I must really agree with what ticalc.org is doing here. I like seeing what other people have said about a specific news item, but I don't like having to see the numerous threads about who the real Eugene is. This is a free service people, but that doesn't meaan that you have to treat it as such. We are all guests at this site everytime we visit it, some more than others at times, so treat it like your grandmother, (no offense to those that no longer have them). Don't say lude and crude things, as there are some very young kids that do come to this site, and I personally don't think that they need to see stuff like that. It is wrong, and I believe that the TI community should be more mature than this.

Glen

Haha.. I remember that thread about the Eugenes. It was really funny, even though it was way off-topic.

It would be nice indeed if the TI graphing calculator community were more mature. I fear, however, that this goal is impossible. Surely we all know that our community encompasses a wide age range -- everybody from "tweens" to teens to college graduates. Hopefully, we can assume to the last to be fairly mature, but we cannot expect that from the former two. As graphing calculators become more popular, there are more gamers and fewer programmers. Obviously, most of the people attending this site are GAMERS-ONLY. Now you may think that I've suddenly begun on a totally irrelevant issue. Think again. When you're simply young "calc gamer," you're not likely to say anything intelligent other than game programming suggestions. Anything else you're posting is silly, immature trash that only serves to pollute ticalc.

Hmm.. but no one ever said there was anything wrong with 'game programming suggestions'. (I interpret that as comments that say "This game was cool" or "This game was bad, but could be improved if...")

The problem I see with the comment board is this:

If you're a basic programmer, you use the basic mailing list.

If you're an assembly programmer, you use the assembly mailing list.

If you hate the site, you send tons of complaint email to Nick. (J/K :) )

I imagine that if a group of kids wanted to complain about a game, they'd either go in a channel on the IRC, or would use this comment board...

Ticalc.org seems to have most areas of interest convered in other areas of their site besides the comment board. Aside from comments about games and alot of unrelated stuff (some fun, some not) there is little purpose for the comment board.

I like this comment board, but if someone comes in here looking for only relevant, on-topic material, they should definately consider going to a more specific part of ticalc.org than the comment board, unless they wish to wade through tons of comments.

right, but the point here is that this is a comment board. this is meant to be on-topic and directing people to other places to answer their questions envoling the topic of discussion is absolutly the worng thing to do. while i can see your point about how basic programmers should contact the basic mailing list and assembly programmers contacting their respectabel list, if the topic happens to be the release of a new assembly game, then posting comments here about that game is perfectly fine. when you start getting to the point of people saying "wow. this game is cool! can you port it to the 86/83/83+/89/92/92+ it becomes a matter of directing to the mailing lists. if the topic is about what games you think should be ported then posting about porting is allright

please let me know how you feel about the issue

JakeGuilbo@home.com

jake

Correct, the comment boards are really not an ideal place to seek help. They are only up on the front page for maybe 3-8 days, depending on how often news is posted. After a news item goes off the front page, most people don't load the page much and comment posting basically comes to a halt. The comment boards are more for people to post their reaction to the news and to offer their opinions. If you want help, try e-mailing someone or subscribe to a mailing list.

<serious>

I would hope that we could expect everyone to be more mature about this. I don't see why teens and "tweens" should be held to a lower standard than college students and older. Is that saying that it is okay if we swear and act like adamw (Yes, I know you apologized) because we are not mature college people? I hope not.

I choose not to make obscene or vulgar comments because it is rather rude and objectionable to many people (Including myself). I hope other people choose to do the same so the message boards can stay as they are and there won't be a need for revoking posting abilities (which I agree with, by the way, only if it happens to the people who swear or otherwise violate the rules) The rules, of course, should be spelled out and not "unwritten."

</serious>

Oh, by the way, learn how to spell grammar :->

This is more of free speech than anarchy I guess but here goes. TI-FILES SUCKS ASS!!! I GO TO THEIR SITE EVERY ONCE AND A WHILE AND ALL I SEE ARE UPDATES TO THE LINKS SECTION AND PUDS. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT?!? DAMN, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A CALCULATOR SITE HAVE SOME NEWS ABOUT CALCULATORS! I VISIT THEM MAYBE ONCE A WEEK AND I KEEP SEEING THIS GARBAGE. MAYBE THAT'S WHY TICALC AND DIMENSION-TI ARE SO MUCH BETTER. It feels good knowing that this comment won't get deleted.

