Survey posted 2002-08-07 16:45 by Magnus.

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This thread is probably the best I've seen on ticalc in months... Look: we have 4 pages of mostly relevant stuff, no parades and pyramids and the rest, and MegaMan has gone away. Is someone moderating the board, or was it something about the poll? Hmmm...

Hey it's my poll. Yippee someone actually listened to me for once. (and if it ain't my poll it came out a week after I posted the suggestion)

Can people please post ideas that they feel strongly about - even if you do think them a bit daft the ticalc staff don't know who you are so you shouldn't be embarrassed. And, it should lead to better surveys.

What's you're favourite calc game? is just a tad too boring.

Well, my favorite calc game is PICROSS89, but you probably didn't care to know that anyway.:) (had to bring that up, sorry lol)

So, do they really post your ideas for polls if their good? I imagined it as a full mailbox with people reading, deleting, reading, deleting ideas until they found a good one. If they're running out of ideas I have some good ones, but I like this one, I think it should be kept for a while.

Here's another Windows/Linux topic:

Are there any good virus protectors for Linux? I got the idea because I was just looking at the Norton Antivirus 2002 desktop icon... I like Norton Antivirus, it's fast, easy...

I believe there are? not to sure but I have ready in a few articles that Linux is very resistant to viruses. Must keep its vit C content up and all that.

Well, maybe people don't make viruses for Linux too often because not too many people use it.

Oh yeah that reminds me, I heard on the news once that people were making viruses for plam pilots. Isn't that the most pathetic thing in the world? Next thing you know, you'll see stuff like this in the stores: "Antivirus Pro X5000! Remove Palm Pilot Viruses before they hit!" Next thing you know, someone will start making viruses for your calculators... (like my prgmFUNGAME hahahaha)

At least we have the luxury of quickly backing up and restoring everything in memory, not to mention some Flash ROM, depending on the calculator, if you ever did come across a harmful program.

Yeah, that's really nice to do, even though I don't do it all that much.

You can use a Mac and get a virus every 10 years, not every 10 emails like on windows, use a Virus scanner on Windows or you will regret it!(I did, I forgot there were so many for windows)

Antivirus software is not necessary at all. I got viruses emailed every day. Not a single one ever hit my system.

Oh and wait a week or so and start posting your ideas to TI calc they may just like them. I doubt that they are inundated with mail for this one.

I wish NAV 5 worked with w2k. 2000 and up are really slow with the scripted interface.

PARADE! MEGAMAN86! PYRAMID! Okay, just kidding. :-)

I agree that this poll has been very "intellectual" compared to the previous ones, and news items.

It's the poll. I've noticed this in the past, whenever people start talking in the differences in Windows and Linux etc. then people get more on topic (sometimes into fights), and there's less other stuff. I've learned a lot from just reading through all of this.

I think we all have

Suggestion: Don't rely on page numbers, because people have different amounts of comments set to appear on each page. For example, what is 4 pages to you is only 2 pages for me because I have it set to display the maximum amount of comments on each page.

Okay, lets clear a few things up!
For all the people who have said to me 'stop insulting windows', I have just checked all my comments...
And, all throughout, my only COMPLAINT about windows is with mem management (or whatever causes the crashing in 98 type systems). If XP etc doesn't have these problems I do apologise, it's just the impression I was given from the various articles I have read.

I like the interface of linux.
I love the interface of TOS (Atari OS)
I like the fact that you can customise linux to your own system.
I love BASH.
I love X / Emacs.
I love being able to give priority to software in linux.
I love being able to play great games in windows.
I love the fact that it's free. (after all everyone who writes software for calcs here gives it away for free because it is a labour of love not a money making scheme)

I do find installing somethings in Linux a bit daunting - and I am still trying to work out how to burn a CD.
I don't like the fact that resolving RPM dependencies is painful (though this is only a problem with distros not with the Linux System)
I don't like the fact that windows is put on most shop bought PC's and that you don't have a choice.
I don't like the fact that the average school only uses windows, forcing the home user to use it for compatibility issues (although these are now quite rare).
I don't like the fact that you have to pay for windows.
I have used XP a bit and couldn't stand the interface - which is why I don't like it.
And I have been told 2K isn't very supportive of games, and being a student guess what....

Well I'm glad I've cleared that up.
It was better then a scream.

And a scream was better than §ΙΧ, so okay never mind

Hey at least the girls don't giggle (or even have hysterics) when you scream.

Opps! I think I gave away a bit too much there.

HAHAHAHAHA! LOL!

A couple things:

1. The average school uses Windows because it is easier to get running and keep running in a school environment than Linux, and it is cheaper than Apple stuff.

