i havent looked at the program yet but im sure itll be good. ive never seen bad material from detached solutions

Detached Solutions always has high-quality programs (MirageOS, Calender, Omnicalc, etc.) and the best thing about omnicalc is that it only takes opne app block!

i havnt seen it either, but it sounds handy. is it an OS or a program?? can it (functions) be integrated into TI BASCI programs??

Omnicalc is essentially a program, though it is a "flash application" which gives it some special abilities. There are some functions provided which are available in BASIC programs.

Maybe you would know:
How do they (TI) make the tokens only take up one or two bytes? A picture of the same thing would take up over 200 bytes!

What do you mean "picture of the same thing"? Is it just me, or does anyone else not know what this means?

Perhaps you don't understand all this talk (type?) about tokens. Tokens, in the case of TI-BASIC, are just one- or two-byte values that represent a command or function, such as sin( or PxOn.

All commands are stored as a token and are executed relatively easily by the OS when the program is ran. When you edit a program, the program editor shows the text string which is associated with each token.

Unlike CelSheet which takes up 8 Flash Blocks I think?

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I'm probably really stupid, but what is the whole point of flash apps anyway? from what I have heard about it, it just seems like a way for TI to make some money off some pretty simple programs.

Also, what program does omnicalc run in (I can't figure out what that icon is when you open up the zip folder)?

It's and 83+ Flash APP, so I think its extension is .8xk. You *should* have the latest operating system, which you can get from the link above. Note: upgrading the OS will wipe the contents of your memory--back them up first. Then you should be able to send the APP to your calculator.

I know! I recently upgraded to OS v1.14 and it cleared my RAM but not my Archived memory. Luckily, I had all my Programs backed up.

Flash Apps are just programs that run directly out of Flash, and reside on always the same place in memory, so you can use all kinds of cool hooks.
I have it since yesterday, and it really RoCkS!

yeah I know what the apps are, but is there really an advantage to them over just regular programs that can be sent to other calcs?

No garbage collecting, more programming options (like key hooks), etc.

You can make new things like font sets

(use the program at the link above)

cooooooooooooooooooooooooool

cooooooooooooooooooooooooool

that sounds really cool. But how can you make fonts for Windows? Like regular fonts? (I talk with bad english because I failed english just kidding hahahaha)

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

Woodnt cont on thaht!!!

Me think that Broken English is universal langauge.

Me thinked math is universal langauge .....

Me be thought chickenscratch is universal language!!!

me think l33t talk be universal language.

w00t!

lol!

Too bad the 86 doesn't have flash support ... otherwise it'd be better than the 83+!!! (As if it isn't already :P) We could also do even more cool stuff with BASIC assuming apps like Omnicalc were made. Oh well. I'll just pray to God that TI will release a TI-86+ with Flash.

The 86 is far better than the 83+. It has all sorts of calculus things that any calcs below it can only dream of (except for symbolic diff., but I'm working on that). Also, we 86 people do have something a bit like Omnicalc. It is called asapXCmd, and it adds a bunch of nice new commands such as a base x logarithm (I know, ln(x)/ln(b), but this is faster), and flag manipulation.

With all these new programs coming out for the 83+, I'd have to say that, even though the 86 is better, the gap is closing. If integration was added to the 83+ I'd have to say it'd be better than the 86.

Also, asapXCmd is extremely nice (ord(), chr(), logx(), str()), but once you run it you can't run any assembly games (at least none of the ones I tried).

I don't know ... I've never had any problems with asapXCmd. I think the main problem with the 86 is that there aren't too many programmers for it. If the 86 had as large a following as the 83+ or 89, then people would see its benefits.

There have been many new and innovative programs for ALL of the calcs recently. Have you noticed this too?

I've been pondering on this for a while now, on how calc asm programming has matured over the years and there is a new wave of programmers coming along now. A lot of the original programmers are not with us anymore. I consider myself to be in this new generation of assembly programmers.

Comments are welcome. Flames are not.