LOL. :)

> This is more of free speech than anarchy I guess but here goes. TI-FILES SUCKS ASS!!! I GO TO THEIR SITE EVERY ONCE AND A WHILE AND ALL I SEE ARE UPDATES TO THE LINKS SECTION AND PUDS. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT?!? DAMN, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A CALCULATOR SITE HAVE SOME NEWS ABOUT CALCULATORS! I VISIT THEM MAYBE ONCE A WEEK AND I KEEP SEEING THIS GARBAGE. MAYBE THAT'S WHY TICALC AND DIMENSION-TI ARE SO MUCH BETTER. It feels good knowing that this comment won't get deleted.
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Ok, let's pick this apart and count how many things you just got wrong. Please excuse me for a second, I have to go get a calculator.

Updates to the links section and puds? Umm, you don't visit Ti-Files very often, do you. We post all updates on our site to ensure that the people know what's new. Ti-Files constantly has the latest news about TI calculators. Also, how are ticalc and Dim-TI better? Answer that in a VALID statement, and not with opinions, will you? Neither is better than the others, because they will never be such. Each has it's own little quirks and benefits. Go to Ti-Files, you get a quailty newsletter, the largest archives, PUDs, huge and valid lists of links, and many many other options unique to calculator sites. Go to Dim-Ti, and you get many layout options (although this becomes slow at times), with a limited archives but better descriptions on those games. Ticalc has an organized approach with a simple layout, but isn't very high on the friendliness and consumer (sorry for the word, but that's really what would work best) relationships departments. Sure, it's a great site, but every person likes to see someone behind the work. Mistakes are the birthmark of true and friendly sites. It shows there's a person behind that screen, not just a bunch of lines of PC code. Plus, I'd like to see you make a better site. Sorry, that goes out to all of the lame people out there that critize ANY site out there. Remember, you can not make remarks until you HAVE DONE it better. There is no "I could easily make a better site" until you do. Those uneducated fools who say they can have no clue what they're getting themselves into. Hundreds of hours are spent on each site weekly, and no one can replicate that in any way or form. People should start valuing sites by what's put into them, not what pleases themselves. Can you understand that? Or is it too complex for your thick-headedness? I think it's time to get your nose out of the computer screen and go see the real world, buddy. You don't make comments like that without true and valid proof and some sliver of experience. Just keep your mouth shut next time.

I'm going to try and reply to each separate issue in your post, so this may be a lengthy reply.

>"Updates to the links section and puds? .... latest news about TI calculators."

Ok, I just took a good look at the last month of updates on your website, I found only a few things about actual calculators, not including updates to the achives. In the past month you really haven't added nearly as many articles on things such as upcoming programs and the cbl 2. Most of the news for TI-FILES are related to link updates. Is this really necessary? I think it's great that you post all updates to your site, but how about a separate page for that, and more calulator news on the front page?

>how are ticalc and Dim-TI better?

I will admit that is a personal opinion, but maybe a vote should be done on which site users think is really better, but probably not...

>It shows there's a person behind ... Plus, I'd like to see you make a better site... here that critize ANY site out there...I could easily make a better site" until you do.

First of all, I know HTML, and have made several sites, my link goes to just one of many. It's a very simple site, not my best work, I made it in 2 to 3 days. I also know for a fact, that TI-FILES hired a separate company to design their webpage...the main problem with the actual site(not content) being the load time, you definately have to do something about that. 54 seconds with a 28.8 modem definately sucks. I have an ethernet connection at my college, but I feel sorry for those who have to wait that long.

Adam Winter

I'd like to address what you're saying and once again prove you don't know what you're talking about.

A calculator site isn't real life. It's just, well, a hobby. People have other things to do that often come before updating. That's life. Get over it.

I don't think you realize that the guy you just got done flaming created the design for Ti-Files.

