I hear,

I think,

I respond,

w00t!

I hope TI leaves them in the dust, so much more programmable and less commercial potential

1st post

Somone please tell me....what does w00t mean?




...PARADE!

It's a hacker expression and also part of leetspeak. It is used as an exclamation of triumph/joy.

damn... I thought it was Elmer Fudd hacker speak for Root.

damn, I never thought of it that way... that's funny! w00t!
"Cawots gwow as w00t!s in the soil!"

You know, w00t actually means either "woo hoo!" or "root" in l33t 5p34k.

Hey, why'd nick steal the story from slashdot?

That would be 133+5p34k, my good man.
w00t!, SKREEE!

if one should consume the other, it will definitely be the pda which wins out. take the ipaq for example - thousands of colors on a high resolution screen with a 233 MHz processor which is already being used as a cellphone by some consumers. it can already emulate some super nintendo games. frankly, 233 MHx would be grossly excessive for a calculator. therefore, it is my belief that perhaps texas instruments will develop ti calculator software to make an ipaq look reasonably like a ti-83.

-louis

Aww, be quiet...

Um...
£65 for a TI-83 Plus- free software.
£300+ for a *decent* PDA (ie HP Jordana)- pay for software.

I know where my vote lies...

Also, the amount of free decent software out there for the TI-83 Plus is pretty decent, showing how you can drive the hardware to the max- colours on a standard black/white lcd (8 bit greyscale, blue (oversaturate the display- see two-colour pong)), sound from the comm port, and simple DIY upgrades (backlighting, IR port, external memory). You can even Telnet now. The device is a lot more robust (less fragile screen, tougher case).

And when are you going to be allowed to use your PDA to play games in a maths class? At least with a calculator things are a little more subtle.

Did you notice TIs latest scheme? Networked calcs! (You set up a LAN in the maths classroom and you can get files of the teachers calc).

w00t! and PARADE! for TI!

Its not impossible for calcs to be networked, but TI will have to make a new OS that can be compatible with all their calculators. But one thing TI has to overcome is the slow data transfer rate of the Link Cables since on average they send 680bps.

The graphics on a TI are basically same on the Palm, monochrome 8-bit color.

Who cares about 33-MHz? 15MHz on a SE 83 Plus is decent, if we could overclock the thing, I expect it to go atlease 30MHz or 45.

Everything Palm has can be re-writeen and can run on a TI with ROM ability. So that means, a SimCity game written as an APP can run on TIs

Cheaper and Better, that's what TIs are. You can also graph on a TI (hence its name graphing calculator) but an "advanced" PDA can't unless with "special" software.

So again I say, what the heck? Tis are better!

So I agree with this guy,

w00t!
t00w!
h00t!
and
hello nurse!

They send much faster than that...if your computer isn't the limiting factor you can reach 6KB/sec...

oh

Really? Wow, now that could be FAST! (by comparison)

HEY! IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR CALCS TO BE NETWORKED!!!
(split the cable)
-love,
esweecoo

I never said its impossible

opps, i am bada at reading

Since I started this Networked-TI system (the 'TI-Navigator') discussion, take a look at the official page- click my 'Web Page' button above!

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didnt work

Why do you think that they would need to make a new OS? The existing OS is sufficent for networking.

I must say, 8-bit grayscale would be terribly impressive to see on a calculator. Too bad we don't have it. 8-bit grayscale means 256 grays, the most that I have seen on any TI is 32, and that was on the 86. the 83 series can't even come close.

Chances are that the 83SE is already overclocked. developing new chips costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, whereas using older chips does not. It is always cheaper to run your chips beyond specs than it is to make chips that fit the desired specs.

I must say, most applications that run on PalmOS devices rely pretty heavily on the touch screen. TIs do not have a touch screen. It would be far less than fun to reprogram PalmOS apps to work on TIs.

I bought a PDA just two months ago. It was one of the best that money can buy, and it still cost less than my schools TI-83s cost. It came with a CD of free software, and there were about five graphing calculators on the CD. I have one of them on it, and it is far superior to any TI I have used. Granted, it does take up memory that I could use for other things, but it is well worth the 160kB that it takes up.

