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Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Posted by Magnus on 25 October 1999, 14:24 GMT

As any regular visitor to our site knows, there have recently been a lot of controversy about the comments on our newsboard. In accordance with our site policy, we have deleted comments that we have considered to be in violation of the guidelines or completely off topic. This has rewarded us with everything from "thank you"-notices to being called communists. It has also taken up a lot of valuable time from our staff members.

It was clear that something had to be done about the situation. As we saw it, we had three alternatives. We have tried the first one, are right now trying the second one, and would like to avoid the third one if possible.

The first one was to disable the posting permissions for the people who posted most off-topic or abusive articles (which accounts were affected is not relevant here). Naturally, this was done after multiple warnings to the persons in question. This was done a couple of weeks ago, the result of which each person can evaluate for themselves. The trial was in force around Oct 9th to Oct 19th.

The second one is the one we are trying now. For this two week period, we will no longer delete off-topic posts. We will let any kind of discussion go on. We will still delete articles that are clearly out to disrupt the page layout (such as 10 pages of blank lines), or that can be considered illegal or highly inappropriate (such as pornography links or anything like that). Apart from that, anything goes. Please note that there is no change in our policy as to what we will answer in this. We will still not answer off-topic posts. If you want to get in touch with the staff, use e-mail.
This trial will run from the posting of this article for two weeks, and will close on Nov 7th.

The third option, which we would like to avoid but will have to fall back to unless the situation is resolved, is to turn off the commenting on our news articles. News would continue to be posted, but the user commenting would be disabled. Discussions would be referred to the mailinglists where appropriate. While we think that this would remove value from our site, there is a limit to how much we can provide as a free service, and we have been pushing close to that limit.

Once the current trial is over, on Nov 7th, a survey will be posted, in which we will ask you, our visitors, which way you think we should handle the situation. The survey will be open for one week. This survey will be purely suggestional - we will make the decision based on the result of that survey and based on what we think at that time ourselves. The survey is not decision-binding. However, we can guarantee that the result of the survey (as well as the result of the trial in whole) will have great influence on the decision.

We have been accused (by certain parties, as far as we have noticed it is not a general concern, but we would still like to address it here) of not listening to the voice of our community. We feel that this has not been the case before, and certainly will not be in this case. But as usual, we ask you to send your constructive comments to our staff directly at news@ticalc.org (assuming it is about our news system). We do not constantly monitor our comment board for site suggestions. We do, however, keep all mail we receive to the appropriate mailing addresses, and we take into consideration every idea that is proposed to us.

We regret that the situation has gone as far as it has. Any other suggestions on how to deal with it are very welcome - drop us a mail anytime.

 


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What? No lines?
Dan_the_Tuba_Man  Account Info

[The text of this article has been removed by a news editor due to violation of the acceptable use policy.]

     26 October 1999, 01:47 GMT

Lines?!?!?!
Miquel Burns
(Web Page)

What in the world are you talking?
Are you talking about some calculator program?

:-\

     26 October 1999, 02:12 GMT


Re: What? No lines?
meingts Account Info

Animal, vegetable, or mineral?

     26 October 1999, 07:34 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Etec Account Info
(Web Page)

It's better to talk in a real time forum (chat room). Why doesn't anyone make a page or site or add to a site a chat. Cussing out flamers is fun, espically in real time.

     26 October 1999, 02:25 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Adam Berlinsky-Schine  Account Info
(Web Page)

How about IRC? There are already several established channels on IRC devoted (more or less) to TI Calculators. Those already exist; the advantage to these comment boards is that the comments stay here for a while; on IRC people say things and then forget about them :)

     26 October 1999, 03:24 GMT

This Message Board Can't Handle a Monster Chain
Dan_the_Tuba_Man  Account Info

Comeone every body! I bet this board can't handle even a chaing that is 100 posts in length. It will never handle a moster chain! Muahahahahah!

     26 October 1999, 02:36 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
XoBoFNi
(Web Page)

I think this needs to be said... Magnus is a evil, caniving robot... with 8 arms and a head made out of a 83&85 combined... didn't u know?

     26 October 1999, 03:20 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Somehow I find that funny...

     26 October 1999, 03:31 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

Never had an 83. 85&82 would put you closer to the truth.... (No comments on how close)

     26 October 1999, 11:39 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Mike Knapp  Account Info
(Web Page)

so, what are the 7 words that are always banned?
fuck, shit, cock, cunt, bitch, fuck, fuck?

im not really fucking sure, but i think fuck is on the list, would anyone care to fucking help me figure this out? itd be fucking appreciated, thanks.

