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Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Posted by Magnus on 25 October 1999, 14:24 GMT

As any regular visitor to our site knows, there have recently been a lot of controversy about the comments on our newsboard. In accordance with our site policy, we have deleted comments that we have considered to be in violation of the guidelines or completely off topic. This has rewarded us with everything from "thank you"-notices to being called communists. It has also taken up a lot of valuable time from our staff members.

It was clear that something had to be done about the situation. As we saw it, we had three alternatives. We have tried the first one, are right now trying the second one, and would like to avoid the third one if possible.

The first one was to disable the posting permissions for the people who posted most off-topic or abusive articles (which accounts were affected is not relevant here). Naturally, this was done after multiple warnings to the persons in question. This was done a couple of weeks ago, the result of which each person can evaluate for themselves. The trial was in force around Oct 9th to Oct 19th.

The second one is the one we are trying now. For this two week period, we will no longer delete off-topic posts. We will let any kind of discussion go on. We will still delete articles that are clearly out to disrupt the page layout (such as 10 pages of blank lines), or that can be considered illegal or highly inappropriate (such as pornography links or anything like that). Apart from that, anything goes. Please note that there is no change in our policy as to what we will answer in this. We will still not answer off-topic posts. If you want to get in touch with the staff, use e-mail.
This trial will run from the posting of this article for two weeks, and will close on Nov 7th.

The third option, which we would like to avoid but will have to fall back to unless the situation is resolved, is to turn off the commenting on our news articles. News would continue to be posted, but the user commenting would be disabled. Discussions would be referred to the mailinglists where appropriate. While we think that this would remove value from our site, there is a limit to how much we can provide as a free service, and we have been pushing close to that limit.

Once the current trial is over, on Nov 7th, a survey will be posted, in which we will ask you, our visitors, which way you think we should handle the situation. The survey will be open for one week. This survey will be purely suggestional - we will make the decision based on the result of that survey and based on what we think at that time ourselves. The survey is not decision-binding. However, we can guarantee that the result of the survey (as well as the result of the trial in whole) will have great influence on the decision.

We have been accused (by certain parties, as far as we have noticed it is not a general concern, but we would still like to address it here) of not listening to the voice of our community. We feel that this has not been the case before, and certainly will not be in this case. But as usual, we ask you to send your constructive comments to our staff directly at news@ticalc.org (assuming it is about our news system). We do not constantly monitor our comment board for site suggestions. We do, however, keep all mail we receive to the appropriate mailing addresses, and we take into consideration every idea that is proposed to us.

We regret that the situation has gone as far as it has. Any other suggestions on how to deal with it are very welcome - drop us a mail anytime.

 


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Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
XoBoFNi
(Web Page)

BIGVOTE! click on the webpage like above! go there! vote for you favorite site! go now!

     26 October 1999, 05:13 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Ron! Account Info
(Web Page)

Does anyone realize that this is a profound waste of time? I just spent like a hour and a half reading a million pointless comments!! I for one hope TIcalc doesn't keep this! And I hope that they don't do away with this all together either! That's just my 2 cents worth.

For an on topic part:
I own a TI-86, and have owned a '82, '83 my brother has a '83+, and I'm getting an '89 soon.

Couldn't we spend our time doing something more productive here??

Ron!

     26 October 1999, 05:40 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Doing away with the comment boards all-together wouldn't do ticalc.org any good. Their requests per week would be cut in half at least!

     26 October 1999, 07:42 GMT

Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Patrick Davidson  Account Info
(Web Page)

I have an idea for helping to limit the annoyances on message boards without having to remove any posts:

Each user should be able to specify an ignore list in his or her user preferences. Whenever a user views the web page while logged in to his or her account, all message from people on the user's ignore list, and (maybe this should be optional) all replies to them, should not be shown. This would allow users to filter out whichever threads they don't like (it's unlikely that anyone really wants to see the replies to posts from people they want to block), preventing the page from being cluttered with unwelcome annoyances, and shouldn't be seen as unfair to anyone.