As for the news, there's two reasons you might not see something on Ti-Files. The first is we don't post a news item for any programs when they're released unless the author specifically asks us to. The other is if the other two sites have posted something, as a matter of courtesy to them, we'll credit them with it or not post it. You don't know what you're talking about. We don't need a seperate page for updates either. There just isn't a reason for that. Besides, people like to see the updates without going to a seperate page so we put them on the main page.

As for a vote, all that will do is lead to flame wars. It's been tried. But then again, judging by your posts, you seem to enjoy flame wars.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. It's that simple. The only thing you've accomplished by your posts is getting a lot of people angry at you. I'd suggest you keep what little integrity you might still have by ending this thread now unless you have something constructive to say.

Well, sadly, this was truly a waste of my time and everyone else's. I should have just deleted the TI-FILES from my bookmarks, and kept my mouth shut. Unfortunately nothing was really gained from this whole discussion, and I'm sorry I even started it. This whole thread should just be deleted.

Ti-Files == Wasteland
Wasteland == Bad

Therefore I do not visit their site anymore.

If thats so, ticalc.org == overheating nuclear reactor. :)

Wait a minute....what are the values of all of those variables? We need to check and see if they're true...
thats what your trying to do with == operator right??
(Same goes for the other guy on this thread)

Right, == is the operator for testing equality in C/C++.

And in TI-85 BASIC. :)

~ferich

>Answer that in a VALID statement, and not with >opinions, will you?

Last time I checked, opinions were VALID ways of choosing what website to view, or whether or not to like something. (for that matter, what girl to ask out, what drugs you'd like to do this weekend, or how much to appreciate someone else's hard work) If opinions are invalid, what IS VALID? (keeping in mind that arguments are just differences of opinion, supported by pseudo-facts gathered to support our cause) Facts can be gathered to support ANY cause.

Please no lame comments about the ideal abstract definition of "fact" pertaining to "absolute truth" or the like. I unlike many of you live in the REAL world, and prefer REAL examples. Unfounded arguments do kind of piss me off though. ; )

Thank you,

~Peace~

By the way, this comment is somewhat borderline on what would be considered "abusive" and "obxious". :) Please try and not abuse the system, so the staff here doesn't go back to the old system. We really don't want the old system.

Frankly, you could have said the exact same thing with a little less anger and a different tone, and the comment would be more acceptable.

Sorry I misunderstood the rules of this special board. I would never do that on a regular discussion on any other topic. I was just stating a real problem I have with the ti-files. I'm really sick of going to their site and finding out that they updated the ti-85 readme files. Who cares!?! I hope someone from the ti-files reads this and realizes how much their site has gone down the tubes, it just pales in comparison to ticalc and dim-ti.

I just happen to be a Ti-Files member. This is not the place to complain about Ti-Files. If you have a problem with Ti-Files, take it up with us by e-mail. I invite you to e-mail me with your concerns about Ti-Files. Ticalc, however, is not the place to complain about another site and I find it highly inappropriate. Unfortunately, ticalc has stopped deleting comments, otherwise they would have probably deleted this entire thread. I encourage you to stop complaining about Ti-Files here and take it up directly with us.

Yes, frankly I think this thread would/should be deleted. The original post used vuglar language.

Vulgar language shouldn't be enough to delete a comment.

It's not just the language in the original comment. It was nothing but a meaningless flame. That's why it should've been deleted. Also, the vulgar language in the original post was excessive.

If its excessive, yes. And the original comment contained a lot of vuglar language.

Ooh, now that's gotta suck... getting censored in a state of anarchy... ;)

-UM

This is not a state of anarchy, ticalc.org choose the wrong word.

Yeah, and the first guideline stated in the "Reply to a News Item" page says,"Try to be constructive and rewlevant; no flames, and ***no posts relating to web site competition***."

It's kind of hard to miss.

~ferich

So which guideline would "pointing out an error that ticalc.org made" break?

Ummm...where are you coming from, Bryan? I'm not talking about your posts in general, just his. The first guideline talks about posting about site competition. The third guideline says something about using clean language. I found it odd that everybody who picked apart his original post and found it offensive only dealt with his use of language and focused on that alone, although it's the third guideline listed, whereas site competition is mentioned in the first guideline.

