Does anybody think there should be an exchange program for this? i.e. Trade in your old 83 calculator for the 83+ and pay the difference.

I would sure as hell hope so, this pisses me off that they decide to come out with this... =P Well, if they do aloud to trade back in calcs, and require me to have my receipt (which I dont) then that will force me to open an IRC channel #tisucks which would be dedicated to nothing but cussing out ti... and theyre selling software!? those bastards. =P

yes i do think that there should be an exchange program. i mean because we went out and bought an 83 and then they go and release a new version of it. I think that they should allow it and that they should've put all those features in the first TI-83.

I Agree, I would much rather have a ti83 plus than just mu regular old ti83 that I just purchased!

I think you're absolutely correct. I payed good money for my 83, and now they come out with an update to it. It's basically the same calculator, if I'm not mistaken... All the 83 calculator owners out there should rally and sign petitions and all the such to get us some 83+ calcs in exchange for our 83 calcs (plus the monitary difference, of course).

It'd be nice if they just called the damned thing the 84... Then they could come out with an 86+ and call it the 87... Also, us 83 owners wouldn't get all ticked off that they upgraded our 83's. We wouldn't catch on as quickly if they called it the 84. We'd think "Oh, it's another calculator, not just a cheap upgrade of the 83."

-Phil

Yeah. Then they could come out with a TI-89- and call it the TI-88. Ha ha. Just kidding.

Thanks for shooting down all of my ideas. I needed that.

Well, gee, I had just bought a TI-85 when the TI-89 came out, why couldn't I just "trade up" with TI for a few extra bucks?

That's not true, but I just wanted to illustrate that it's a lot to expect of a company to let you trade in older products for newer ones. Do you expect to be able to trade in your sound card for a newer model later on? Not usually. With products that are (relatively) cheap, it's not worth the company's effort to set that up. So don't hold your breath...

I agree with Chris on this one. Do you think TI made this new calculator so that they would LOSE money on trade-ins? Sure, it would be great if you could trade in your old, used, falling apart calculator for a nice, shiny, new one, but what is TI going to do with an old calculator? They can't resell it.

That's not the point. The point is they shouldn't release new calculators so often. They could make their calcs a bit better so there would be no need to shitty things like this. This will soon be just like the PC market, 1-2 year old machines are capable of nothing... This is nothing but an attempt to take away our money with the same product again, I say. Also notice that basically TI calcs are very similar to each other, TI85 is almost the same as TI86(even if it was released 1992 and 86 was released 1997), 81 is almost like 73, and TI-82 is just like TI-83. Reselling...
TI-92 - 89.... There is always just that difference they're not fully compatible with each other and almost nothing else. My advice to TI; develop until your products are worth selling and they offer something new to previous ones, DON'T throw things to sales like headless chickens(even if you need money desperately..) Now don't get me wrong, I love TI calculators but they could put something new in products sometimes. Technology is there to do it, and in my opinion TI calculators prices are way too high compared to what they're capable of. Will they continue this for how long? Selling same products over and over again? This way, many companies have lost their #1 market place, when they have been too lazy to create something new. They could at least fasten it up a little bit or something NEW like that.
That's all folks.
(waiting for the TI-85+ ...sure.)

So let me get this straight- you think that there is no technological difference between the 83 and the 83+?? Well, if you do, then you are wrong. You have to remember that these calculators are not made for ASM programmers, or students who like to play games, these calculators are made for and by teachers who request a better product with which to teach their class.

My previous Precalc teacher use the CBLs and the CBRs a lot, and with most people having an 83, sending the CBL program became a routine. I'm sure that the teachers will find the fact that the new 83+s come with the CBL and CBR programs built in. It's little improvements like this that make the 83+ stand out from the 83.

Another example (one that gamers would like) is that they have changed the keyboard so that it is similar to that of an 89's keys. The keys are bigger, and harder to miss. They are also more comfortable on your thumbs. (If you don't believe me, the try Galaxian on an 83 and then Phoenix on the 89... you'll notice a difference in aches and pains, depending upon how long you play, of course)

All of these, and more (upgradable ROM, Flash-RAM, APPS, and more) make the 83+ a welcomed edition to the TI graphing calculator archive.

-Miles Raymond

Thanks for telling me the new features.
I just wanted to know why they are not updating the hardware too? New covers, few new tricks. Is that all? TI probably has got still many old chips at their garage, since they use same parts in every single model...

83? 83+? *makes cross sign with fingers* Heh. Still hangin' with the 5-year-old 85 and 92+, but I must nitpick at the "1-2 year old PCs don't do shit" comment. I own a P166 with 48 megs ram in the slots (Of which 32 work and Windows sees 30...ARGH, no blood2, no carma2...urgh) with a Voodoo2 8-meg board and a SB AWE64 Gold (ISA)...I'd just like to say I get 50+ fps in quake2 at 800*600 and a good 30 in Unreal. Maybe not a dual P2-450 system (heh. The 450/128 is coming in about a week) but it does just fine on almost everything.
End of ramble.
--Piloter

I wouldn't want a part exchange scheme... they wouldn't want my calculator anyway in it's state... wouldn't it be more useful to have a money-off scheme when you present your manual/warranty in a shop?

I have decided to make a petition to get ti to have an exchange pay the difference. e-mail me @ Brettman82 @ hotmail.com.