It also might help to encourage people to start new threads whenever they change the subject of discussion (so they won't be arbitrarily blocked) rather than replying to a thread of a different topic. This is probably a good thing, since it discourages changing the topic within a thread, which makes it harder to find the posts one is looking for.

     26 October 1999, 07:23 GMT

Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

The main problem with this that sticks out in my mind is that the pages would have to be generated on-the-fly instead of pre-generated every 5 minutes. That would take a lot of CPU time, maybe more than they can spare.

Unless, however, they managed to convert the system to some spiffy JavaScript or CSS.

     26 October 1999, 07:41 GMT

Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

I'd say this is a very good idea. We have a couple of other ideas 'lined up' for user customisation, and I'll be sure to add this one to the list.
However, I doubt it will stand on it's own. Plus, like Bryan says, it requires either a lot of more work on the server side, or redoing some of this with javscript or DHTML (css should not help us, I think. I may be wrong). Then there is just the problem of browser compatibility to think of. Yikes.
Anyway. It's now on our list. Can't tell you for sure it will be done or when, but we'll keep it in mind.

     26 October 1999, 11:43 GMT


Re: Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
brentes
(Web Page)

Heh! CSS is just for formatting... I think javascript is a no, because some client sides don't have it. Perl would be the best bet. It's easy to search and replace things and find banned people :)

     27 October 1999, 04:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

But perl is server-side, and Magnus already said that would be bad, (i.e. - would take up a lot of resources).

     27 October 1999, 08:32 GMT

Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

I just have to say that I like that idea. I hope that if they use JavaScript in their webpage design, it doesn't take forever to load. Take a look at my college's homepage to see a bad example of Java at work (I'm on a network, it's in my cache, and it still takes 4 seconds to start Java!!!) Also, I love Pheonix3.9 for the 89! It rocks my world!

~ferich

     26 October 1999, 17:25 GMT


Re: Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Andy Selle  Account Info
(Web Page)

Don't worry, we'll never use a java applet on our page. JavaScript is completely different and would not slow down the page significantly.

     26 October 1999, 21:06 GMT


Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Satan WoRsHiPpEr  Account Info

thats a good idea (screw all u ppl with aol or 14400 modems haha

     26 October 1999, 20:38 GMT


Re: Re: Idea: Ignore Lists in User Preferences
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yeah, maybe that'll teach the AOLers to get a real ISP!! :) Steve Case already makes too much money. I'm not saying by using IE5, let's all give Bill Gates some of Steve Case's money, he actually makes some stuff that's useful (minus Windoze). Let's face it, IE is way better than Netscape by any definition.

~ferich
WAYYYYYYY OFFFFFF TOPICCCCC

     26 October 1999, 22:04 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Satan WoRsHiPpEr  Account Info

this whole thing is dumb. Ticalc should just delete all the ones full of __________----------------__________ but ignore the cussing i mean if you really want a perfect site go to sesame street . com or something!

     26 October 1999, 20:26 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
brentes
(Web Page)

I agree

     27 October 1999, 04:04 GMT


ME AGAIN
Satan WoRsHiPpEr  Account Info

CANT WE WASTE OUR TIME PLAYING CALCULATOR GAMES AND NOT HAVING "TOTAL ANARCHY"? ANARCHY? YA RIGHT< THIS IS A FREAKING WEB PAGE. ANARCHY? I THINK NOT
(and yes to all u nitpicking fags i can use not caps!)

     28 October 1999, 00:29 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
The_Professor Account Info

This news item has the most posts I've ever seen on a news item. Is that a result of the "newsboard anarchy" or just response to the news of the "Newsboard Anarchy Trial"?

I have a TI-86, and want to know wheter I should get a TI-92+, TI-89, both, or neither. I am a sophmore in highschool

{248th comment!}

     26 October 1999, 22:03 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

1) A little from column A and a little from column B.
2) Keep the 86 until junior year. Then get an 89. (unless you're in precalc now, then get the 89 right away)

--BlueCalx

     26 October 1999, 22:46 GMT

Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

Loading this page has crashed three different browsers on three differently configured PC's at my school, all on a T3 line.
Joy. :)

--BlueCalx

     26 October 1999, 22:33 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
raw33 Account Info

Congratulations!