     26 October 1999, 03:54 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Adamw  Account Info
(Web Page)

I actually just watched Howard Stern's private parts and the seven words are: cocksucker, motherfucker, fuck, shit, cock, cunt, and pussy.

     26 October 1999, 04:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
ionix
(Web Page)

OH SHIT... SOMEONE SAID PUSSY? DOES THAT MEAN THAT BONDAGE AND SADOMASOCHISM GO WITH THAT? WHAT THE FUCK AM I WrItInG this for? fuck... i really need 2 get a fucking life... motha fuckers at this site are full of calculator shit.... i'll bet there shit looks like fucking gay ass calculaters. FUck Calculators, Fuck Howard Stern, and Fuck bad boy records as a mother fucking whole.

     26 October 1999, 05:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
ionix
(Web Page)

Oh yeah, and fuck the fucking cock sucker who fucking deletes my fucking comments...

     26 October 1999, 05:14 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
brentes
(Web Page)

haha.. obviously not censored

     27 October 1999, 04:00 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
levine  Account Info

There was nothing wrong with the 'old' system, as far as the common user could tell. If this fails, go back to that.

Eliminating the message boards as a whole would be a foolish thing to do. Try instituting an 'abuse' system; users who feel one particular user (Beasty? that an(_)s guy) is making a mockery of the system can report him, along with whatever pieces of evidence are required. If the operators feel the evidence is strong enough, institute a week long ban on posting and flag the user. After that week is gone, if more abuse is reported, and backed up by the operators, permanently ban the user.

Feedback on this method? Anarchy, as has been observed in this thread, will not work. 135 replies or so at the time of this posting is _too_ _much_ for such a frivolous topic. Imagine what would happen on something like "TI Announces 85+"? It's just too much to wade through.

Levine

     26 October 1999, 03:57 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

This is not anarchy. This is free speech.

And there was plenty wrong with the old system. Comments were being deleted just because the staff didn't agree with what the poster was saying. (And no, no one was saying ANYONE was gay. Lets get beyond the gay thing Chris..)

     26 October 1999, 16:21 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

Hardly frivolous, I'd say. This is an important step for ticalc.org and its community.

~ferich

     27 October 1999, 08:14 GMT

One Comment
jamin  Account Info

One comment is all we should need. Everyone should think long and hard about what they are posting, how it is related to the news topic, how others will be effected by it, and why they are posting it. Posting a large quantity of spur of the moment messages clutters up the discussion board and offends so many people. We need to think before we type.

     26 October 1999, 04:20 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
ericb  Account Info

Personally I think all of the comments from Bryan should be deleted since he is so very annoying. I haven't seen him post anything productive at any point in time and all he seems to do is whine about leaving Ticalc.org, correct grammar, and complain in general.

Plus he seems to have no life whatsoever choosing instead to monitor message boards 24/7. Granted, this isn't exactly relevant, but I was thinking that.

OK, I'm done. Let the rebuttals begin.

By the way I even typed this up in MS Word to spell and grammar check it for you....

     26 October 1999, 04:20 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

<sarcasism>
I think all comments made by erich should be deleted, just because I say so.
</sarcasism>

Gee, that made a lot of sense.

     26 October 1999, 05:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

No, Bryan, that's not me. I thought it was the first time I saw his name, too. Note his name is ericb, not erich.

~ferich

     26 October 1999, 06:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

You well know what I meant. :) 'b's start to look like 'h's at 1600x1200.

     26 October 1999, 07:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I run my screen just under that in resolution (I couldn't handle 1600x1200, it was too hard on my eyes), and I thought the same thing. Hey, that's me!!! Oh wait, no it's not.

BTW, did you think that was just another account I had?

~ferich

     26 October 1999, 17:20 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

No, I didn't think that was you.

     27 October 1999, 00:44 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
deuist Account Info

And Beasty should be banned

     26 October 1999, 05:26 GMT


Down with Beasty!
Vasantha Crabb  Account Info
(Web Page)

Get rid of Beasty!

If he can't say anything productive, he can't say anything at all!

     27 October 1999, 09:51 GMT


Up with Beasty!
beasty  Account Info
(Web Page)

SHUTUP! Loser. hahaha. Now that's productive.

beasty

     27 October 1999, 22:06 GMT


Who cares about Beasty?
SRJ  Account Info
(Web Page)

Why don't you people just let demented people to their own sad illusions?

     27 October 1999, 23:18 GMT

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