~ferich

Yes, it does violate both of those guidelines. So what? :)

I don't care enough about ti-files to send you an email and discuss the things that need improvement. I'll just stick to the better calc sites and visit yours even less frequently. You probably won't even do much about your site if I waste the time to discuss in detail all of the problems. One suggestion, go to www.linkexchange.com and use their site inspector, that should help, it finds all kinds of common problems. You should also actually have a program of the week if you say you are going to. I noticed that you guys abandoned that idea only a few weeks after starting it. I'm sure others have better ideas, so maybe others can say what they think needs to be improved about your site here, not complain about it, like I have.

If you don't like the TI-Files...then why do you go there in the first place?

I go there once a week or less to maybe see if they have any news I haven't seen anywhere else or if there is anything new and different. I don't visit them every hour or even every day.

If you don't care enough about Ti-Files, why complain in the first place? Your original comment was very inappropriate and now you're refusing to support what you said. This is by no means the place to make a post concerning site competition and you violated that guideline with your first post. You also violated the guideline that states no swearing and to use clean language. Flaming a person or a site is definitely not an intelligent contribution. You refuse to e-mail me with your concerns, yet you insist on posting them here. You have done nothing but annoy people for no reason. You obviously have no idea how much work it takes to maintain a site such as ticalc or Ti-Files. I'll stop here because I don't want to write a flame and sink to your level.

I'd just like to say I agree. If you don't like a particular site, don't visit it. If you really feel the need to have them change, email someone who works there and let them know using constructive criticism. Blatantly trashing a site on another site's message board is uncalled for regardless of your feeling about a particular site.

I am not responsible for any damages done to you, your computer, or you grandma’s cat as a result of this message.

hehe

PS - Sorry for any spelling, grammar, or political correctness mistakes for those people who feel they must pick out every detail that’s wrong with a message.

yey!

I think you're being unfair with that comment. The various sites have standards for what they consider news and what ticalc considers newsworthy might not be considered newsworthy elsewhere. Besides, being a member of a site such as ticalc or Ti-Files could be considered a hobby. People do the best they can while trying to keep up with stuff such as school and trying to have lives. If you have a legitimate complaint with Ti-Files, try notifying us in #ti-files on EFNet or by e-mail. Ticalc is not the place to complain about Ti-Files and I find your comment highly inappropriate. Comments such as yours are the reason ticalc had to censor this and should once again censor posts in comment boards. Your comment has no place on this site and unfortunately, it is comments such as your's that will ultimately cause this experiment to fail, in my opinion.

If you want to continue this discussion, continue it in e-mail and not here because this is not the place. I encourage you to e-mail me if you have any comments on this issue.

Well, there is no question his comment violates the guidelines because he uses vuglar language. That isn't the issue here. ticalc.org has been deleting comments that were not against the guidelines, just because they didn't like what the poster had to say. That is censoring, and that is bad.

I have no problem with deleting such posts that contain vuglar language.

Well, let me try to support our "censoring" of posts we don't agree with. Let's say Tetris is my absolute favorite game, and John Q. User posts a comment saying how much he hates Tetris. I don't agree, but this isn't anything to get upset about, so if his comment was reasonably intelligent, it stays. This isn't what we're talking about.

However, if there's a comment accusing "Bob" on our staff of being a homosexual (when he's not, and doesn't want to be referred to as such) or of not testing programs before he posts them, there is a harm in the _accusation_ simply being here, regardless of whether it's true. Bob could argue with the poster until the issue was dead, but there's a pretty good chance that another visitor who reads the comments will just catch something about "Bob being gay" and get the wrong idea.

Can we just leave such a thread alone, assuming every user will take the time to read all of the comments in the thread and get both sides of the issue? No. If an accusation goes unanswered, to many people, it's as good as true. And under no circumstances should we be obligated to answer to any and every outrageous claim that somebody wants to lob at us in public.

An accusation may be true, but for some pretty good reasons posting it here skews the issue and other people's opinions. The accusor often has the advantage of posting something hours before it can be addressed, leading to the "as good as true" problem I mentioned. It's just not a level arena for debate.