2. You obviously didn't use XP long enough to discover that the cheesy new look/interface can be turned off, so it looks just like any other version of Windows.

3. If you don't like being forced to buy a computer with Windows on it, build your own. That's what I did; it's cheaper, you get more control over what goes in to your system, and home built systems are generally more expandable than bargain systems from Dell or Gateway. My Mom's dell only has 1 PCI slot on the motherboard.


I installed Linux (Red Hat 7.3) but couldn't stay with it because:
1) I have XP configured the way I like it and didn't feel like starting over
2) Linux takes a lot longer to boot than XP (46 seconds for XP, 2:23 for Linux)
3) XP is very stable, I go for weeks without rebooting so I didn't need a more stable OS
4) There weren't drivers for my wireless network adapter, which was the killer. I have a Netgear MA101 (USB). If anyone can direct me to drivers for it, I will give Linux another serious try. Obviously, an operating system isn't much use nowadays without internet access, so I reformatted the drive and it's my Music drive now.

So I'm not saying that Linux is bad, I'm just saying that Windows is more practical for most users.

1.True - still don't like it though, it would be nice if some IT teachers tried to take a look and set it on some machines. And I think we might be getting Linux set on some machines at uni soon - can't wait.
2.Couldn't use it that long - could stand the GUI.
3. I did.

Yeh the thing that's killing RH for me is the stupid RPM - it really can be frustrating - will be finding something new to try (still linux).

Try debian. Apt-get is what your looking for.

Ta I've just installed it on my machine. - dependencies being resolved is somewhat useful isn't it.

If RPM is getting you down, learn how to compile w/gcc!

I am quite capable with compiling - but package managers sort out dependencies, and make uninstalling much easier - so I figure get one that works nicely. - Debian

If Linux takes too long to boot use standby. It takes about 5 seconds to power up and I haven't had to do a reboot since I compiled KDE 3.0 a couple of months ago.

Most of those facts are true, except to schools one. Most schools (50+%) use Macs. But thats okay, most people dont know that. It is the only market Apple has atleast half in.

By the way, I do hate windows, and xp, mainly cause of its stupid name. It just doesn't work well.

I dont mind using it, but only for games.

Dont replie to this just to tell me you hate me because I hate windows.
Macs and Linux just work. All the time.
Windows doesn't work always.
You may think I have knack for crashing machines, and I do, I crased my friends XP machine running IE, and he has a nice new machine.

And I crashed Linux, but that was on purpose to see if I could do it. (80 big programs, only 64MB Ram)

I have yet to crash my OS X machine, and I have tried to. But old mac crashed alot to, but not my new OS X.
So I don't care if you hate macs, and love windows, there are those of us who hate to use it. So we use other machines.
So Buy a Mac, or keep using your Windows machine.

I HATE YOU.....Just kidding.
I have NEVER (not disputing what you said) seen a school running macs. I have only seen macs at the uni of Surry (UK) and I know a few other uni's do as well (haven't found any at my uni though). You US-ians are a lucky bunch having decent hardware at school

Where I am (Fairfax County,VA), they are trying to get rid of all the Mac's and replace them with HP's. Half of the new HP's are already broken. The rest are slow in all ways. Some macs broke down...After 4 years!

It's absolutely disgusting isn't it.

Dude, you gotta get a dell. (Seriously)

Sounds like my school, only they bought those silly little Dell towers!

At my university computers dualboot windows NT and redhat linux.

At my school all of the English, Publishing, and Visual Arts classes use macs. They have about 33% mac 33% wintel and 33% Apple II. Thank goodness I can carry my notebook along and use Linux, eh?

Just a few notes:

Linux can't be compared to Windows regarding the interface since Linux is text based and Windows is a desktop environment.

One *has* to customise Linux to its own system in most of the times. Otherwise it doesn't work. This is by far the most important reason (in my eyes) why people (either at home or in a corporate network) don't switch to Linux.

You can give priorities to programs in Windows NT too.

Try Debian:
: apt-get (pkgname)
Try FreeBSD:
: pkg_add -r (pkgname)
: make install distclean (Which fetches source, compiles and installs software and cleans up everything afterwards. Of course it automatically handles all dependencies too)

man cdrecord (or something)

Dell has admitted that they are not stable enough to hit MS in the face by offering Linux or even just a PC without any operating system at all. (read: MS blackmails PC manufactures)

In my primary school (age 6-12 here), the internet gateway and samba servers run Linux. The workstations run Windows however because most educational software require Windows. They don't run IE.

Just to clear a few things up...

I've read all the documents on cdrecording.I didn't know how to set up the ide-scsi driver. I found it in a FAQ yesterday. Yippee CDs are coming to a comp near me...