Release an 86+ !!! Flash rom + an 86 would be quite great. Alright, for ease of use, have the original hardecore 86 GUI and the lamer 83shell switchable. My 89 is good enough for me, I would rather make one of those expansion things for games than give TI even more of my sparse money. They have no new functions, oh yeah, a clock. Well, time to stop ranting about these useless offshoots of capitalism. Not to say that the original calculators were not great, nor that flash memory is TOO borgoise, but this seems to go too far.

I second the 86+!

I remember like a year ago (maybe more), when I was actually a semi-active poster, there were a few big discussions on the lack of upgrades to the 86, as opposed to the 83+ and 83+SE, and it looks like the trend is back with the 84s and 89ti.

I would third the 86+ motion if I didn't know it is completely futile as TI obviously has no interest in doing ANYTHING AT ALL to the 86s.

I HATE how TI just ignores the 86, one of their best calcs, and makes all the upgrades to the junky (comparatively) 83s instead-they don't give out as much programming info, they make it harder to find on their website than the models with flash, etc. >:O

It's like TI is trying to kill the king of Z80 by outnumbering it with thousands of men (the 82 series just keeps _byting_ away at the 86), but there seems to be no reason why. As has been said, the 86 menus are NOT rocket science. Basically everybody can understand them, if they can understand the 83 (that being said, most of the people I know don't understand the 83). Except for things like the clock and mac look -That may be a linux look, but you get the idea- of the 68Ks, the 86 I think has more features built into the OS, like the poly equ and simaltaneous equ solver, and could be marketed very well, with FLASH abilities.

It's not that they can't UNDERSTAND them, it's just that they're inconvenient...only 4-5 letters shown, and if you accidentally scroll past the one you want, you have to go ALL the way through who knows how many to get back to it. I'm NOT saying I like the 83 series menus better, but I WILL say I like the 89s better.

Uh... what do you mean, 'go all the way back'? 86 series menus are a maximum of 3 pages. [sarcasm] OH, NO! I HAVE TO PRESS 'MORE' TWICE INSTEAD OF ONCE! THE WORLD WILL END! NOOOO!

No, they aren't limited to 3 pages (in BASIC they are, though). Look at Graph->DRAW, for example. It has four pages. (OH NO!)

That's all I wanted to point out. I really like the 86 menus better too, so I'm not arguing with you on that.

People generally go for the TI 82 and 83 series because of price, and the TI-89/92/V200 for usability, and features. Since the 86 is in between, few people buy it. Few people buy it, TI doesn't upgrade it as much. Et cetera, et cetera.

One of the reasons they don't is probably the amount of RAM: the TI-86 is very slow because it has too much RAM for the Z80 to handle it, so the RAM is paged. This makes loading ANYTHING from RAM very slow. I tried running the same TI-BASIC program on a TI-85 and a TI-86 side by side, and the TI-86 was way slower (and the TI-85 isn't exactly the fastest TI calculator either, even trivial computations such as 2+3 take a few seconds). And apparently they don't want to release an "upgrade" with less RAM than the original. So they just discontinued the series.

Third!!!

I wonder if the new 84's will still have all that extra ram that the 83se has. At least they are finaly making use of the clock.

MWM

1-83SE doesnt have extra ram
2-the new 84 does not have a clock, it has a 15mhz 'clock speed'(processor)

>>2-the new 84 does not have a clock, it has a 15mhz 'clock speed'(processor)

What are you taking about?! It says right there, "Internal Clock with date and time display." Click the URL above for proof.

The TI-83 Plus Silver Edition has 128 KB of RAM. 32 KB is accessible, with 24 KB for the user.

Yes, there is an internal clock, as in one that keeps time.

No, the TI-83 Plus SE has 24k RAM and 1.5MB RAM. All accessible, not including the OS memory used.

No, it has 128 KB.

You can verify this for yourself with the port to control which page is swapped into the 8000-BFFFh address range, port 7. The SE RAM pages are 16 KB each, numbered 80h-87h. Normally 80h is in memory slot C000-FFFFh, and 81h in 8000-BFFFh.

aWhat's the file extenetion for the TI-84+ SE?

I mean, ".8xp" has already been used

It's fully compatible so there won't be any change of extension.

Wierd, considering they made a 'v2*' extension despite the fact that they're fully compatible.

Well, I'm just guessing. You may be correct.

Call it the ".84p". I mean, there's no such thing as the TI-84, just the 84 Plus, which leaves ".84p" open.

actually the "p" just means "program" .83p is a program for the 83 and .8xp is a program for the 83+

I know that. I meant, call it the ".84*". I just used "p" since he used ".8xp".

Kind of off topic, but does anyone know why Port 4 on the TI-86 can disable access to the ROM?

Trust Micheal V on this one; he knows what he is talking about.

MWM

LOL...I would never hold something I said over Michael about calcs...it's just something you don't do :-)

Yep, it's like holding something you say over Rusty Wagner on how VTI works.

It does have 128 KB RAM, trust Michael, he has made multiple programs that *use* that extra RAM.
Also, the Silver Edition has 2 MB of Flash, of which about 1.5 MB is available as archive and to store apps.