SORRY!
I really should know better: 2^8= 256 greys.
I meant 3-bit (2^3=8)- 8 different greys. That flickers like crazy, but 4 greys (2-bit) do not flicker at all (if using the RIG system).

Go on, rip it out of me for making such a *stupid* mistake).

I've mentioned this very thing before...

What's the double posts?? This seems to happen a lot with some people...

Sorry (again).
Look at the last line of the above post: the bracket is missing at the start of the line. In my second post the bracket is there.
I had clicked 'Post', saw the mistake and hit escape ('Stop' in IE). It hadn't seemed to do anything (as the 'your message has been added' had not appeared) so I corrected my mistake and clicked 'Post' again.
That is why there are two nearly identical messages from me on this page.

SORRY!
I really should know better: 2^8= 256 greys.
I meant 3-bit (2^3=8)- 8 different greys. That flickers like crazy, but 4 greys (2-bit) do not flicker at all (if using the RIG system).

(Go on, rip it out of me for making such a *stupid* mistake).

Certainly, there are lots of other Z80s that go as fast as
30MHz, and i think they are not overclocked, and they cost
about $5.
A New OS will certainly be a requirement, an OS that'll be fast enough to emulate the speed of mutitasking, which everyone here can agree, that if a server had crased or the user changed his/her mind.
and PALMS SUCK

Again, all that you really need to network calcs is a hub and some OS extentions. I must say, though, that it would be very cool to have a PPP/SLIP client built into a calculator.

and yes, PalmOS devices are stupid. They are very small, but all that they are is an address book, a phone book, and a notepad. They have a terrible means of data entry and they are slow.

Check out the linked web page! The developers of the device featured were all part of the team that developed the Apple TiBook!

yah, I know graffiti or jot (or the screen keyboard) is a million times slower than the alpha keys on a graphing calculator. SIKE! Besides the fact that collapsable keyboards already exist for Palm devices. As for speed.. well that is an opinion, but user input is always slower than anything.

go to his web page. its the ultimite hand-held.

ok, that didn't make sense, let me refine it. My last post.
When we are going to have networked calcs, 3 or more, you're going to have to make an update to the current OS with some new features. There are setbacks on the current OS 1.14
1) You can only connect to 1 calculator/device
2) The OS doesn't let you see the other calc's contents.
this means that a new or updated version of an OS is nessessary.
Along with a new OS, TI would have to make connectors, something like that of the GBA link cables.
I think that the new OS or update should have is:
a P2P something like client
being able to access another calc, like viewing files on a FTP server
being able to connect 10+ other calculators disregarding models, so a type protocol
an OS identifier, to identify what calculator and what OS its running
then when you get the items from the calc, a sfotware decoder would decode a program from the calc.
Does that make some sense now?

I would think that multithreading would be sufficient for a simple calculator network, instead of full multitasking.

I've done some multithreading programming for the TI-86, which could be ported to any Z80 platform easily (if you want to try it, please wait for my upcoming major update to it before doing anything serious). It's only cooperative multithreading, but that also eliminates or alleviates some problems associated with preemptive multithreading.

I think that you have multithreading and multitasking messed up.
Multithreading = several streams of execution passing through the processor in parallel, like ======
Multitasking = several streams of execution passing thru at different times, like -_-_-_-_-_

so Chivo, what mutithreading actuall does it just speed up a programs' load time. I'm talkin about multitasking as in running +2 programs at once!

I've done multithreading also, as well as the non-cooperative non-premptive multitasking in the TSE shell :)...The calcs aren't really suited that well for it, I think multithreading is the limit of practicality. Multitasking isn't worth it.

Multithreading is very similar to multitasking. In fact, the only significant difference is that multithreading allows a program to have multiple "threads" (which *appear* to run simultaneously), and multitasking allows multiple programs to run (which, again, *appear* to run simultaneously).

