Survey posted 2002-08-07 16:45 by Magnus.

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Yes, ofcourse!
Do they (@TI) get paid by Microsoft(R) for releasing software fow Windows(R)? Or Apple!?
I doubt!
Does every TI-7x/8x/92 calc user have to pay $100-200 for OS on his PC just to be able to use linking program made by TI? Why should we?!?
I believe Linux is worth of their attention.
PS.
I am The First to vote here,
so I am to blame for 100% YES answers (as for now)

I am the 5th to vote and I broke the 100% Yes answer, I don't care because I have windows ;)

Why would they need to when the Far Supirior to All TI Made Linking Programs TILP is already out? It Even supports MacOSX and Windows XP for crying out loud. Without screwing around with dll's for Windows XP

What calcs does TILP support and does it run under linux?

Most, if not all TI calcs with link ports, and yes, it does run under Linux.

Excellent. Ta for that. I didn't know that TILP was out there for the lesser calcs.

tilp is wierd and doesn't work for me. Or maybe i just need a graphical GUI with clippy to guide me along...

Haha, clippy. He has to be the most annoying thing ever. He just won't go away.

Okay, I confess, Clippy's why I don't like Windows. (kidding)

Is it me or does that irritating little goit seem to think it knows what you are doing better then you do. I CAN write a letter you I don't need some dumb bit of code to reformat it and tell me my address is wrong.

Yeah, I hate that, it's annoying, that's why I use Corel ;-)

Last time I payedenough attention to notice, his name was Clippit. Has it changed because practically everyone calls it Clippy?

You might like changing the paper clip to something else. Right-click and do "Change Assistant". Also try "Animate".

No! we might like to kill it. Along with the sadistic person who created it.

LOL YES WE DO! But, he always gets in your way... and he says "Oh, it looks like you're writing a letter!" NO DUH!

1329th comment!
w00t!

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Or, just go into the options and permanently disable it. It is very anoying for them to have the Newbie Help System pop up randomly when you don't want it, by default.

You can do that?... I'd rather kill him.

so why don't you. his animation files and all are seperate, and can be shotgun debugged (ie, write a quickie program to replace random bytes with random data, like blasting lots of holes in it with a shotgun) or deleted.

Hahaha! I think I'll do that some day...

Good job! Someone with some sense! However, I normally never let him touch my computer. I unclick the little box for him along with the Office Bar and Find Fast. I'm not sure about ya'll (so I'm a Texan, so what) but I have never and probably never will use those programs.

I use TILP often, but it's no good for sending anything with a licence attached (TI flash apps or the OS). I have to boot into winbloze and use ti-graph-link for that. It's a shame, since in other respects tilp is the nicer program to use.

No offense, but that isn't very nice!

Linux definitely needs a cable and software from TI.

TiLP supports ALL link cables and ALL calculators on many platforms...

But that isn't made by TI. Linux is growing, and it makes since for TI to offer something for it. I don't use it much because it doesn't like my modem, but I'm going onto a lan soon so hopefully I can get it online.

The whole purpose of Open Source Software is that it is open. We have several linking programs, the best of which are tilp and hptalx. Both of them can be installed in Debian GNU/Linux with the command 'apt-get install tilp hptalx'. Why should I waste the time going to TI's site, downloading a tarbal, tar -xzf ing it, coaxing my cat into agreeing to the EULA, etc? I voted no because it isn't needed. The winshit linking program uses win16 APIs, and would probably work in WINE if anyone cared enough to try.

I agree. However with that argument, you could also say TI shouldn't bother supporting any OS with their software. Why should Windows alone get special treatment? Most people who are new to this go to TI before looking elsewhere. Because they're the center of attention, they should be supporting as many people as possible. If everyone who bought the link cable knew in the store that they could use it with Linux, it would be better, right?

Most Linux users actually put effort into getting their computer to work with peripherals. There are many resources on tldp.org and on IRC in #linuxhelp (among others) on slashnet and openprojects.net that will help people with this sort of thing. Also, *real* Linux users know the power of a freashmeat or google search. Anyone devoting more than 45 seconds to their TI-Graph Link will know about TILP.

Who cares if the app is made by TI or someone else. So far, most open source apps developed by 3rd parties are far superior to the MS platform ones because the 3rd parties happen to be the actual users, and have a clue as to what is actually needed. There's no doubt in my mind that some programmer who can't spell TI without spellcheck could not come close to the functionality of use as an engineer who uses the stupid thing ALL the time.

Well, you obviously didn't read my follow-up post. A newbie customer only knows about what he sees, and TI isn't about to go supporting third party linking programs in place of their own. Also, it's a matter of principle: companies should support their own hardware. This issue involves many more companies than TI. For example, I just bought a Cannon S750 printer, but since Cannon can't be bothered to release Linux drivers, I am going to have to make due with something else. Sure, I'll still be able to print, but I won't be able to align the print heads and do some of the things that the printer is capable of. It's about time companies started acknowledging Linux, regardless if there is better third-party software or not, because sometimes there isn’t. The new customer doesn’t always know what else is out there, and if the box doesn’t say it will work on Linux, they often assume that it won’t (to be safe). How can TI guarantee that it will work on Linux when they are not responsible for the software that ensures that it will?

You're right, it does; but it spits the dummy with licences flash software.

well, I'm sure the Linux people would want it.

just not too many people use it (that I know)

um... okay yeah that's it

like nobody has linx everybody has windows i do not think ti should waste its time

Well, that's not totally true, there are a few linux users out there who would like it, but there are PLENTY more Windows users.

I agree - I use Windows, but I'm sure Linux users would be happy (Linux is cool :-b...)