     26 October 1999, 22:39 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Loading this page has never crashed my browser, and I'm on a fractional/shared T1.

     27 October 1999, 01:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

Your computer is a P3 costing some obscene sum of money.
At school, we run off P133's, best-case, with the exception of the G3's, which are far worse.

--BlueCalx

     27 October 1999, 04:21 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

I have no trouble loading this page, as I too run a P3 with a crapload of RAM (on a 10Mbit ethernet connection, too). I feel sorry for you, Nick. :)

~ferich

     27 October 1999, 08:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

How much RAM?

     27 October 1999, 15:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

Ummm...128MB I think. It's my roommate's computer.

~ferich

     28 October 1999, 08:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

I have 256mb. Na na na :-)

     28 October 1999, 17:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

See Nick's post a little ways down about his computer.

~ferich

     29 October 1999, 07:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

My P3 also kick's your computer's ass. :)

     27 October 1999, 08:33 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Adam Berlinsky-Schine  Account Info
(Web Page)

I am highly offended by your misuse of an apostrophe. It's very unprofessional and shows the incompetancy of tiuser.

Please don't delete this comment.

     27 October 1999, 21:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Excuse me? It shows the incompetancy of what?

     28 October 1999, 17:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

I had to work for two months to get the money to purchase my computer. You, however, got the money (over five times as much as I earned) from your parents as a birthday present. Your suburban and cocky attitude towards money [expletive]ing appalls me, Bryan. I'd love to see people like you get somehow forced to fend for themselves. I'd love to see how you'd survive without any money. I'm not saying I'm destitute (I'm not), but you should really open your eyes and try to comprehend the world outside yours.
Perhaps you'd finally learn something.

--BlueCalx

     28 October 1999, 02:26 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

A final note:
My computer and all its components cost not over $700 over two months to purchase.
Bryan's computer cost about $4,000, according to his web page. It is far better than mine (and most).
Logically following, this means I am a lesser person and should be treated as such. From now on, I have lost the will to live because of Bryan's higher ranking in the social ladder. He is privileged; I am not; therefore, I must be a worse person.
Read Emily Bronte's "Wuthering Heights" for more information -- I'm Heathcliff :P

--BlueCalx

     28 October 1999, 02:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

How did you get $4,000?

     28 October 1999, 17:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

Because it was listed on your page until you deleted it.

--BlueCalx

     28 October 1999, 22:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

I never put the words "$4,000" on my page.

     29 October 1999, 14:42 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

It wasn't a birthday present. It was a graduation gift for having a final GPA of 4.0 and being valedictorian.

     28 October 1999, 17:42 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Adam Berlinsky-Schine  Account Info
(Web Page)

"Gee Chris, you totally ignored my comment. Are you ever going to tell me whether that comment is real and you meant every word of it, or have you changed your mind? Can't you answern that simple question for me?"
- Bryan Rabeler, October 26, 1999

Hmm... isn't that exactly what you're doing here? First, about 250 posts ago in this same discussion board, you bash Chris for changing the topic ("ignoring" your comment) and then you do the same thing to Nick? I beleive that Nick's main point was not the REASON for your parents giving you a large sum of money, but the fact that they did give it to you (etc, etc.)

     28 October 1999, 21:42 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

It's also nice that Bryan just proved my point, seeing as he decided to be cocky and mention that he was valedictorian in his class with a 4.0 GPA. It's nice to see that you're so perfect, Bryan. It makes me realize my place in the world. I will be subject to only the noisiest and/or hottest of jobs because I have a 3.87 and I'm 66th in a class of 505, and the fact that I got a 1460 and 33 on my SAT and ACT respectively. In conclusion, I suck. I will never amount to anything. I will spend the rest of my days eating small rats on the corner of Lower Wacker Drive and Wabash in downtown Chicago.

