Wow, these are starting to look like the HP39/49/whatever in physical appearance. 480KB!!!!!! USB!!!!!!!! Nice....

They seem to be changing the look on the TI-89 titanium too, to more industrial, or something. I liked the 86, 83 and 73 case styles better. Oh well. :-(

I dunno... the old TI-89 look is nice. I like it. But the TI-89 Ti look isn't that bad. It doesn't look like the other calculators, though. However, I think the TI-84's [I typed 83 AGAIN- this will be hard to get used to] look is pretty cool. Maybe because it's shiny. And hey, they aren't Playskool colored this time ;-) (TI-73 Explorer)

::cough::V200::cough:: A.K.A. My First Calculator.

-W-

TI-82 is mine! :-D

TI-85's mine, but it was only until I got a TI-92 with a manual did I realize that both had programming capabilities.

Ugh. How COULD you say such a thing?!

My first calc ws a TI-83 my sister gave to me, after my parents promised me the TI-83 Plus SE. I normally use the 83 for linking program testing.

*Clearification!!!*

I menat "My First Calc" in that "Playskool" tpys often have that sort of name.

-Sorry for the confusion, I am W-

I know that. That's why I said, "Ugh. How COULD you say such a thing?! [about such an advanced calculator]"

You realize 480kb is less than the 83+SE. There's no more FlashROM than the 83+SE in the 84+SE. I'm probably not going to get this one because of that. And, my new 86 is better than the 83-based models.

Like hell it is, 86's are waaay to anal.

I don't see any problem except the fact they don't work with the USB link.

*hopes that we don't get into a pro/con TI-86 discussion*

Anyway... the TI-86's are way too different. Its ease-of-use is a lot lower than the rest of the models.

Maybe, but once you get over the NO FLASH and NO USB/TI CONNECT!!!! thing, then you realize that it comes built in (not an app) with poly equ solver and simaltaneuos equ solver, and requires less keys to put in functions embedded in menus repeatedly (eg if you want to make 5 transformations of a y=cube root(x) graph at the same time, you have to go to the math menu 5 times on an 83, but only once on an 86 b/c it stays on the screen), and that it really is a much better calculator, until you use the built-in crap on the 83+SE, which is really awesome.

The sole reason 86's are disliked is because they have no FLASH rom. The other reason is the menus...and not to put down everyone hear, put if you have a hard time figuring out a menus...you got problems...serious problems.

But you are right the 86 is a different calc and IMO it will alywas be better than any 83/84 although it could use a little more free memory.

It's kind if messed up...the people that diss on 86's are the people that have hardly any experience with them.

Morgan and I have fought about this countless times on AIM before. I can figure out the menus just fine, I just don't like them. What good is a menu if each choice can only have 4-5 characters? I like the lowercase and Greek symbols, though. I also like that my 86 has a backlight. (Thanks, MV.) The 83 is much easier to use, IMHO, and it's just about as powerful. Nothing can touch the 89, though. :-)

>> What good is a menu if each choice can only have 4-5 characters?

You can simply put a number in the menu and display the choices on the screen like the 83 series do. Or you can put the choices in the menu. Thus you have two options, one the same as the 83 has and one the 83 couldn't even concieve of doing.

Yes the 89 is definately better than the 86 I admit that.

Ummm... I have conciderable expirence with the 86, and it was the worst expirence that I have ever had with electronics, except for that time I was electrocuted.

-W-

I have a friend who was electricuted by a camera we were playing with. He got metal burnt into his finger (just a little bit, though... it came right out)

How did that happen?!?!?!?

Maybe they were trying to mahe a tazer out of a camera's flash.

A short circuit spark is hot enought to melt solder which I have burned onto my fingers myself. You get used to it after a while...

I agree with everything you said except the part about the 83+SE.

What's wrong with all the pre-packaged APPS on the SE? Or do you think I was wrong for calling them "crap"?

I thought it was a crock, frankly, that TI took assembly games made by the ticalc people and stripped the author's names, slightly changed the names of the programs, and put them in Flash for the Puzzle Pack. Granted those games were in the public domain, but they should have at least kept the author's names.

Umm dude... Look at PuzzPack, it says clearly "Detached Solutions".

And, although I'm not sure, I think all the games in PuzzPack were made by Detached Solutions, too. Which education.ti.com even gives a link to.

Yeah the last thing TI wants is copyright infringement or anything close. If you've ever read the entry rules to the TI App contest you can see they disqualify you if you rip someone off.

TI-Connect for Mac has 86 support (and 82, 85, and 81).

As an owner of calculators from the 83, 86, 89 series, I think that the 86 is a better platform. I know this is subjective and the 86 interface isnt easy to learn for average students and teachers. But 83, and now 84, is only better because TI chose to improve that and not the 86 series. So, in my opinion, the original 86 is much better than the 83.

Not that any of this really matters. The 3 new calc's look nice and should sell well.

In everything but the lack of flash, yes.

No, I didn't realize that. Don't misunderstand me-I prefer the 86 to the 83-series too in every way except the memory (actually, I prefer it to everything except the 68k calcs).