There might be more Linux users if more companies started acknowledging that it exists...

BTW, nice poll. I was just thinking the same thing about TI's Linux support. Obviously, I voted "yes".

Yes, that's true. I am a Windows 98 SE, Windows XP, MacOS 7.5.3, MacOS X, Linux, and Unix user, and from my experience with all these operating systems, I do firmly believe that MacOS will be taking the lead in the near future. I can't explain, as there is too much to explain, but it incorporates all the operating systems into one, Unix based stability, Apple based ease of use, and now even Windows based software. (face it, most people used windows for the software, and most businesses found initially that IBM could produce home computers capable of linking with their mainframes, whereas Apple could not) Anyways, the point is, whether they make for Linux or not, it doesn't really matter, as there are better operating systems out there. I voted yes that TI should make a Linux version, but I mean, I don't know of many people that use Linux only, and not another operating system, and if they do, then most offen than not, they have not seen MacOS X, as anyone who sees it, will be truly amazed...

Pardon, when I said better, I meant popular, but popularity isn't everything. But I lean towards my Unix based systems...

I do dual boot XP and Linux. It has worked well for the moment. I have seen OS X and like it, but I had to get a PEECEE out of necesity. My college is 99% pc. Also, the parental units in my home thought it best to have one. I would have got a Mac if I could have, though.

No offense, but Mac is dying. Sure the OS is very stable, but that's because it's so basic.

As for the Linux thing, TI has much more important things to deal with than the .000001% of its customers who use Linux for their calculators. I don't think TI should waste its time, especially if there already is a third-party link program that runs with Linux.

The Mac is NOT dying out.

I do find offense in this. When people haphazardly throw opinions on message boards without doing a little homework, it pains me. I find it hard to believe the mac is dying when the user base is expanding as well as the third-party support. It might be a fluke that the mac is showing up in the news a little more often recently, but I think not. It is also interesting that 40% of all visitors to mac stores are Windows users.
PLUS: The mac is not stable because it is basic. Over 20 years of work went into the modern OS. Maybe not all of that work was by Apple, but that does not matter. Mac OS X includes FreeBSD and portions of Next, among other things.

OS X is one of the most complex systems out there
I hate uninformed opinions

7.5.3? must use an emulator.

System 7.5.3 was one of the most stable and best versions of the classic Mac OS, which doesn't include 0S X

Yep thats right! The blind people of this world are a vast minority. Lets put them against a wall and shoot them all. That should save everybodies time. Nice attitude mate!

I agree with you, if I understood you right.

If you're thinking that my comment was sarcastic - yep spot on. His attitude stinks.

there are those of us who hate windows and use Macs Instead, but for once, a company has seen the value of the Mac market and not left us out. So no not everybody uses windows. And in the Ti market, a substantial segment uses Linux. So instead of making stupid comments, how about you learn some facts.

Well... you use a Mac. :)

well I will

...but on your account info page...

Mac has always been better in all ways over windows. Also OSX is the best OS ever! MAC RULES!

Actually, the better OS's are normally Unix based (Linux, Unix, Mac OSX). And even if it is a majority, there are still alot of people using Linux and Mac.

Amen.
My WinXP partition had serious psycological issues the day after I installed it. I have a hunch it was windowsupdate. By the way, Win32 users, go there now. No reason, just go there. Anyway, my Linux partition has not had a single problem, since I installed it a week ago. In fact, it has worked better than I expected. I was almost positive I could not use at least some of my hardware, but it detected it all and linux can used it all. WinXP, on the other hand, thinks my ADI SoundMax soundcard is from nVidia. Stupid WinXP! Tux rules!

We could go on for years on which operating systems are best, and we could all give examples. The average man does not go around thinking "Gee! I'm wrong! I just know that I'm wrong!", as most people go around with "What is he talking about! I KNOW that I'm right.", so henceforth, same is to operating systems. This is NOT a personal "everybody convert to Mac" opinion, but the truth. If you look at ease of INITIAL use, Mac wins hands down, stability, then you got ALL the Unix based operating systems (Unix, Linux, MacOS X, and NOT Windows NT nor XP, 'cause if they were unix based, then why do I have to reboot the entire freakin' computer everytime I install something? It is definately NOT unix based, no matter what po boy BGates' company says) Macs by far excell in every aspect, just sadly, Microsoft is just a popular company, I mean, every person wants Microsoft, only 'cause it's well known. Ah well, y'all who love Microsoft to death use em, us few "smarter" folks shall utilize true operating systems such as Unix and MacOS...

ok you're kind of right, they arent unix based but, they do take a page out of the mac book that was based on unix principles. In xp each program has its own little section of memory and isnt let out. that's why you can get 300+ popups and not get a blue screen of death, windows recoginizes the problem and closes off the little boxes, gates never said that he based his entire os on unix. and yes that is a verrry long run on sentence.

Be careful about what you download from Windows Update - you might not like the games they're playing with their EULA. See link for more info.

Hi. I'm nobody.

Does that mean you're perfect?

I suppose it could....

Linux owns Windows anyday!

I agree

I really don't understand why the whole world, including me, uses Windows. IT SUCKS.
Is it marketing? Is it compatibility? Is it Microsoft paying companies for only supporting Windows? I don't know, but I do know that every Windows-user hates his own computer. It crashes, gives errors, doesn't start as it's supposed to do, loses data, doesn't detect joysticks, videocards, modems and so on, NEVER EVER does what you want it to do and is incredibly unstable.
Let Gates come up with something new, something WORKING, or admit that his system sucks and release the market to other OS's. That's my vote...

Amen! I hear ya, brother!

Thanx.