--BlueCalx

     28 October 1999, 23:01 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
beasty  Account Info
(Web Page)

Ehhhhh. I am blazed!!!! HEHEH. Um you two should fight and then like do someoahdfoai shit an den you can ban him from the site.... yeah!


love ya!!!!!!!!@#!#!@)(*&#()@Y|OJ NP!*Y#IUJ !@NKJ HE*&@!# GF!OI@#:LK#H O@G#BH!LKJ@#


beastyyy yyyyyyyy

     28 October 1999, 23:30 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
DOZIEDO  Account Info
(Web Page)

People that work for their possessions, UNITE!!!

Bryan, I dig you and your fly-ass computer, but take note I agree with Nick on one thing. You got 4k for getting good grades. Good job, pat on the back. However, my first computer was a Macintosh 512k. Used that for 4 years. Next was a Macintosh Performa 630CD @33MHz. Used that for nearly 6 years. I did web pages and developed graphics with what I could. I used those computers until they died. I just recently got a decent computer, a PIII 450 Gateway. What is my point? After 10 years of working with absolute shit, I get a good computer. I worked for it. I tried my hardest for school, I saved money, I put countless hours into begging my parents (heehee ;) and it finally paid off. You, on the other hand, get $4000 for making it through highschool and getting good grades. Don't get me wrong, you might have deserved it, but Nick is right, you *work* for what you get, my parents would die before they gave me $4000 just for good grades. I'm not rich.

On another note, I think that 400 comments is ridiculous and I hope this anarchy trial period is over fast because it draws up some of the scum from the bottom of the TI-community (flamebait? most definitely). Oh well, peace.

U-N-I-T-E

     29 October 1999, 02:33 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Adam Berlinsky-Schine  Account Info
(Web Page)

(Reply to your "another note":)

I don't think the reason that there's 400+ comments is because it's anarchy, it's just because people have a lot to say about the issue. Look at the other two articles posted since this one, they have a sane number of comments. Sure, a few of the comments would not have been acceptable under the old system, but the majority (maybe "majority" is stretching it...) of the comments posted are constructive.

     29 October 1999, 02:54 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Even though I may differ with you on the amount that my computer cost, I'll use the 4k figure for the time being.

I didn't just get 4k for getting good grades. I got 4k for getting good grades, perfect grades, for four straight years. It's a lot of work. I'm not going to argue anymore about whether my parents should have done it or not.

And if you look at the other news items posted after this one, you'll see that this news item is an exception.

     29 October 1999, 14:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

I was merely stating the reason why my parents gave me money for a computer. You were the one that brought up this subject, not me.

I never said you were any worse than I am. We went to different high schools. It's hard to compare anyway.

     29 October 1999, 14:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

I'm not ignoring any question from Nick. I was simply correcting something that he said.

     29 October 1999, 14:44 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Rackford Smith  Account Info
(Web Page)

T3 sucks ass!!! I've got fucking DSL

     27 October 1999, 02:48 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
The_Professor  Account Info

This page hasn't crashed any browsers on my computer (exept when I went to print preview to see how many pages it would be), and I am on a _shared_ (home network) 56k modem (and a slow one at that).

{|288th Comment|}

     27 October 1999, 03:04 GMT

Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
aardvarq  Account Info
(Web Page)

Hmm... weird. The page won't load on my 85 or 86. And I only get the first 10% or so on my 89. Oh well. At least it works on all my boxen.

     27 October 1999, 10:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yeah, the IE built into my TI-89 doesn't load this page, either. I have too many games on it, resulting in about 100K of user RAM. Last time I checked, this page was about 800K in size. That'll probably explain why. :)

~ferich

     28 October 1999, 08:09 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Adam Berlinsky-Schine  Account Info
(Web Page)

It works fine on my 56K, on a P2 266 box with more problems than TI-Files :p

     27 October 1999, 21:06 GMT

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