ehem...first post :)
anyways, i'd get the latest update for my 83+ even tho i almost don't use it after i got my 89. it'd be cool to have clock on an 83+ like on 89/92 after the new AMS!

it would be cool, but it's not going to happen.

:(

*<.'^b><

Who from Saudi Arabia visited my site?

It wasn't me...

Me either...

Whenever I put up a file they never update!

Same here... the summer is always slow

and the winter is fast?.... NO!



"visit my site -a quote"

it was that one guy who keeps talking about goats

...or maybe it was the purplefrogging shampooer

That was him--PolarDPres IS the guy who was talking about the goats and was high on... something, and I don't think he is Saudi Arabian, visited his own site, and then asked us all if we did it... unless he was high then too..

pot, and after those post, I am quitting, no I wasn't high when I posted that though, dot.tk site stats said a saudi had visited my site, and Im from the US.
and purple shampooer wasnt me
and goats are an inside joke with my friends, one of my friends was caught by his mom looking at well, goat porn, dont ask, I dont get it, we just make fun of him.

<perverted voice>come here goat! hehehe</perverted voice>

Wow. You're a talking goat.
Yeah, that's great, I can talk, terrific.

Kluge (my friend who likes goats) would like to know if you could introduce him to the goat?

And now... back to the news.

There has been an interesting turn of events. All the "pr0n" websites have now changed into something new... goats. And now, people everywhere are becoming p3rv3rt3d, looking at them...

I think he got it off kazaa, there are some sick people out there, and that would suck if all the porn was goat porn.

Except for Kluge, hed like it.

I heard a rumor that kazaa contained spyware.

I think ur right

KaZaA "had" spyware? noooo... KaZaA HAS spyware! I still use it though, for what I can get with it...

I got myself a spyware cleaner, and removed all of my spyware things off my computer. I ran KaZaA, and it gave me an error that something like a needed component had been deleted and that I needed to reinstall KaZaA.

KaZaA has spyware, and will not run without it.

You might want to give kazaa lite a try. They modified kazaa to use a dummy load for the spyware, and it works just as well as kazaa does.

Actually, the SE does have a crystal in it. Someone (Michael Vincent maybe) made a stop watch that used the crystal to keep time, so it is possible.

we just have to wait 4 years. Then it will put a clock and icon menu, about 200k more RAM in a rom update.

lol, yeah.

I wish...

4 Years? Ti wouldn't do that in 400 years!
p00p! them!

TI-83 Plus II

or, TI-83+ Gold Edition :-p

And they could make it with real gold! And sell it for $100!

actually, if they did that, they would have to make the processor 25mHz

They could make it 20 MHz too.

This Stopwatch Uses MirageOS's Timer Function (that is available for TI-83+ and 83+ SE

I Believe that the crystal in the SE would be used for the DBUS assist (but that is just a guess)

Medevo

Not to be rude or anything, but why do so many people have capitalization problems? Believe, Uses, Timer, Stopwatch, and Function aren't the first word of a sentence, nor are they proper nouns...

I never really pay attention to the capitalization anymore. Ever since e-mail came around

"Hey, I went to the store with Bob yesterday"
is the same as
"hey i went to the store w bob yestaday"

hey, Who'S boB?

Yo Momma

Dude! how do you know so much about me?

Because I can haxxor and I am roxxor, but I'm not suxxor, but I still get beat up by joxxors.

I have a ti-89 and 83, take calculus, and am in 10th grade...I also play football and wrestle...so the joxxors(some people consider me to be one) might <I>try</I> to beat me up, but would probabally not try to :)

goats are fun

g00d! for you.

Indeed. See URL.

Unfortunately 83+ doesn't have interrupt levels... Therefore all of the programs (quite a few, including the OS) that disable interrupts would cause the clock to run slow.

Is there a way (without the soldering iron of course) to use the Non-Maskable Interrupts?

There is no way with a soldering iron, and there is no way without a soldering iron. The TI-OS cannot handle NMIs because 0066h is in the middle of a routine. Now independent OSes could, but you couldn't fix the hardware anyway.

In a future release, they could relocate their code if they wished.

No, because the hardware still doesn't support it.

Eh? (cocks head to left)

Do you know as much about 89s as you do about 83(+(SE))s?
I would like some hardware tips (both platforms) for my emulator.

Not at all.