So what's the fair thing to do when someone has something critical to say? IMHO, it's to move to some place where a level discussion can take place. At the very least, it's to remove the accusation so it doesn't do damage before anyone has a chance to respond.

Look at it this way. If John Q. User posts a comment saying "Bob is gay," where Bob is you, and you won't be reading it nor have a chance to respond for another 6 hours, would you prefer we remove it right after it's posted, or not at all?

I also want to remind people that there's no such thing as free speech when you're making use of a privately-owned service. If you go to a restaurant and become ill, then start going from table to table telling people you're pretty sure it was the soup of the day, you'll be thrown out. That's their right. Maybe the soup was bad, maybe not, but you're at their mercy. It's very similar here: post what you want, but we're giving you a free service that, quite frankly, you have no right to complain about except by choosing not to use it. It is our _right_ to remove material we feel doesn't belong here. You are out of line to call us communists when you're a visitor at our site. In all honesty, I think the discussion is much richer when everyone's allowed their own opinion with the confidence of knowing it will be given equal attention, but there's definitely a threshold, and too often it's been crossed. Don't get me wrong -- we rely very heavily on people's _criticism_ and _suggestions_ to improve the site. Complaints and accusations are a different story.

(This is to everyone in general, not just you, Bryan.)

Chris

I quote you from Nov. 4, 1998:

"The last thing we want is a "cover-up." As this guy said, there's no reason to take out intelligent and purely speculative posts. Even if they're true."

Have you changed your mind?

Frankly Chris, no one is accusing a ticalc.org staffer, or anyone else for that matter, that he/she is gay. That is totally different.

I'll take this rare opportunity to ask you to reread my post with your brain turned on and to offer a snide and uncouth retort that I think sums up the feelings of myself and not an insignificant number of other users:

Shut up.

Gee Chris, you totally ignored my comment. Are you ever going to tell me whether that comment is real and you meant every word of it, or have you changed your mind? Can't you answern that simple question for me?

And telling me to "shutup" isn't very nice.

You are a sad, bitter little man.

Chris, again you refuse to answer a simple question. What are you trying to do, put Clinton to shame?

With all due respect, Bryan, even Chris would be hard-put to show up Clinton in that respect.
Clinton has a much more powerful position to corrupt.
It has to be very hard work to do so. I respect his work ethic... really i do....

I know, but it was a simple analogy. :)

Chris still hasn't answered the question. And he won't for good reason. Bryan's remark threatened his credibility... because he was right.

Truth be told, many "intelligent and purely speculative" posts have indeed been left intact, and this continues to be the general policy. Bryan's critical posts don't fall into that category, in our opinion, and that's our judgment to make. Speculative implies some measure of conceding that there is possibly another explanation, or that there is at least another side to the story. Bryan's comments (ticalc.org doesn't test its files, ticalc.org is run by communists, etc.) are presented as if he knew them to be factual and don't make any provisions for alternative explanations. Therefore they are not speculation.

I haven't changed my mind; I'm not sure how this quote is supposed to bring to light any hypocrisy on my part.

What's more, my long post above clearly presented the idea of calling someone a homosexual as an example of a type of personal accusation (and regardless of what you may think, we take criticism of the site personally). They're similar insofar as such posts are considered embarassing and unfounded. To put it another way, saying our site is poorly-maintained is the same as calling our staff incompetent. That's less of a stretch. Erich knows what I'm talking about, and if you're willing to generalize a bit, you'll get it, too. The specific example is irrelevant as far as my argument goes, and to nitpick the specific as a means of sidestepping the overall point is pretty juvenile.

Do we make exceptions for posts by Bryan as opposed to other people? Certainly. Because Bryan is an exception, who posts for motives different from those of anyone else. Exceptions are to be expected, and if you want to call this a departure from something I said 11 months ago, go ahead.

Chris

So you would rather me post comment such as "I believe that ticalc.org doesn't test any files, but there is a small chance in hell that they actually do?"

Tell me Chris, if your file archivers place a TI-BASIC program in the Assembly directory, is it possible they could have still tested the program? Absolutely not.

