Hmmm...maybe I'll wait until the school year starts, since I will be doing AP Calc...

Or until I get a job, whichever comes first/easiest.

Did we decide if we need a new archive folder for the 89Ti or not? I don't remember and am too lazy to check.

I don't have one yet, but from what Amazon says it looks like the kickstand is standard, not like the article here said.

It said that the kickstand is PROBABLY not standard.

The package did not come with a kickstand.

I do not want to look like an anti-TI activist, but there is no real difference between this and the Voyage 200 or the Ti-92+ (same memory, etc.), except that it looks like a TI-89, and that it is allowed on tests.

>> "except ... that it is allowed on tests.

And that's exactly why I'm getting it. :-)

And if the test requires calculator memories to be reset, looks like you're in the same boat as others with regular 89's.

That obstacle can be avoided.

Nobody can MAKE you reset your memory... but you can always make them think that you did :-D

But they can void your test or take your calculator away. At least, they can around here...

Semi-insider info: Have you ever heard of TestGaurd?

You won't find it just searching TI's site, they protected it. You also can't download it unless you are a teacher.

It's a simple app where you connect two calculators together and run the app on the Teacher's calc and it forces a FULL (RAM/FLASH/APP) reset and you loose everything.

Trust me, it exists, and it works (I tested to make sure myself). I was forced to help my teacher install it for the Texas TAKS test at our school.

Hiding your programs donesn't work either. If you ever encounter this App, I hope you've backed up your calc the day before.

Just in case you are seriously curious, check the link at the top of this message.

And if you think you can, I know how to defeat it (despite what TI claims); however, I have not the time or resources to do so. Contact me if you want info. QBMAN321@aol.com

I have. A teacher brought it to school one day and started using it on all te TI-83+'s just before a test.

Luckily, I had my test on the day after, so I spent the night making a counter-measure.

It worked so well that it ended up crashing my teachers calc, and causing it to clear the appvar!!!

For details, email or MSN me.

Hmmm.... Looks like an 83+ app. I am going back to no_one's responce, at least for the 89.

Now, honestly, who has ever had a standardized test proctor that know anything about checking calc's? I sure have not. I don't think you really have anything to worry about on that front.

-W-

Well, that isn't exactly stealthy, but that would work too. My idea is to keep the teacher from suspecting anything by just faking the mem clear. Though, I would have loved to see your teacher's face when their calc crashed and erased instead. Maybe you should upload your countermeasure here for others to use.

Also, I believe that versions of this program was made for calculators other than the 83 series, but I'm not sure. (I think the 89 and 92 have versions, but the 85 and 86 might be save). Or maybe this was a program designed to be run from the 83 that could clear the memory on any calc above, but not including, the regular 83. I can't seem to remember, but the link in the previous post should take you to some instruction manuals (if you coul call them more than a mere few pages).

Well, one thing to keep in mind: this program couldn't be too complicated because our teachers have to be able to use it even if they can't seem to do much else with a TI-83+.

ive had testguard used on me twice...one time i had to program on-the-fly to get an answer...the other time i was luckier. The teacher was going down by rows, and my friend and I were right next to each other...so I sent all my files to his calculator...and right after the teacher cleared mine, i retrieved my files. And then we did the same for his calc. An alternative for the serious cheater (kind of) would be to bring two calculators and have the MEM of one cleared, then use the other one. ***Not recommended, for obvious reasons.

Well I've got that covered since no teacher has an 89 at my school and I know of only one other person with a regular 89 (who got it for $20...grrr) and she knows nothing about technology

But V200's are forbidden on way more tests that the 89 because of the QWERTY keyboard.

Actually, the Voyage 200 has many more times the memory of the TI 92+.

OOPS...

How low do you think the price for a new standard TI-89 will drop? If I could get one for signifigantly less, I would chose it over a titanium.

Excuse me? Why choose the orginial TI-89 while getting a TI-89 Titanium (expensive) while the new TI-89 T. has about 3x more Flash ROM? Well, that way, you could download more APPS and maybe more games, math, and other misc. stuff to your calculator.

I'd definately get a TI-89T since it's worth it (rather than the TI-92(+) Family or a Voyage 200, don't you think?)

Some of us actually use our calculators for math and don't need tons of memory for games. Amazing concept, isn't it?

I myself haven't put anything new on my 89 for several months (just updates to a couple of programs).

89 Ti is faster too.

Faster than what?

Is it? I always thought it had the same processor speed as the normal 89.

It does...

It does? I was assuming that since the 83+SE was faster then the 83+ the the new 89 will be faster too. Maybe I should think before I speak...

Sorry, that was suppost to be "that the" not "the the". I must look really stupid by now.

"the 83+ the the"

No, it's okay, I knew what you meant :)

I agree with you 100%-I downloaded a package of >300 mathematical functions from another website.

I'm sticking with my regular 89 because the Titanium is unattractive. Also, a smaller memory forces the user to be selective and not fill his calculator with a lot of junk. (At least, in my experience.)

Yeah. The more stuff I put on my 83+, the more it seems to crash.