Both multi's can be implemented either cooperatively (as I've done; below Win95 do too) or preemptively (as nearly all modern OSes do), and both deal with "time slices", which are distributed between running threads (in the case of multithreading) or programs (for multitasking).

although I don't proclaim myself to be the know-all on how TI's work, I would think that by splitting the cable, as was already mentioned, would be sufficient enough to be able to serve purpose in the classroom (ie the teacher links his/her calc to student's via one heavily splitted link and can send data that will reach everyone else fairly quickly). But, I don't think this method would enable you to, for example, play 3+ player games.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Again, a new OS is not really necessary. All that you need is a hub with its own OS and a program on the calcs to determine what to do with the data received from the hub. It would be simpler to integrate this into a new OS for the flash calcs, but I still think that the 86 is either 'best' or 'second only to the 89.' Also, the linking calculators do have a type identifier that precedes their packets (IIRC). If the calc is silent link capable, I am fairly sure that there is a command to get calculator info.

What i'm trying to say...
is that to network calcs WITHOUT using a hub, but insted of using a new type of graphlink can can connet to a lot of other calcs. Its like this, when you have a home network, do you use a central server? heck no! you use a client! so what i'm thinking of is like a P2P network on a server type network!

That could be done, but not with the 83SEs hardware assist. Also, that would not require a new OS, just a new program to handle the linking. PPP/SLIP on a calculator would be rather impressive, though.

When you are trying to connect to another computer over the internet, do you get a direct connection? Most certainly not. You go through many routers, hubs, and servers to get there.

A hub would make everything simpler. It could handle all of the interfacing and give the calcs only the data that they need. It would not require new link cables, just a set of plugs for the current ones.

I was going to make a simple BBS someday... Put an old laptop in the top of my locker... charge 10 cents an hour... make money... defy authority... w00t!... w00tever!

The Handspring Visor Basic and Deluxe both have a modified Motorola 68K processor. I did some minor hex editing to a TI-89 ASM program (fixed the header, added some "runnability" code) and it worked on my Visor.

I wrote a very basic graphing program in C for the Visor. It read a function in from a memo file, then plotted it all the way across the screen. The center of the screen was (0,0).

I paid $116 for my PDA and I got a ton of free software.

Also, as I said below, it is not 8-bit grayscale, it is 8 level (3-bit)

My PDA's case has yet to get a scuff. I have taken it everywhere for the past two months, and it has only the scratches it came with (none).

No, hack files of teacher's calcs. And, multyplayer games in math class!
Man, the future looks great!
w00t!

Problem with 2-color pong: it will fook-over your calc's screen eventually. Mine has little blue trails all over it.

Really?
It hasn't done that to my calc (yet). Thanks for the warning! Have you seen the 'Cool' text file with OmniCalc? There is a way to output values to ports (just like my 'Advanced Controls' program- click the 'webpage' link) and one thing to do is output a certain value to the memory bank. This draws three blue lines across the screen (they *really* are blue- light blue!). The only thing is that it only works once. :( I have tried to recreate the effect but it won't have it.

See URL. Run with Asm() from homescreen.

How DOES one get blue colored lines on an LCD with black pixels? The two-color pong readme didn't really explain it that well ...

TI-s are nice because they can be easily programmed to do things.

Palms and Pocket PC-s can not....

but the later has more orginization features...

maybe TI need more token space, and more memory(Compact Flash Anyone?) so that they can compete, and be more programmable.

At the moment they are two completely different markets.

Personally I think that interacting with a Handspring Visor (using graffati) is much easier for this kind of information than interacting with TI-s app for the 83+ on my 83+...

and think about size...
PDA-s are better suited at their size than the Voyage (2000?) as a date book. I can fit my calculator in my pocket, but is the screen big enough for it to be of use?

At the moment neither market should be afraid of the other, hopefully ti will be using Intel StrongArm CPU-s soon, or ... a non-Intel equilivent.

More memory would be nice.....and not flash-rom, there's enough of that.....at least on a TI-83+ SE.....1.5mb. I've close to half filled it, but I'm not filling the other half very quickly. But more RAM would be nice....
TI's can be easily programmed, yes, and your right about the palms being more organized.....except they only COME more organized. I can download an organizer (or have one come with my 83+ SE) that is comparable to that on a palm.

Sure PalmOS and Pocket PCs can't be programed in the field, but NewtonOS devices most certainly can. I have writen my own graphing calculator on my Newton, and it took me ~15 minutes to get the graphing up and running. This includes debugging.

I will never use Grafitii if I can help it. The Newton's handwriting recognition is far superior in both speed and accuracy. You don't even need to memorize a new alphabet to use it.

