As a user of both the 83 and the 92+, I have to say that I think that most of you are forgetting two things. First, from all of TI's released info, the processor: a Z80. Secondly, unlike the 92+ upgrade, not much usefull software is built in the addition (How many people really use a CBL or CBR). When these are taken into consideration, it becomes obvious that the 83+ is just the same old machine, which will have the same types of programs, and still pales in comparison to the 85, 86, 89, 92, and espically, the 92+.

All of them pale in comparison to the 89, except MAYBE the 92+.

Why are you people so ignorant? THE PRICE OF ANYTHING IS NOT SOLELY BASED ON THE PARTS IN CONTAINS. Workers get paid for developing, maufacturing, and shipping. These calc's aren't pieces of hardware TI threw together and decided to sell. There is the os development and actual manufacturing process development. All of this takes money. True the hardware in the calc probrally on makes up 25% of the price but the rest is needed to keep the company in business. Remember these companies aren't here to further enhance and educate america's youth, they're here to make a profit.

A bit redundant.

To all of you who are complaining about just buying an 83 and now the plus comes out:
Do you complain when there is advances in technology? i.e. computer processors or HDTV

How about those who are required to buy one for a class, when educators are offered free use of the TI-83Plus right now (read available to educators for free use now). We are not asking to be given one free, what we are asking is for the opportunity to BUY a TI-83Plus now, if TI can afford to offer them for free use to educators now!

Exactly... when a faster computer is released then we all go buy it but when TI releases an advancement in technology it's a sin...

Don't even BUY anything less than an 85 to begin with!

Those 82's and 83's are pretty crappy when you compare them with even an 85. Smaller screen, *ONE LETTER VARIABLES* (insanely annoying), MUCH less functionality (I know the 85 doesn't have TABLE -- 86 does though), and those full-screen menus! Those are the WORST. Not to mention the 83 looks like an experiment by a 60's acid rocker.

Spend about $30 more for an 86. Or, if you're THAT much of a tightwad, $10 for an 85. It's well worth it. Absolutely blows away those 82's and 83's. They're not even in the same league (for the most part).

Well, the appeal of the 82/83, I think, is the ease of use. Now I know you (and me, I use my 92+) could easily use a more complex calc, but many of the people in my algebra II class have great trouble managing just the 83. The fact that it is very easy to use, while powerfull enough for most high school level math, makes it and idea choice for schools and the average student to use...

Just my thoughts,
-Dan

No offence - well actually I guess this IS offence - but what kind of dork would ARGUE about who has a better calculator? There are arguments for each one, there have been many debates about which is better, and I dont think that's what this particular discussion is about. If you want to start a fight about meaningless subjects, why don't you do it somewhere else... where that's the topic of discussion.

A lot of people seem to be complaining about the release of this new 83+. Why would it bother people? It's only benefitting the people that don't have a calculator yet. If you look at it globally, more people will have better calcs if they release an 83+. If they never brought up the idea of a newer 83 then a lot more people would have standard 83's. Either way, if you own a TI-83, you still have it. The only advantage to this release is now new calculator buyers have a better product to buy. It only pisses people off because now they're jealous.

Unfortunately, technology advances much faster than people's wallets fill. This is how it's always been, especially with computers. Should scientists slow down on development just because we can't afford to pay for new stuff? Regardless of how you feel, that's already how it is. I bet you anything that the wireless communications scientists would just LOVE to tear down all the analog control towers and satellites and replace them with new digital ones. The reason they won't, of course, is because all of the consumers' old analog cellular phones will become invalid. Consumers will not want to buy new phones for fear of falling into the same trap again. The result? The consumers slow down our country's advancement.

Take HDTV (the new high res all digital TV replacement). The TV industry set a goal of having the entire country using HDTVs in roughly 8 years. 8 years?!? Sheesh. I know it doesn't take that long to make all the HDTV sets. It will take that long because people aren't willing to upgrade. We could all have HDTVs and the entire cable system rewired to all-digital in a single day if all of us humans were up to it. Don't tell me we don't have the skills. It's just that we don't want to pay.