And come on, lets get real. There is a big difference between calling someone incompetent and accusing someone of being homosexual, the latter being much more personal. Sure you can generalize it, but when you generalize things - you can get into trouble. And if you think they are the same, you are taking this site too seriously. And to put as Nick would put it, "Its only a site about calculators... get a life!" :)

First, in all honestly, I would very much rather you post comments like your example. If they all took that form, they'd probably all stay intact.

Certainly that particular program wasn't tested, but I don't want to hear you accusing us of a general policy of not testing files as if you were in a position to know.

Finally -- who's taking this too seriously? Did I hear somebody bring up grand arguments about free speech and communism on a calculator site?

Chris

If one file wasn't tested at all, than its fairly obvious that other files haven't been tested as well. And Chris, you know I've found other examples, this isn't a one-time incident.

Who was the one that brought up homosexuality?

"ad hominem - attacking the person instead of the argument. Who the speaker is does not negate trhe truth of a statement.
'He's a neo-Nazi, nothing he says could possibly be true.'
'You can't trust his scientific research; he's a Bible-believing Baptist.'"
(quoted from "Critical Thinking: What It Is and Why It Counts" by Peter A. Facione, Dean of the College of ARts and Sciences, Santa Clara University)

Bryan, I hope this makes sense to you.

~ferich
I can't believe I actually used that material they gave us in class! ;)

I didn't attack Chris. I simply asked him a question, and he refused to answer. I've asked him this same question and he's always done the same thing, refused to answer. I guess thats what most people do when they've dug themselves in a hole.

He said something that led to you asking him a question (which is really avoiding the argument entirely). Don't confuse the argument here.

~ferich

He said something about people accusing other people of being gay on the comment boards. That has never happened. I fail to see how its relavent. Sure, Chris is trying to make a nice analogy... but being gay is totally different. That has absolutely nothing to do with graphing calculators.

Yes, you're right that homosexuality has no place for discussion here on these boards. But Chris was simply trying to make an analogy about the events that go on in these boards. Whether his analogy was good or not in relation to the topic-of-thread is irrelevant. The argument he was trying to make, as far as I understood, was in regard to *personal attack*, instead of constructive criticism. Yes, as you say, "that has absolutely nothing to do with graphing calculators," you're absolutely right. It doesn't, in the same way that *personal* attacks against the ops of this website don't belong. Keep it up.

~ferich

Well I've never made a personal attack against any staff member, such as saying they are gay. That is totally different than constructive criticism.

Not necessarily an attack on one's sexual orientation and preference, but attacks of any nature on a person.

If I may use you as an example, Bryan, I've witnessed several of your attacks on Chris in the past, blatantly degrading his moral character. That was more along the lines of what I was originally talking about. I've also seen other attacks made by other people, but I just chose to use you as an example. I believe a lot of your attacks on the imperfection of the site and its staff were very unfair. However, this does not mean that there have been unfair actions taken by the staff, either. I believe both sides have some degree of fault in this feud, but I believe there was a time and place for this to happen, and it's over now. Since you were a staff member, you know more of the "ins" and "outs" of the system and more of the information concerning your departure than I do; believe me, I haven't not taken this into consideration. While I do believe your side is valid, from an objective standpoint, I believe their's is, too.

I've noticed a lot about the character of this site, and I see it as hard work put forth by unpaid volunteers, people who are proud of the work they do. I appreciate this site as much as any other who comes here. I believe any unjustified attack on the site itself constitutes a personal attack, maybe very minor in degree, but nonetheless, a personal attack. That is because every staff member, current and past, has found gratification in the work he has performed on the site itself. I'm sure that was true of you, too, Bryan.

I don't know what your thoughts on the site are, but from a majority of your arguments, they don't seem to be worthy of a kind reply. That doesn't mean that every one of your criticisms were unjustified; some actually had very valid points. You are both vital and harmful to the ticalc.org community, but I don't know which is more beneficial to both the community and the site. Believe me, I hated to see you leave the staff, what, with all your hard work put into this site, almost single-handedly bringing this site to what it is today.