Instead of having an internatl clock why don't they just make an external hardware accesory. I mean if I can think of an Idea then they can do it. Let say I have a digital watch. Most or nearly-all digital watches have a second timer. If someone could attach a wire to the cord that leads to that sector and attach that wire to the reciving part of a link cable then it could work. There would have to be 2 calculators first. 1 calculator would be on the side with the recieving part connected to the watch. Every time a second changed a chrage would be sent through the cord to that calculator. If a program (In asm) could read the incoming bursts then it could add it onto the a timer. every second. Maybe someone could put it on the minute timer and get a change every minute. Of course that wouldn't solve the problem with having interupt requests slowing down the readings. The nly way to beat that would be to have something external send in the time. Hey you never know it might work and Im' still working on the wireless and phoneline link. If you want more information on this eamil me at ... my email. Thanks Mike

If you have a digital watch, why don't you just look at it?

True but the point of that was to explain how easy it would be for TI to create a timer accesory for the TI 83. Therefore whats so hard about putting one inside the calulator. Nothing! The clock could run completely seperate from the OS. This would mean that when the OS ran a program it could discontinue running the scripts from the clock and rejoin after the running the program or the math question get it! AND 1 for me.

That's pretty much how it works now. You have to check it though...and you are back to interrupts.

But suppose you set the timer to its lowest (8hz, right?) So you'd only need to check every 32 seconds. Now, the update routine is very short:

in a,(timerctl)
and 4
ret z
ld a,1
out (timerctl),a
ld a,(mytimer)
inc a
ld (mytimer),a
ret
(or we could test for overflow, update next timer, whatever)

Nice programs will let the interrupt routine do this. Mean programs won't. To support the less nice programs, we could simply add the routine into, say, fastcopy, or some other library routine that we expect to be called fairly often. For new programs that don't want an interrupt, all they will need is to call TimerUpdate at some point during their main loops. Remember, it only needs to be called once every 32 seconds. That's a long, long time.

That's what they[people] said about the 89.

I think having a system clock would take more battery power since it'd have to be on all the time, or it'd have to draw power off the lithium. I don't know much about TI's hardware, but I have a feeling that there might be some hardware limitations toinstalling a system clock.

Not at all. There is a 32.768 kHZ crystal in the SE, which uses an unmeasurable amount of power to run, on the order of microamps. To enable the clock, one of the 3 adjustable timers based on this crystal would be programmed to generate an interrupt every second. The calculator would then briefly update a counter, and then go back into HALTs until the next second. It's very low drain because the calculator uses ~.05 milliamps when off, and 24.7 at full execution speed, but the time the CPU would run at full speed is very brief, so the total power drain would appear the same.

So, why don't u make a clock app that would display the time in the lower right hand corner?

It couldn't easily be an app. But I've made an OS with the clock in the lower-right corner, however because I don't have TI's level of knowledge about the calculator, it currently draws about 1.2 mA all the time since I can't shut down all of the hardware and still execute HALTs.

I assume you mean BOSS, which I assume is a great program, but it didn't work on my calculator, is it only for the 83, and not the 83+?

No, I mean an OS that runs only on my calculator that I have...sorry :)

Why couldn't you release it, out of curiosity.

Because first of all, it's an extension to the TI-OS and thus I can't distribute it legally. Second, it has some issues such as a constant 1.3 mA consumption...that kills your batteries about 2 weeks. It would be much less but I haven't yet figured out how to turn off the calc hardware without turning off the timers as well.

You coded an extension to the os? 0_o

I sometimes wish I had the technical skills to do that. :p

I don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of this. The way it is now, it's not even that pratical (power drain). I just wanted to show that it's possible. There is the issue of the disabling interrupts in games, but unless they are disabled all the time, you probably would only lose a few seconds during each game. TI wouldn't care since they can put blame on the games.

If TI doesn't support/encourage the games on the calculators, then why do they have Puzzpack App for download advertised in their magazines and stuff?

Dumb question for loads of you, anyhow, i got my calc 2 days ago, and i can;t delete any apps, and i am wonderinghow to erase some..... anyway, my calc is full and i need some space, thanks for any answers.

you need to hit [2nd] [+] [2] [alpha] [math], this will give you access to the apps part of the application. Next repeat, instead of hitting [math] hit [apps] this will allow you to delete application variables. NOTE: YOU CANNOT DELETE THE FINANCE APPLICATION. (at least not to my knowledge.)

How did you get it there?
Why can't you let other people have it?
Is it because of not being to be able to sign your OSes?
I'm currently (present tense, not future) writing an 83+ emulator for the 89, can I have it to distribute with the emulator (assuming it works)?

I put it there?
Because it'd be illegal to release an OS that contains TI's code from a third-party.
Somewhat related.
No, but I'd like to see that emulator when it's done. It sounds great.

Its not illegal as long as you note that it includes ti-os components, and your not making money or copywriting it

That's not true.

