That'll be very useful. I can just see the games flooding in right now...

- Shayne

After I got a reply back from TI I felt that I sould post this message but I did not think that the good people at ticalc.org Would be as prompt as they were to upload it. I feel that large letter sent out in which the person who sent it eather did not get a reply or just thought it was not important to post this infomation or others on this page but I did. Mainly I would like to see more good ASM programs out these days so I promiss you people that I have started working on the program call Assembly Stuidos 89 like the 86 version but with the permission of the Assembly 86 developers I will give it that name. But I would like to say I have many parts of it finished but I would like to add as much as I can before I release a program that might not work 100% at first so I will hold it back after I get more infomation of different commands. Also I would like some beta testers to contact me to beta test it. I have 3 people as of now and they are working with what i have done now. I wish I could release it but I feel anyone that uses it would not know very much and would like to get the help section finished before the release. And I would like to thank TI for giving that infomation as fast as they did it only took them about 10 - 20 min to get that message which is no very offen.

it amazes me how in comprehensible your writing is. i wonder if you've ever noticed that. seriously though, take a writing class.

Amen!

oh....thats good, i just thought I was zoned out while reading it because i didnt understand it.

it amazes ME how quick you all are to make fun of someone...jesus it's like you all are in second grade...did you all ever consider maybe is is foreign and his english may not be to fluid...ease up there buddy

I agree with you, Britt, he may have any reason for not writing that well, maybe he just doesn't care. He does, however, seem a lot more knowledgeable in assembly than most of everyone else, so I don't think he deserves any of this.

Does anyone else who signed the petition feel insulted that they think we're too stupid to find TI's website? =(

Somehow I think that Dux's suggestion (I think it was Dux) that we can threaten legal action as full assembly support is advertised is the ONLY way anything will ever get done. . .

just to let you all know... TI neve once said "full assembly language support" they specifically said, Built in programming with optional assembly language, they never once said that they were 100% going to have built in asm language.

so, we have no legal right whatsoever to threaten TI....

Read page 302 of the TI-89 manual:

"The information required to teach a novice programmer how to write assembly language programs is beyond the scope of this book. However, if you have a working knowledge of assembly language, please check the TI web site (listed previously in the section) for more information on how to access TI-89 features."

It says right there that the TI website should have documentation on TI-89 ASM support. . .

Like I said before... TI never stated that they were going to give us complete documentation on asm language for the 89, as they themselves admitted that trying to teach a novice to code asm is like trying to teach a 2 month old baby to speak conversational japanese.... they simply stated that information for more advanced programmers would eventually be available... they never gave you a date, and therefor never gave us any legal ground whatsoever to try to take action against them... they simply said please check the TI website... to them that might mean, we will be posting it sometime later this year, to you it might mean, it's already posted... but all that matters is what they thought that meant, by not posting a specific date, we have no legal ground whatsoever... not even false advertising or such... so you just have to wait for ti to post it on heir own sweet time... there's nothing you can do to speed them up... and by complaining and petitioning, all you're gonna do is make them angrier and more apt to delay the informations' release/ posting...

They gave infos on other calcs, why not on the89?...

Waiting indefinitely long for the information is the same as not releasing it; if TI is going to release information, they should be required by law to give a date. Besides, the manual says that information _is_ available, not that it will be available -- a blatant falsehood.

Why did ticalc.org post this news? (trying to prove their ability to stay on top of things without Bryan on staff?) And whose email is this a response to? .. because it's not a response to "the petition" with 650 names. I wrote the email petitioning for info, and matt sent it in to ticares@ti.com. I did explicitly state that if the petition recieved their generic response as this above email did, the petition would be continually resent until an acceptable response is formulated. I'm assuming that ticares has forwarded the petition to those necessarily implicated and that is why a response hasn't returned yet; so I don't expect it to recieve this same innocuous response.
btw, in case anyone is curious, the things I requested were rom calls, i/o, traps and ram equates including information on how to maintain compatability with ram addresses among rom versions.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this letter was in response to a petition, although not necessarily the one you sent.

I posted this news item because I thought it might be interesting. Spring starts today, and whether you believe TI will have the information by 21 June or not, I thought it would be interesting to know where the company now stands.

I do know someone at TI that gave me a little help with this infomation that they sent me. It took me a while to send this to the address he gave me because he gave me the wrong addy but I finaly did it so as you see I will tell ya they will release it!!!!! Their is no chance that they wont I promiss you I had posted this so I know what I'm talking about before I had taken the time to post all of this.

Why don’t you use a little more punctuation? It would really help.

As one of the starters of the ASM petition I feel that this letter is a joke. TI is just playing with us. I personally sent the petition to TI over a week ago and have reciceved no response. I feel that TI is just ignoring us because they feel we will not do anything. I have heard from numerous other people that say they emailed TI and TI gave them a release date that has already passed for the ASM information. TI has to realize that them must release this info ASAP they cannot keep holding it off. I will post a response if I ever get an email from TI on the petition.

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Matt Peresie
matt@calc.org

I feel that Brian is quite dumb. TI has already said that they would release the assembly info before the petition. That was just a total waste of your time and everyone else's. I hope this keeps you busy.

Now if TI said it was going to be released in Spring then why was the petition ever made. Well my friend I have to say you are full of $hit because no one would sign a petition that was already decided on. I would not be surprized if you were one of those people who sign the petition. I get my infomaion from TI Direct and first time I got a hold of I called on the phone and told me to send this email to the guy I sent it to. He gave me that reply and a few other things that was on that message that I took off and the TI-CAL.org took of the letter before posting it on the site. So also why would you waste your time replying to this if you did not care about it to know you are full of $hit. Sorry for the out burst their but people like that just make me want to do something that I would rather not identify on the web to that person. If you know what I mean :)

Um, I took off the contact information at the end that was the TI URL, ti-cares@ti.com email address, and the general and technical support numbers.

I didn't take anything else out of the letter! (in fact, I added the hyperlinks.)

If you want I could send you the entire letter all over again which includes my letter ti TI about the problem. And yes you did take off staff know one cares about but their still was a letter attached to it that I had sent and thought it is just nothing just what they send me back matters but people dout that I knew what I was taking about. I will say their is alot of people out their that is better then me. And I feel people are thinking I don't know shit about ASM because of TIs reply back.

He's at it again.

Well I don't care who it is. I will not be known as Eugene on this message board from now on.