No! Not ye dreaded MAC!
Anyway;
Keyboards are easier/faster to use than those pants character recognition things (look at the handwriting thing on OfficeXP!). TIs are definately better. I can do a fair speed on this non-qwerty keyboard (it is quite insane really).

I am actually building a keyboard for my Newton. The HWR will still be my primary method of data entry, but it is much easier to enter non-words with a keyboard.

Wow! I didn't know the Ipaq could emulate SNES games! I want one! Of course, the REAL trick is to port these games to a TI calc...how about playing THe Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on a TI-83+!?!

w00t.

w00t!, not w00t. And PARADE! for what?

You tell me not to add my signature to posts then go around posting worthless "PARADE" items? Hypocrite.

Didn't you say you were leaving?

If you ask me, I'd go for calculators. 1. I've already got one. 2. They're usually cheaper. 3. The games are free. 4. You can make your own organizers or download someone elses if you can't.

w00t!

I made a contact organizer for the 89. it's still in the Q, but it is called Contax in case you want to know. This is taking up space, and I know it well.

Your signature was annoying. The whole parade thing is tolerable.

Why keep you replying like this?

What?

343GuiltySpark: "Hello! and welcome again to the Guilty Spark News! I'm your host, 343GuiltySpark! Today's top story: CalcDrone is back! OH NO!!! At least he doesn't have that annoying signature with him. That's a relief. Maybe Chickendude will disgrace CalcDrone again by saying p00p! (a no_one_2000_ word, to no one's surprise) to him. Our next story: CalcDrone is mad at all the PARADE! posts coming from good folks. Bad CalcDrone! BAD!"

CalcDrone: "Stop attempting to disgreace me or else I will make a new signature! And it will make fun of you all! Especially you, Chickendude!"

Chickendude: "Oh yeah, tough guy? Everyone except you and ravage485 think that you should get out! So get out!

CalcDrone (in baby talk): I don't *sniff* wanna *sob* get out. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I have been disgraced again! (in angry voice) I'll be back, and I'll get you back!!! Have fun."

Chickendude: "BYE! :)"

no_one_2000_: p00p!

well, ravage485 wanted him out so bad the we want him out now

Because annoying he is, yes. Do something about him, we must. His account, we delete?

Yes! Delete we account his, and fast!
p00p! CalcDrone to must we also.

Oh, My Yoda! Yo-Yo-Yo-Yo-Yoda! (With all due respect to Weird Al)

Viva w00t!

I AGREE!

I thought you left! Aw...

I finished prgmBAD for the TI-89!!!!!!!!!!

HOPEFULLY, the archive people will put it in soon along with my invaders game.

could someone tell me what prgmBAD actually is? everyone says it's an awesome game, but since I don't have an 83 and neither the readme or the description says what it does/is, I have no idea.

its sorta like Avalance with different graphics

Basically, it's a game that Chickendude made where you have your little 3pixel ship at the bottom of the screen, and you have to dodge the lines that come down from the top of the screen. The interesting thing about this game is, there are two different mode settings to play in. It's a hard game to explain, but really simple to play. Look under ticalc.org/pub/83/asm/games/ion to find it and for the 82, look under ticalc.org/pub/82/asm/games/crash If you want to play it for the TI-89, you'll have to wait.
It's actually, quite addicting, even though the game is pretty simple.

Thanks! : )

i made a screen shot for the 82

You don't even put your email OR user profile link in your posts! Coward!

I think someone wrote a script somewhere that looks through the board and replies to messages containing the word 'parade'.

PARADE! w00t!





...oh, and p00p!

Didn't woot originate from Starcraft?

No, w00t! came from the early '80s - *long* before StarCraft.

Anyways, Cals are no match for PDAs, especially the Pocket PC Devices not those Palms. I have both Ti Cal and a Pocket PC. Those Pocket PCs are small enough to fit in your pocket, that why they are pocket pcs :-). Calculator just too big and they got giant chips. Pocket PC is a small computer, which is so nice. The colors are brilliant. So clear!!! After I bought a PDA, I don't want to go back to a cal. With a Pocket PC you can connect to the net wireless. Sync web pages to your device to view at later time. Watch multimedia movies and listen to mp3 music. Has built in microphone, which is nice. Calculator sux!!!