Why not?

Because you're STILL using their code for your own purposes, without permission. Maybe if TI gave you permission to include their code (which will probably never happen, seeing their track record), you could include it in a user-built OS, but saying that you can use it if you note that it's their code is like saying that you can keep a video game ROM on your computer legally for 24 hours if you own the physical game. Technically, it's not even legal to rip CDs to MP3 format, since by purchasing the CD you've been licensed for ONE copy of the music... and that copy is on the CD.

okay, I was wrong, got it now

No I found out if its for "Education", you can use their stuff, or thats what my teacher said

What about this, He tells TI he will give them his OS including all the changes that he made as long as they distribute everything they use it for freely

Um... that would be kind of pointless. They would gain nothing from that deal. In other words, that would basically be a single person somehow gaining bargaining power over an entire company for their own software.

When you buy a CD, you are licensed to USE one copy of the music at any given time. You can do whatever you want as long as you don't distribute the music. Also, ripping CDs falls under fair use. Similarly, you can keep ROMs on your computer as long as only one instance of the game is in use at any given time. I have read every clause of the copyright laws and I do know what I am talking about.

As for TI giving anyone permission to modify their OS, it's never going to happen. They are in this to make money and even though they aren't making much off of us, they still want it. Open source just isn't profitable from a corporate standpoint.

Ok, you're right... I misread the copyright law... ripping does indeed fall under fair use. Just like recording a TV show does, too. However, if you have any emulated video games on your computer, you're breaking the law (not that I don't...). Video game ROMs do NOT fall under the 'fair use' policy. If you read the little warranty/license notes in the back of any video game instruction book, they stipulate that you cannot legally use the software if you attempt to make any sort of copy of it. Mainly because they're easy to distribute freely, and that is breaking the law. Now, if you have a ROM grabber for any old console system, and you make the ROM yourself, THAT is legal, as long as you only run one copy at once. However, simply having ROMs you have NOT made on your computer is NOT legal.

Gosh, you mean that? I must be breaking all of those laws! Next you'll be saying hacking is iligal...

or illegal...

That's complete BS. That would be like redistributing the Windows XP sourcecode (with a slight modification) for free (or not) and just saying "This is Microsoft's code and I'm not making money off of it."

Even if you recompiled it and sold the binaries and sent all the money directly to MS it would be illegal (without prior permission to do so).

We'll I meant get permission, you always need to get permission before editing anything that isn't yours.
But unlike Microsoft, Ti releases updates for free, and if you rewrote XP and sold it, or gave it away, that would be illegal, because you are selling some one elses software, But Ti probably wouldn't mind because theres are all free. He could release it as a patch to the OS, then Ti would not care.

Yes, it could be a patch. But there's still the problem of the power drain. If done properly (like the Voyage 200) it's not any greater. However, TI of course does not publish how to turn off all the hardware except the timers, so I'm currently just HALTing with the LCD off.

Open VTI, press 2nd off, immediately press f11, single stpe, and jot down the instructions that the OS executes. It isn't that hard, just non-obvious.

You think I don't know that? The problem lies in the hardware. The hardware will shut everything off if the interrupt timers are disabled AND the calculator is at a HALT waiting for an On-interrupt. To fix that, you have to output some sort of value to the hardware (if this is even possible).

output a value to the hardware? you mean like a password?

No, I mean the correct command to turn off all of the hardware except the crystal timers, if it exists.

Since I only _license_ software from Microsoft, does that mean that I can't change the binaries on my computer? How about correcting errors in a library book with a pencil and a post-it note? I do hope it's okay to run HW2Patch, because IT (pun intended) owns their ROMs.

hey, maybe we could start calling them IT...it would have a strange scifi sound to it, make you think of TI diferently, and seperate programmers even farther away from everybody else(like the L33T and W00T type stuff).

Um... what would be the point of that?

because <scary mucic> IT told me to!!! </scary music>

Time for the 343GuiltySpark News!
*dramatic music plays*

OMG, how do you know this stuff?
Is there anything you don't know about calculators?
w00t!

>>> OMG, how do you know this stuff?

with part numbers from the calc and a web browser

>>> Is there anything you don't know about calculators?

only the private key TI uses to sign their apps and flash roms

(I'm not Michael Vincent, this is just simple deduction)

I don't know much about this, but if they distribute the key, couldn't you get it? is it extremely encrypted or hidden or something? I've heard of people who could crack CD keys, and programs to do that, so couldn't it be done fot the calculator?

They don't distribute it. They use RSA crytography, where each 83+ has a copy of the public key to decrypt OSes which are signed by TI's private key.