Companies should not be penalized by the public for releasing a new product. A new product is a GOOD thing. It gives us more choices. In the case of intel and all their different speed CPUs, I know that they had a 233 before a 400 (this relates to a previous post). I'm sure they could have kept all bottled up and not released a single CPU until they hit 400, but why do that? All that does is slow our country's advancement and take possible profit away from intel. Remember that *businesses* as well as the general public buy this stuff. Businesses would be willing to upgrade their 233's to 400's since they have the money. Intel should be able to offer the 400's to the general public, too, don't you think? A few of us may actually upgrade.

I remember when my brother got Metal Gear Solid for the Playstation in December. My friend (who got the game right when it came out) got mad about the fact that the version my brother had was slightly different and contained several bugfixes. Should the game have been bugfixed like that? All that does is piss off the people who bought the old version only days before the new one. But does the company just leave a game that isn't quite "perfect" on the shelf? No! They will release a newer version. And what about all the owners of the original who want Konami to send them all a free copy of the new one (with exchange and payment of difference) ? I don't think that a company should be penalized for releasing a new product. If there was a law that required all companies to give new versions of a product to all people who owned previous versions, then companies would never release anything!

So, in short, I believe a new release by a company is nothing but a good thing. It may piss some people off but it is a benefit to new buyers. What TI is doing is great.

And if the larger memory in the 83+ is true, then now people can have Joltima along with other games for once =).

-Justin Karneges [Infiniti]

4 words and a hyphen:

it's business - flash rom

will you be able to use asm progs out of the user data thingy?

if not you might have 2 do some optimizing =)

why get an 83 or an 83+?? i dunno

why get an 89?? cause they rule

period -----> .

Must I remind everyone that the TI-89 is almost identical hardware wise to the TI-92+. Now, do you think that it is really worth the 100 odd dollars more for a 92+ than an 89. So for all you prospective 92,92+ owners, go buy an 89. And I think this new fangled 83+ idea is just another ploy for our hard earned dollars.

It's a little too late for me too buy an 89 instead of a 92+. Maybe I could trade my 92+ in on an 89 and some money... I started out on an 81, and I thought they were great until I got a load of the 85. So I bought one (no trade here). When the 86 came out, and some lines were missing out of my 85 screen, I bought an 86 (again, no trade). When I saw that the 92 did symbolic differentiation and integration, I bought one (still no trade even though I have 3 out of date calcs). Point being: stop sounding like a bunch of babies. If you want a better calc, spend a little money.

Oh, btw, some math teachers won't let the 92 be used in class. I've been told not to use mine, while 89 owners are allowed to use theirs. They say the 92 is a laptop, not a calc. Just another reason to get an 89.

Isn't the idea of a "company" to "ploy for our hard earned dollars"? You're bashing a company for trying to earn money? That's what a company is SUPPOSED to do. I do agree with your off-topic point about TI-89 vs TI-92+'s though :)

TI needs to expand their line of products anyway.
They need to have low-end calcs for middle school students to be able to graph (Like an old TI-80 or the new TI-73). They need a nice, powerful calculator with a QWERTY keyboard (The TI-92(+)) They need a good, affordable calculator with a higher resolution and more memory (The TI-86), and they need good High School and College Calculators (TI-83, 85) They need a really powerful handheld calculator (TI-89) Oh, wait, they already have those. QUIT COMPLAINING!

EXACTLY!!..... QUIT COMPLAINING!

Oh 86, oh 86. You TI-86 users had the best handhelp calc until four monthes ago, and now the 83+ is taking you big time. The ti-85? It was better than the 83, and now it's down to being an antique. Soon after TI realizes that the noble 85/86 family has been taken by the previous series of TI (82/83), they will release the TI-87 which will be a souped up TI-86, some sort of hybrid between the 83+ and the 89.
The screen resolution will be the same though for each series.
Watch for the 87, it will have like 250k archive memory, flash technology and all that.

So isn't the 82 the worst calc now?

No, the 82 isn't the worst calc. The 73,80,81 are all worse.

No way!!!

All the TI-calcs are the best in their own way!!! The 73 was just make so, it is better than the 82. But the 82 is still great! Hey guess what? I'm a TI-81 fan! I bought one in May of 98' (when it was already discontinued) and I love it! Yeaaaa for the TI-81!

The 85 was made before the 82