Survey posted 2001-01-07 17:22 by Andy Selle.

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Why not just get a Cybiko?

Actually, That might be the audience their trying to attract with the Ti-83SE. I doubt thats the real reason Ti made this thing, but It looks like Ti is trying to get a calculator to do some of the organizer things a cybiko does, like the Todo list.

Of course if they wanted to compete with the Cybiko in the game category They should have chosen the 89 instead of the 83 simply because the 89 has shown itself to date that it is the calc of choice when it comes to the more complex games.

Of course if you look at current programming popularity right now, nothing beats an 83+.

Nothing beats the TI83+ only because some people forget to upload their ARPGCS games for the TI83 as well.


At least there are a still a few TI82 prorgammers! My games are for all TI82/83/83+.

Sorry, I'd absolutely, positively love to buy it, but I already spent 100 dollars on a regular TI-83Plus, and I'm not about to throw another 100+ dollars for a calc, when money is as precious as it is today.

Cybiko only offer a scientific calculator. If you want internet access+gaming, get a Game Boy Advance when it's released here.

I looked at the Cybiko website to see what kind of programs they had available, and most of the games looked crappy. I have seen much better quality for TI calculators.

Also, I have a problem with the GBA. There aren't many good games. Most of the games seem to be geared towards the <12 age range, just like with the GBC.

In my opinion, all games are great for people of all ages. The exceptions would be a blood and guts killing game for little kids and Elmo's ABC's for adults.

This is a complete waste of money. Why would you need so much memory in the first place, I have never in my life filled my little 86's memory. It may be fast but why do you need it to go faster. These cheap little 83's are not designed to do complex things. The 83 should have been retired with the 82 and 85. TI need to stop making these false updates and make a completely new calc. Maybe they do need to take a hint from Handspring and build the calc that can be upgradable through a new card. Can't you see it, a card for calculus and another for stats. Everyone buys the basic model, no matter what level they are at and they just buy the card thats right for them.

Sort of like what they did when they phased out the 92.

I think TI needs to leave the 83 alone for awhile and build a more user friendly with more storage space TI-86-The TI-86 can perform numerous mathematical operations the 83+ can't.

That is why there is room for up to 94 applications on the 83+SE. TI can easily add all, and more, features of any calculator on the market right now. They didn't blow an investment after all... They made the 83+SE competition for the rest of the market, including the 89.

Lets say this:
The 83+SE comes out. By then they make applications for every feature on the 89 plus some from other calcs and put them on the internet. Which would you buy? :
1. A 89 that can barely hold anymore programs?
2. An 83+SE that has double the features and equal computing power?

You forget that the 89 already has all of these functions built into the AMS, so it doesn't have to spend flashROM on these things. And plus, do you realize how slow some of that would be (even on a 15mhz z80)? And where's the ability to include these programs into the command line (eg: limit(sigma(i^2,i,1,n),n,infinity))? Last time I heard, flashapps can't be run from the command line. Trust me, the 89 (and 92+) will always be superior calculators (in the math part). And also, a 10.5 mhx 68k has more processing power than a 15 mhz z80. Don't use mere clockspeeds to compare processing power, especially across different architectures.

I really hate having to correct someone because they did not read what I typed:

I know that the Z80 and the 68k processors are very different. I am not stupid. Z80- 8bit & 68k- 32bit. They might have near equal computing power as what I stated before. Look at a Pentium 60 (Ti-89) and a 486 dx2 66(Ti-83+SE) though, the pentium wins or it's equal. Think about the LCD differences, while the 68k is chugging away, the z80 barely has to worry. It is way to close to call without any hard evidence so no one should say any calc is more efficient than the other right now. Notice I said "efficient" and not "better" because I know the 89 will always be better.

In which case getting dusty 82 is a 386 and my healy used 86 a K5?

Okay. It's my turn. The TI-83 Plus SE is awesome. Face it. With it's 1.54 megabyte memory with 28 K of Ram, you've got unlimited space to a point. And with the 16 Mhz processor, which is a big upgrade from the previous TI-83 Plus, you've got some speed to a point. You may not need that now, but like the Pentium 4:1.5 Ghz, you're going to need that speed later on in the calculators life to run higher-end games, programs and applications. The TI-83 Plus SE selling for 130-150. That is a great buy considering other calculators in comparison (not just TI's). To put all this together, they've put together a nice see-through silvery looking case and lid. I think they put the memory in and then they put the more mhz in and then they called it "Silver Edition" because it was nice. Then they probablty colored it silver to match it's name. ;)
I am definetly getting one and I am surprised at the response of others in the survey. I truely thought there'd be a greater response toward the "Yes, I've got to own every TI" (or whatever). Though, I didn't mean exactly that, I did mean that I intended to get the TI-83 Plus SE the day it comes out.

Just thought I'd give my input.

--NATE

It's 24K of RAM, and a 15 MHz processor.

Or, you could get an 89. Sure it's only got a bout 1/3 of the flash ROM, but the 10 MHz of an 89 is faster than the 83+ SEs 15 MHz, gracias to the 68K architecture. Also, it's got significantly greater math power (integrals from the home screen - it's a godsend) and gaming power (Phoenix is a must if you own one). But then again, that's just my 2 cents.

I totally support "torrenttrue". I might not get the TI83+SE the first day it comes out; I might not even buy it at all.

But I am totally for all the 83-family die-hard supporters out there, and hope to see a TI83+ Platinum Edition in the future.

I own a TI83 Plus myself, and I finally figured out how to work it. Picture this. A middle school student would:

1.) think it is an awesome calc because of its case (this is not all this calc has, but it is what they would see).

2.) actually understand how to work it; i've never used anything but an 83 Plus, but the more advanced ones would be confusing.

3.) be able to put more games on the calc (again, this is not the only feature of this calculator)

In all, a middle-school student (who the calc is designed for) would rather buy an 83 Plus than a large, expensive 89. This is my $(100/5000) worth.

--kjboy987

Actually it's more like a 386 that someone happened to put a 30gig hard drive and a new case on. If anything, I would compare the TI-89/92+ to a 1.5gHz PIV.

Here's a thought for TI.
Why not combine an MP3 player with something like an 89,except better. I mean the technology's out there to do it. It would just be a matter of cost. Though I doubt TI will do anything like that for quite awhile, and wait for tech to get even cheaper.

No, I doubt that TI will ever do this because of one simple thing. Calculators are for MATH! Can you imagine a bunch of 7th graders listening to Backstreet Boys in their math classes? Dear God, It would drive teachers insane!