Dont you get it? The whole reason TI is so into these flashrom calculators is so they CAN make changes which are Cheaper than buying a whole new calc every year or three. You should applaud their decision to make a Z80 based flashrom calc. (Course, 86+ would have ben a better choice...)
Stop whining and use what you bought or sell it to a freshman and buy a better one.
Besides, why would you want a new 83? Once you've used the 89's CAS, there is no comparison.

TI-89 can't be used in exams at least here where i live. this may vary, of course.
and as for "they CAN make changes which are Cheaper than buying a whole new calc every year or three", do you seriously think many TI-83 owners will pay to switch to plussed model?
Difference shouldn't be that big. People will have to buy new calculator anyway.

I just realized what I had done. I wasn't thinking the petition deal is off.

Why does it hurt when I piss?

But on subject, I think a 89+ would have been a better idea.

If a calculator is a PLUS that means you can upgrade it.. The TI-89 is already a PLUS because it is an upgradeable calculator just like the TI-92 PLUS and the new TI-83 PLUS

The TI-89 was just released... TI hasn't found enough problems with it yet :) It kinda makes me mad when someone views an accomplishment or good news and says "well, why can't it be for MY calculator?" Sounds a little selfish to me. The TI-89 doesn't need a Plus, it's already great and already has upgradable ROM.

first off 89 ownz all, but i still can't get over that it can't do x roots AHHHHH!

second i have to agree that it would be great to be able to get a 83+ for an 83 and some extra money, but ti would go broke since the 83 is probably the most used calc and EVERYONE wouldn't pass that kind of an offer up... period ---> . But charging for progs has just really ticked me off, i mean any good asm programmer could come up with a program like ANY of those on the site, and they would get paid for it (they'd get respect however, which is a LOT more than i have for ti right now)!

well, bye bye

HA
i have yet to find something that the 89 cant do.
write a function
xroot(x,y)
x^(1/y)
endFunc
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oh ya back to the 83+. well i think that it is about time they are upgrading a calc!!! there are new things there like an interactive cbl/cbr prog
...things that relate to math...think about it

Grab your 89 and open up the Geometry program and draw a.... oh wait.... your 89 can't do that!
hehhehe..

-Mark-
(proud owner of a TI-92+)
(not that I ever use the Geometry application to begin with)

You can't use your TI-92+ on the SAT or any other standardized tests and most classrooms won't allow it. So what good is the geometry program. hehehehehehe

Steve
Proud owner of a TI-89

Just wait till you hit a university setting ... *thumbs-up* Just saw somebody in my Physics class sportin' a '92 (non+ .. heh, I feel better now.), I've probably just seen 10 so far in use, just walking around in the engineering areas...All right, fine, this semester's calc teacher is a dink who doesn't allow calcs at ALL, but in everything else it's allowed. Reset the memory? They can /try/...besides the easier-to-use keyboard, it just looks completely bad-ass. Y'know, the Terminator of TI-calcs. *sag* Of course you can hold any 8x model so it looks like a pistol, but the 85's all-black and works well. ANYWAY ... so much for my lunch break.
--Piloter (AKA the T-801A) signin' off.
*afterthought* Hey, suppose TI made a calc with dual 6800s? Even the 92+ is /slow/ when it comes to solving some complex equations or real-time flat-surface 3d-rotation ... .ooh! TI-NT ... *cringe* NO. TI-3dFX? In greyscale, ech. TI-64? Not likely. *having too much fun with this stuff* Awright, time to stop annoying you all.

Enough for that + thing- If we need something then we need something new, not the old s*it again and again please... =)
Personally I'd love a new TI-xx with all the top-notch stuff in it, maybe meg of mem and *good* color screen, maybe some x86 processor in etc.
Just as an example.
But that would be worth releasing.

Maybe they at TI know we loyal fans are willing to buy basically anything that has TI stamped on it and hence the situation..

Maybe you should know thet the MC68000 processor in the TI-89/92(+) is already a good processor. The 680x0 series are just as good as the 80x86 series. (and I'm not a Mac user)

ok, thanks for the info.
but remember, that processor is only in a more expensive models(89/92), and Ti-83 for example, is very different from that. Why not putting this processor to them all then? Would it be too expensive? I don't think so. Parts shouldn't cost many dollars.

Why the heck would you use an x86 proc for a calc? The x86 architecture is one of the slowest, and often one of the most over-heated proc choices out there. I think TI did the right thing by going with a Motorola chip for the 89 and 92/92+. I think that TI should make a supercalc that would have over 36MB, color LCD, new link (RS-232 serial port?) and a StrongARM proc. And if you think that these sound like the specs of a PDA, well, you are right! These specs are close enough to that of the Philips Velo500, but they aren't allowed in school.

-Miles Raymond

Calculators are used for much more than just school. And I don't think it's the speed/mem that prevents from using them at school; it's the software. Btw, you forgot one thing to add to your superTI-8000: USB.
=)

Ville

btw. I really don't know processors that much, I just wanted to give you an example(x86), of course i'd appreciate any more efficient processor.

uhh.. What you're describing is generally called a laptop computer.
The CPU's 92's and the 89's is alread faster than a gameboy.

If TI does create a color calculator than all these people will have another thing to complain about. But I do agree with one thing you wrote...People will buy anything with a TI stamp on it

TI clothing... snicker