I guess this brings me to my point. I'm fed up with this feud. I propose some sort of reconciliation in this matter. I hate to see conflict in any form, and I think a lot of others agree with me, too. I think ticalc.org has taken a forward step with the "anarchy" boards by stepping off the podium of censorship found previously on the site. Now it's your turn. You're not going to be censored anymore, so leave it be. All I propose is peace. I think we deserve it. Let's just all give it a rest for once.

~ferich

The fact is though, this anarchy (or free speech as I like to call it) isn't going to last. This trial only lasts until Nov. 7. Then I believe Chris will get his way and it'll be censorship again. :)

Anyway, I don't think this "feud" can end until Chris admits the truth.

And what is this "truth?" Is it in regard to your departure or is it related to censorship in general?

~ferich

More about my "departure", some about censorship.

Wow, Chris, you really like the restaurant analogy, don't you? Well let's continue it then. All these people would not be getting sick from the "Soup of the Day" if you hadn't fired your chef (remember that analogy? you made it).

I was discussing yesterday with someone about a file that had been misplaced. We were discussing how sad it was that we EXPECT that kind of thing from ticalc.org, because it's happened many times before.

As a final note. Restaurants aren't concerned that someone will go to all the tables badmouthing their food, but if they do catch someone, they'll put an end to it. You at ticalc.org have gotten to the point such that you EXPECT badmouthing (probably because most of it is true) and you went looking for comments to delete. The point is simple. If it has gotten to the point where you are LOOKING for comments to delete, then the boards need to be revoked altogether.

In reference to that misplaced file, I'd like to point out that you're entirely correct in that it was misplaced originally. But, you also took the proper action and emailed me about, and I promptly fixed. To the best of my knowledge, no files that I have added (at the very least) are currently misplaced (Actually, I don't know of any files in the archives that are misplaced, but I'm sure there are some. I don't have time to go through all 8000+ files by hand...). If any files in our archives are misplaced, please inform me as quickly as possible so I can remedy the situation. I do my absolute best as file archiver, and that's all I can offer. I don't deny that I make mistakes, everyone does, the best I can do is fix them as soon as I am aware.
--
Phil

I know of at least 2-3 files (86 assembly in fact) that are realy BASIC and have been added since I was fired.

But lets get real, is it too much to ask to at least determine whether a game is BASIC or Assembly? Is that beyond the ability of ticalc.org?

You seem to take the stance that its ok to misplace files, because users will just e-mail you with the problem, and THEN you'll fix it. Sure, it works, but it makes you look bad.

Only 2-3? Wow, that's impressive. That means that there's about 99.969% accuracy (if there's 8000 files). What are you complaining about?

No, it's not too much to ask to determine if a game is BASIC ot Assembly - that's why ticalc.org manages to get it right over 99% of the time. What's "too much to ask" is to expect people to be perfect.

No the fact is, USERS submit the files to ticalc.org and they specify whether or not its assembly or basic. I'm guessing that some (if not most) of the time, the file archivers just go by what the users enter in, and don't bother to verify it. Users aren't stupid, they usually enter in the correct directory.

The fact is, the file archivers are supposed to test every program. The fact that some programs are totally misplaced leads people (like myself) to believe that the testing isn't done that well.

Oh and by the way, lets get real with the accuracy thing. We are only talking about determining whether a program is assembly or basic. Even a baby can do that. Anything less than 100% is not acceptable.

Bob is gay?!

heh

Despite the fact that the message board is a state of "anarchy", we should still make comments in good taste. We should take our new freedom and prove that we can be responsible with it. People that must use that kind of language usually have a deficiency of conversational skills. Be responsible and make constructive comments in good taste. You may have freedom, but that does not mean you should not have your mouth washed out with soap, and then be spanked with a wet waffle.

This isn't really in direct reply to Adamw - I just wanted this comment at the bottom of the thread.

After reading all the comments above, I must say that this is a *really* bad indication of what would happen if the comment board was never censored. Considering this 'trial' (or whatever you wanna call it) just started, we're not trying very hard to show how this could be better.

P.S. to Justin Surratt - spank Adam's mouth with a wet waffle? I have NO idea what you're talking about.. but it's still sorta funny. lol.