I think everyone is looking forward to Christmas '04!

Wow... This simply boggles the mind; that Ti-89 Titanium looks almost as good as the (fake) V400, and much, much better than any other calc out there.

Will the new Ti-89 technology AMS be bacwards compatable. Also, have any math features been added any competent programer couldn't easly add.

I think I just crapped my pants in excitement

Umm, why? There is no promise of a new AMS. Though I would be very excited.

-W-

It's still exciting!

Uh... Other than the USB link, this one's not much better than a Voyage 200. In fact, it's not better at all.

I think we should be thinking of porting Xpand to the TI-89 Titanium.

Here's what makes the new Ti-89TI 10x better than the V200...

"It's the most powerful TI graphing handheld allowed for use on the AP Calculus, AP Statistics, AP Physics, AP Chemistry, PSAT/NMSQT, SAT® I , SAT II Math IC & IIC exams."

... Unlike the V200, which is BANNED on most standardized tests.

true man, I´ve got a v200 and in most of my test my teachers dont let me use it but if I get out a ti89 they dont say a word!!

Well, that's because the teachers are stupid, and don't ban TI-89s. I mean, in terms of math capability, I cannot think of ONE way the V200 is better than a TI-89. I mean, why whould someone ban it? Because it looks like it's the kind of calculator cheaters use?! Ugh! *goes off in TI-92/V200 not allowed in tests rant*

It's because requirements for the SAT's and ACT's are that you can't have a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard. So the SAT/ACT regulations are good enough for them...

Okay, then. *goes off in how QWERTY keyboards are any different other than letting you type faster rant*

The reason they ban QWERTY keyboards is that they think it means its a computer.

A USB port means that u could theoretically use a Usb keyboard....which is in the "QWERTY" Format.

Well a calculator with a dvorak keyboard should be allowed. Right? We will petition TI for a Dvorak V200. ;)

I thought the 89Ti had no USB-that was just the 84+ and 84+SE. But the equivalence does make it as good, which it hasn't been up to now. It's also usable on tests and is portable. BTW, the 89 case is better designed than the V200 case, and the QC is better in the 89 assembly division (I found a loose-actually, detached-screw in mine when it first came).

I like the 92/92+ case the best in the way of gaming. It is those function keys that line the side og the case that do it for me. That is why I am glad that the 89 has come out, because I don't think the V200 would be too easy to game with; seeeing that you have to grip it unevenly.

-W-

WHO GIVES A @$%#^$#$ ABOUT GAMING ON YOUR *%^&#$@ CALCULATOR ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!

*still drooling*

This is really great... and everything is compatible too! *checking out TI site*

"everything is compatible too!"

Note the wise words of the famous Patrick Davidson, as spoken on #tcpa but a few minutes ago:

<PatrickD> never underestimate the ability of TI to develop unexpected compatibility issues

Even if it has some problems, compatibility between models is nice to have - I'm tired of not being able to run programs for my 86 on my 83+, etc.

Haha! You may have a point there... ;-)

Found at the end of TI's graphing calculator comparison chart.

"8 TI-83, TI-83 Plus and TI-83 Plus Silver Edition books are compatible with the TI-83 Plus family and the TI-84 Plus family of handhelds."

"9 TI-89, TI-92, and TI-92 Plus books are compatible with the TI-89, TI-89 Titanium, and Voyage™ 200."

"Web Page" takes you right to the document.

That's only about textbook instruction compatibility (note how it says "books"). It just means the interface is the same, it doesn't even promise TI-BASIC compatibility.

TI also sometimes mentions "program compatibility", but that's TI-BASIC only. Assembly programs are not guaranteed at all to be compatible. And sometimes it isn't even (entirely) TI's fault they aren't.

Now, judging from the product description, I don't see any reason why TI-89 assembly programs wouldn't run on the TI-89 Titanium, but that doesn't mean there isn't one that isn't in the product description. Possible problems include hardware changes (execution protection changes, screen hardware changes etc.), AMS version changes (breaking hacks used in assembly programs, particularly in older ones) and "unexpected changes" ;-) (as Patrick Davidson says, that's TI's speciality).

Well, since textbooks have an appendix of all the BASIC functions/instructions/ops and their descriptions.... yeah, I think that BASIC programs are compatible. I think it'll be just as compatible with the regular TI-89 as the V200 is compatible w/ the 92+.

Where is the comparison chart?

I don't mean to troll, but I would suggest that the HP-49G+ is the best calculator out there. It has a CAS, has a ton of memory, supports RPN, has a slot for Sandisk memory cards (!), and it's pretty pretty nice nice. Of course, there are hardly any games for it, and I'd prefer my 89 any day, but as a calculator, the 49G+ is better.

Oh yes, and the 75MHz processor. I think that with the Sandisk slot and the fast processor, one could make a Linux distro. If only I could get a huge amount of money to buy all these calculators... I need to win the lottery or something.

With 2.7 MB of flash, the TI-89 Titanium looks like it could easily run Linux. There are distros that fit onto a floppy and run on hardware *much* less capable than the original 89, even HW1.

Just because a linux distro will fit on a floppy when it is written in x86 does not mean that it will be the some size when cross-compiled for Motorola processor. But you might be able to fit it. Just don't think that the size on a floppy means that it will.

Well, i had in mind uClinux, which was designed for the Motorola Dragonball... essentially the M68000 with a serial I/O controller. So I/O stuff would have to be mangled in order to work.

