I have a theory of why we got such a crappy reply and such vague consumer support. I bet the person at Ti who answers E-mail is lazy. I bet who sends hundreds of replys to hundreds of ignorant people. So he has developed a routine. When petition arrived that fateful day with 650 names concerning the matter of 89 assembly info, he was at a loss at what to do. Being the pathetic person he is, he didn't notify his superiors of this. So in reply to this, he sent a small little message saying the info will be released after spring. After summmer comes and goes, he will say in the fall. This cycle will continue forever until he notifies his superiors who will then fire the fool for not telling them sooner. Don't you see? Its not Ti's fault, its that Homer Simpson wanna be sittingt at the computer with his hands down his pants and his eyes glued to the internet. -Thank you for you time-

Haha, perfect example of common american, Always lazy hahaha! We Ccanadians know how to fry a moouse!

I have always wondered this: If people living in America are Americans, does that mean Canadians are from Canadia? Or should they be Canadans?

I think instead of another petition that all 650 people should each write a letter a week to TI and well let 'em give out 650 diffrent dates each week.

Yeah! Let's mailbomb 'em!

TiCalc is wrong on the news that they posted. I personally sent the petition to TI and I did not get a response. TiCalc says that the letter above was the response to the petition. But it was not the response to the petition. As of right now their has been no response to the petition. I would appreciate it if TiCalc would verify information about the petition with Dux Gregis or I. Considering we did start the petition.

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Matt Peresie
matt@calc.org

hehe - someone faked this letter? Pretty dumb :)

so, ticalc.org put this up on a rumor??? this isnt TI's response to the petition?

Boy it looks like the ticalc group really has their act together. Boy way to communicate there guys.

Read the news posting on the main page and the article itself. It doesn't say that it's a response to the petition anywhere, but rather to a generic "when will we get the info" letter to TI, very much like one I've sent myself. In fact I got almost exactly the same response...

actually, it did say that the letter was a response to the petition. at least ticalc corrected that gross error.

sean

First of all the initial news poste did say that the letter was a response to the petition. Nathan changed it after he became aware that it was not a response to the petition. You should try not to make comments that are not true. If you would have read the initial news post which was actually posted on the 20th not the 21st you would know that it said that the letter was a response to the petition. I sent the petition to TI and I plan to personally rlease TI's response to the petition as soon as I get it.

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Matt Peresie
matt@calc.org

Check this out. I sent this e-mail...

I am an assembly programmer, and was just
wondering if TI is going to release any
info on the structure of the ram (i.e.
addresses to various things- timers, heap,
traps, etc.), and addresses of rom
routines. Most have been figured out, but
a few new features have not been found.

...and got this response on August 20, 1998...

Josh,

Thank you for your recent email. We plan to release assembly programming information for the TI-92 Plus some time in the next few weeks. Our
engineers are currently working on the assembly documentation, but I do not have a firm date for its release. I recommend that you visit our web site periodically over the next few weeks so that you can get the information as soon as it is released.

If you have any further questions or comments please feel free to contact us at your convenience. For faster service on replies, please copy this message in your response and send the response directly to ti-cares@ti.com.

Best Regards,

Brigette Anderson

...A few weeks, they said. Maybe they meant like 40. I've pretty much given up. If they give us the info, great, if not, we are stuck, unless some people want to make an enormous, unlawful, full assault on decompiling the roms. Oh well.

Why is a major assault on the ROM illegal? It seems to me that if you bought the calculator, you have the right to attempt to understand how it works...

Decompiling the rom would be commiting an act or reverse engineering. Reverse engineering is when you take something apart to see how it works. Because TI has copyrighted the rom, then reverse engineering the rom would be unlawful punishable in a court of law.

Well a TI engeneer has told me in July 98 that the ASM doc would be soon released.
We are in the end March 99 and still nothing.
I think that it is serious lack of respect for the
costumers.
They are certainly affraid that genius programmers release free Apps far superior than theirs(i have heard that EEPRO is not that great and is even inferior than some Free HP48 apps)
They can do what they want but i will go and buy the next HP calc and after bye bye TI calc.

I'm just curious, what is this update for? I believe Dux Gregis of ACZ and his friend over at Dim-TI started it (the petition), I'm just curious why TICALC.ORG suddenly assumes the responsibility of other people's doings? It's a little rude, at best, to make any implications.

Also, the response from TI is typical. They probably have templates for these kinds of responses... TI isn't different from any other company, on the shell nice but really just beurocratic B.S. (we love you TI ;-))

The only thing I can gather is TICALC.ORG sent a letter to TI asking them about the petition they didn't start, wrongfully assuming the position as the starter of the petition.... if they were concerned about the status, they should have e-mailed Dux or Matt..

First of all I would like to thank Matt for the comments he made above.

********** Important **********
I need to try to get as many email addresses as possible of employees at TI. I would like to send the petition again if I do not get a response soon. But, this time I would also like to email some of the employees directly instead of just emailing TiCares.
Email all the addresses to matt@calc.org
Thanks
********** Important **********

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Matt Peresie
matt@calc.org

Yeah! Let's mailbomb 'em!

Umm..let's not.

I bet TI would be a lot more forward and willing to give out information if they didn't have to deal with a bunch of AOL lamers yacking at them. All you have to do is find the TI employee, and ask him for info. Since it says in the manual that assembly information is available (or so I heard - I don't feel like searching my manual), then they wouldn't be breaching any non-disclosure agreement, more like nullifying any accusation of false advertising.

Personally, I believe the TI engineers are probably busy going through bug-reports and all kinds of debugging. I bet they wouldn't mind sending an include file, which they use all the time, but generating documentation does take some time. Someone tell Pat Milheron to yell at his 68k co-workers to give him the include file, and he can e-mail it to someone. Pat Milheron seems to be the only TI engineer who likes to program other then as a job, after all, he wrote an older style arcade game... Pede, I believe.

well, they can't exactly hand over their include files for assembly, since they never used any .. it was written in C, remember. But if they released those includes, I suppose that would be enough for us to generate our own asm header files.