*pulls out his flamethrower*
WHOOSH!!!!
*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH*
*walks away*

That's okay. I put on my asbestos longjohns just for people/monkeys like you.

Have fun with cancer.

LINT!!

heh. Just a little survey, (ticalc.org shud use this one)

Have you (are you trying) to make an oncalc assembler for the 83+?

1) Yes
2) No
3) Whats an assembler
4) I don't do asm
5) I made one in BASIC but every1 ignored it!

I'm #5;P It sux tho

ive been thinking about making one for the 82, unless there already is one...

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I normally use an archaic information storage and transmission device called pencil and paper!

or type it on the calc and then copy/paste to the compiler (on the computer)...

i did that once, i made it all capitals, and made sure all of the lines were 15 chars or less, and saved it as a basic program.

I also do that. I even sometimes write C programs on my TI-86, but if you notice, there's no way to type a semicolon (;). I just type ":," and do find/replace on the computer. It works fine.

i redid the include file so it doesent use the underscore.

the bad part of this is of curse, theres no way to debug

What include file?

For compiling the program! (like #include ion.inc)

I sometimes use the 89 to write 83+ asm programs (I don't know 89 asm at all...)

Wait, do you mean you use the 89 include file, or write asm on the 89, send to computer to compile? I like Re:'s.

i think it would be cool for ppl who program in assembly, but because i dont, i dont really care.

its a good idea though

see link above

ti CANT make an 86+, because there already is an .8xp!!

Doesn't matter ... Ever heard of .8yp? Didn't think so. Besides, x doesn't have to stand for +. When I first saw it, I thought it stood for any number, so it would be for each calculator.

or just 86p (whatever it is now) because the programs would probably be compatible if all you want is flash ROM...

If it were possible to modify the OS and then somehow integrate Flash ROM into the hardware, we could make our own TI-86+.

I did it!!!!
I cracked TI's RSA and the MD5 used for the os transfers. right now i am working on a.... Linux OS for the ti-83+ se.aand you can still put the old os on because of ti's real rom that can't be written over that when you take out a batterie hold del and but the batterie in the calc itll say please send os software or the like

this woulnt be a problem they would just mnaske it x6p(86+ prog), x8i(picture), x6y(equation), x6l(list), x6g(groupfile), etc. replace the 8 with an x but leave in the 6

Fonts for Windows are insanely complicated. The simplest type - the only one I'm familiar with - is the "bitmap" font file, with extension .FON. These are, I believe, single resource DLLs which contain a resource of type FONT. Tools for creating these are included in most new Windows IDEs, such as Borland and MS Visual C++, and I would refer to that program's documentation.
The other, more widely used type of font is the TrueType font, which is defined in a much more complex manner. I have no idea how you would go about creating such a file; you need a special program (I think Macromedia makes one.)

Has anyone notices that window can handle 4 letter extension (program.86xp)?

Windows 95 and up can handle extensions of any length (up to the limit of filename length - 2). Of course, that's not as good as Un*x's standard filesystem, which allows names to contain 254 different characters (all but NULL (0) and slash ('/')) and up to 255 characters in length.

winxp lets me have the file name 1.23456789012345678901234567890123456789
0123456789012345678901234567890123456789
0123456789012345678901234567890123456789
0123456789012345678901234567890123456789
(no spaces)

Micro$haft Winblow$ XPee you mean?

hey, ive heard of microshaft winblows!

yes, they can handle 5 letter extension too! (i.e. - .class)

did you know that although it is the deafault, and more comonly used font TIMES NEW ROMAN is a much more complicated font and bigger file (times.ttf)

You do not loose them when you pull your batteries. Also, they can be sent to other calculators, unless they are Apps that TI charges money for.

I had to pull my batteries once when my TI83+ froze. I was running Omnicalc at the time!!!
P.S. You can Send programs too...
But I still like apps

I said that they can be sent to other calcs because the guy above me said

> yeah I know what the apps are, but is there really
> an advantage to them over just regular programs
> that can be sent to other calcs?

implying that apps could not be transmitted.