Do you mean the Dragonball that's in the Sony Clie SJ-22? Cool! I'm already dual-booting with WinXP and Red Hat Linux 8, and could always try another distro.

ucLinux is for CPUs without an MMU. If your CPU runs Windows XP and Red Hat Linux, it DOES have an MMU, so ucLinux is not the right thing for you.

And besides, I think you are confusing something, because Dragonball CPUs are Motorola 68xxx family CPUs. Neither Windows XP nor Red Hat Linux support them.

With an SD card, the 49g+ could easily have 256 MB of memory. Including the 75 MHz processor, imagine what could be done with that.

And the HP 49g+ IS a nice calculator. I have one. :-)

If the OS was written by competent people, then yes.

You know, the TIOS isn't exactly written by competent people, either, if you put it that way....

The HP's operating system <b>WAS</b> written by competent people. You can't say the same for the TI's.

-MrM

I've used the HP-49G and I hated it not because of the hardware but because the OS was so sloppy that it couldn't take advantage of a 75 MHZ proc etc.

the 49g didn't have a 75mhz CPU - it had a 4 MHz saturn

You mean a Saturn DSP?????

Don't forget the built-in USB port and touchscreen!

The only calculator that I have with a touch screen is the Sharp EL-9600. it is a piece of junk, though.

The CalcPAD has a touchscreen, though - see
calcpad.org

I don't think that site exists at the moment.

Casio has recently released its Classpad 300 with touchscreen, thus no keyboard. I wonder how you can program with a virtual keyboard.... but it's a casio...

ClassPad 300 was released a LONG time ago, I saw that comparison about a year ago. And it DOES have a simple keyboard, with 0~9, ops, and an on/off button, but not much else.

Think about it...a USB port...hmmm...A USB Keyboard...cool...I dont know about the touchscreen though.

The HP-49g+ is _T_H_E_ most powerful calculator for professionals and higher level students. The CAS has an implementation of the RISCH algorithm, which much more powerful than the Derive based, table look up system in the TI-89. Also, will the TI-89 calculate 999^999 exactly. Finally, The HP-49g+ has near infinite memory with the built in SD card slot.

That thing's almost a PDA-why's everyone getting so excited about the TI-89 titanium when they could get one of these?

Because the 89 is the most powerful of the TI & calcs with games. The HP49g+ does not have that many. Not many at all.

-W-

Just because there aren't a lot of games for it doesn't mean it's a bad calculator. There aren't many high school students that go buy one just to make games.

Right... that was my point. The 49G+ is a much better calculator math-wise, but I'd prefer my 89 any day because I care about the games.

My reason for wanting the 89Ti is that I like to PROGRAM. Although RPN programming on my HP-49g (not +) has really brought me into a new light (that sounded cheesy).

You can use a basic like langague on the $( in algerbraic mode. Regardless of the mode, the 49 tokenizes all programs and run around the any TI (including the silver edition) with their speed.

The whole reason i got my 83+ was to basic program. Now I want the 84+ because im flush out of memmory, and some new commands would be cool. I dont have a clue how to program in ASM.

*84+ Silver edition*

As stated before, you'll never make a better joke than trying to use a PDA on the SAT.

Now, I know this may sound really stupid...

But who would ever want to calculate 999^999 exactly? I mean... it shows the calculator is powerful and all... but other than that...

If someone wanted to see how well networked 89's would simulate supercomputers, then I think it would be very useful. Even moderate engineering calculations can produce vaules similarly large vaules that compare in magnitude to 999^999. Theoretically of course.

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!
This is so incredibly super duper absolutely incredibly totally COOL!
*takes deep breath*
I... must... get.... one... of... these!
Featur-wise, both are so superior to all current 83-line calcs. So the rumors were true, after all!

BASIC OSes will finally be practical!!! sorry, just I have no need for a launcher for non ASM apps, but then again I have no initiative to make anything useful.

What's a "Basic OS".

Tell me

Here I am spending ages trying to replace the OS on the TI83+, spending heaps of time in ZDS, when I find out that you can program an OS in BASIC......

I think he meant BASIC shells....not a whole OS, just a prog that allows you to select other programs from a list and run them.

Oh no!!! More junky BASIC shells in the archives!!!

It is entirely possible to make a BASIC shell (even just a file explorer) that beats even Einstein.

>>just a prog that allows you to select other programs >>from a list and run them.

Try hitting "prgm". WHen you fing the prog you want to run, press ENTER twice.

y make the process slower

On AMS, you select from the VAR-LINK screen, as there is no PRGM button. Einstein, for instance is a graphical file explorer that sorts by file type, which has the disadvantages of not allowing arguments, having 2nd as the confirmation key, being available only in French, not having a way to associate files with executables, and not having file management utilities (which is what an OS is for).

Feature-wise, the difference between an 83+ and an 83+SE is a lot larger than the difference between 83+(SE) and 84+(SE).
I mean, what would make them that superior, the USB port? I'll believe that when people who actually used the new calcs say it's faster.
The clock then? No, not really, that's what a watch is for after all. I already think it rather silly when people look at their cell phone to check the time, imagine what people will think when you grap your calc because you want to now what time it is.
Ofcourse, if you wanna buy one, go right ahead, I'm just curious *why* you want one.

Firstly, the 84 Series looks cooler than the 83+ Series. And with the new feature, internal clock, will allow you to do wonders.
-Organizers and Calender APPS can display the daily schedules
-Timers will be more accurate
Although a PDA does this, what if you are a high school freshman and you don't have the money to buy a PDA? ;)

By the way, how much do these new calculators cost? Anyone know?

They should cost the same as the 83+ series do now. At least, that is what I had read onthe news realease.

For one, I look at my V200 to see what time it is.