD

That's what I was wondering.

me too :) lol

Ummm... what "dayly" newspaper exactly do you read, where is it sold, and for how much?

~SjD

In Bosnia :). It is called "Dnevni avaz". The story about this newspaper is interesting. It was found by conservative proislamic politic party, in the time when many bosnian girls started to cover faces and hair, just like in arabic countries.

After the war the situation country changed. When it was realised that the whole power in is in hand of the foreign supervisor, and when this party was not well evaluated by him, the newspaper started to criticise the party too. The party had losed the power, our girls no longer cover hair, and every weekly TV program in "Dnevni avaz" now has small pictures of nude and bikini girls.

Hehehe, I knew it.

Off the topic, it's interesting why this newspaper gained such a popularity.
I still think "Dnevni Avaz" ("Daily Voice" in translation) is the stupidest newspaper existing in Bosnia.
They are making sensations out of nothing and their objectivity is zero.
It's shame that an affirmed and great newspaper "Oslobodjenje" looses readers because of this toilet paper.
But maybe that's just me...

Contrary to popular belief, many countries are not nearly as uptight as the US. Many people from US would be surprised by the normal broadcast television in Europe or Japan. I've seen similiar newspapers as to the ones he is describing from Russia. If you visit a Russian store (there are several here in Phoenix), you might find them. It's interesting to see how other cultures view things. Nudity is not shunned like it is here in the US.

It is always the same people who say we should be open-minded who will call someone uptight who does not agree with them.
And I'll say it again, it is not appropriate for the entire audience of these CD (whose existence is TI's responsibility, not ticalc.org's). And it is not just nudity, there are some things that would go beyond nudity in here. (Pimp warz anyone?)
And the reason something was created is important. If something is there just so you can get yourself off, it's porn. Not "nudity," "art," or anything else.

Perhaps "uptight" was the wrong term to use in that context. Being open minded is one thing. Shunning others because they believe differently than you is another. This practice seems to be very common for religious people, and I think it is a very large reason why many people are turned off by religion. I never said anything in my post about the CD being appropriate for all audiences. I was pointing out that certain things like newspapers are different in other countries, which surprises many people from the US.

I dont think a lot of these pictures have much to do with learning biology. The spirit and context in which something is created has a lot to do with its appropriatness.

I'm guessing you aren't in America, seeing how you said there are nude pictures in the daily newspaper. There aren't any here - it's illegal.

I highly doubt that the US army would use a TI89 over a computer. The army has many computers that are much more powerful than anything available to the general public.