Excuse me for saying, but I have had a metallic calculator for about three months. I bought an HP49g+ in November.

The HP49g+ has 142KB more available RAM, an SD card slot (Imagine a 64MB calculator for < $200. An HP49g+ ($150) and an 64MB SD card ($35) cost $185 total.), and a faster processor. It even has built-in sound capabilities. It has a USB port too, usable in Linux using the generic USB-serial driver. I don't know how the new TI-89 Titanium or the TI-84+ will support Linux.

The only things that TI has over HP are the kickstand slidecase and the Flash ROM (but the HP has an SD slot).

I do have a question: Why is the 84 called "Plus Silver Edition"? There's never been an 84 "normal edition"!

-MrM

Umm, there is the 84+ and the 84+ SE. Two new releases. Not one.

-W-

He's saying that The TI-84+SE sould be the normal TI-84+. The TI-84+ really isn't all that good compared to the 83+SE.

Actually I think he's saying instead of 84+ and 84+SE, it should be 84 and 84+

And Ray Kremer is saying that they should forget about the 84+ and call the 84+SE the 84.

is doesnt matter this is ticalc.org not hpcalc.org
u cant talk about hp here
of course im typing this on an hp keyboard looking at an hp monitor attatched to an hp computer and printer...but my mouse is logitech ;)

It does matter-the HP49G+ (whatever it's called) seems to be the best graphing calc there is!!!!

Well, I'm using an eMachines computer, eMachines keyboard, Sylvania monitor, Logitech mouse, Motorola cable modem, Netgear firewall, Labtech speakers, Lexmark printer. And TI calculator. :D

The sad thing is that your comp. probably whoops my Dell Dimension XPS T500 (from ad 1999), with Trinitron monitor, Harmon/Kardon spkrs, Dell keybd., Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (a reeeeeally stupid name) and HP Deskjet 5650 printer.
The only thing I'd keep from this comp. is the monitor, as it kixxorz butt.

I'm writing this on an Apple computer with an Apple keyboard and an Apple mouse, and Apple speakers, and and HP printer (only because Apple doesn't make printers anymore, and it was free). I also have two USB Silverlinks, and a noname USB hub that I liberated from my parent's PCs when they didn't need it anymore.

It's because the TI-84+ is most similar to the TI-83+ and the TI-84+SE is most similar to the TI-83+SE. Naming it otherwise would get confusing. Plus, the TI-83 has no flash ROM, so it would be pointless to make a TI-84.

Apparently they don't want to be flooded once again with "Will there be a TI-84+?" type questions the way they were with "Will there be a TI-89+?" (they even added that one to the FAQ).

TI has something far more important over HP: a huge user community. If you wanna check, compare this site to hpcalc.org.
So the HP have more built-in functionality? Well, the TI has most of that, and a lot more, added by the users.

but the HP hardware is alot better. I'm very disappointed in TI, I wanted a better CPU. The 49 has a 75 mhz processor!

But my ti89 has better games, so i'm happy

I also hear that batteries die really fast on HP calcs. My friend has an 86 and plays tetris on it all the time and his batteries have been going for well over 6 months straight.

that was on the early ROM revision. The later ROM fixes that problem

My batteries last about a month and a half. But, with a 75MHz processor, you should expect that.

Has one of the developers of the TI-89 _E_V_E_E_R_ posted on a public message board. HP-49g+ developers regularly read comp.sys.hp48 and help users.

Well they don't have as many people to help as TI. Maybe all of TI's people are answering calls to 1 800 TI CARES or answering their emails. TI also has their own discussion board on their website to help people and I know TI employees have been on there.

Or maybe HP users actually know what they're doing and don't have to bug customer service for help. TI does have a bigger group of younger people who don't wan't to read ANYTHING on how to use their calculator...

Why don't I see any of them? The only person there that resembles a TI employee is Ray Kremer, and I don't think he is.

Actually, yes, I've seen many posts from the authors of 89 programs about bugs, etc....

I think he means the developers of the calc itself, the people at HP and TI that designed the hardware and coded the OS.