Survey posted 2001-01-07 17:22 by Andy Selle.

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Hum.... Yall do know that nothing is going to work on these new ones, right? It's going to be ti-89/hardware 2 ALL OVER AGAIN. They really ought to call it a ti-83++ or a ti-84, because it will likely not run many of the old ASM programs. Sorry for the downer.

It says on www.ti.com that the Silver Edition will be perfectly compatible with the TI-83+ with both BASIC and Assembly. I wouldn't want one anyway. I want a TI-89 Silver Edition, gosh darnit!

I want a TI-92+ silver edition!!!

an i want a million dollars, but who the hell am i kidding?

I personaly would like to see expantions on the TI-85/86 line.....

Yea... sadly, the timing is gonna be all messed up and assembly games are gonna go WAY too fast. Plus the ram locations are most likely gonna be moved around at least a *little* which is enough to crash the calc. btw... what will the extension for the 83+SE be? 83+ is *.8xp maybe the SE will be something like *.8Sp

TI said the silver edition will be completely compatible w/ BASIC programs and Flash Apps. The extensions will probably be *.8xp, just like a regular 83 Plus.

--kjboy987

Yep.....I'll buy one alright.......when Nader is president of thw United States and pigs fly! I've already got an 89.......why would I ever need an overpowered 83+? The next thing you know, TI's gonna make a TI-83+ gold edition with a built in piggy bank to hold coins and a makeup mirror for the girls.

Well, you can strap pigs to rockets. And I believe some day a third-party candidate will be elected office. That may be many years away, though. :)

Thats what they WANT you to think!

<Shivering>

Rant:
I can understand why someone wouldn't want to buy this calculator. I mean, if you already have a calculator, and you're not a "need new toys!" person, what do you need a new calculator for? What I don't understand is people who complain at TI for creating this calculator. I mean, people are always trying to figure out ways to overclock calculators, or create expanders for more memory. Now TI has done this for you, and all you do is complain. If you don't want to calculator, fine, don't buy it. But understand that TI created this calculator because people said they wanted more memory and a faster processor.

Want a TI-89 with more memory or a faster processor? Why don't you do something constructive (complaining to ticalc board does not count) and send a *polite* email to TI explaining your position and why you think they should create such a calculator. If you remember way back, when the 92 Plus module was announced, TI said they had no plans to create a vertical version of the TI-92. Well, people said they wanted one, and along came the TI-89. So, don't just sit there and complain, do something about it. But please, don't complain when TI is doing something *good*.
Rant_End:

Imho, it would be a waste of money.

But if they made a TI-89 silver edition, I would buy one of THOSE!

Me too

Me too^2

Me... uh... three^2?!?

Ti only cares about getting new people interested into buying the Ti-83+ Silver Edition. Yes, at the same time, people who already own a 83+ could get one but that's not the point. Ti only cares about the Ti-92+,89, and 83+SE now (or really just 89 and 83+SE). Isn't that evident? They aren't going to upgrade the 86 just because of "popular demand." They would only do it if the 86 was in the 83+'s place or where they could make alot of money over along period of time. After a while Ti will release the updated 89 because people have settled down buying an 83+ and when they see a bigger, better, able to use it for everything calculator, they will go and get the updated 89. It is just timing and investing. Ti is into the "education" market, not the gaming market so that's why there are still 24k of RAM instead of more. All the "94" apps are going to be based for math solving.

My 2% of $1.00 :
There will never be a Ti-86"+".
The 86 will be retired like the 85 and 82.
The Ti-89 will be updated within 6-12 months after the 83+ SE comes out.
There will be another silent period where nothing goes on, like from the time the 83+ was first released to now.

As a programmer I know how hard this would be but apps should be able to come in sizes other than multiples of 16384 bytes. It's pretty stupid. Also a question (please email me at alex@radicalsoft.org if you can answer): Will the SE support apps over 10 flash pages in size?

Are you planning a 1.5 MB game? :)

In response to the comment made that TI enthusiasts should politely e-mail TI to suggest changes in calculators, may I say this: TI will NOT respond if only a few people e-mail with requests.

Now, I would really like a faster 89 with a bigger screen and more memory, not to mention a case other than black, to prevent smearing(Anybody else notice that 89s show fingerprints more clearly than all earlier calcs?). But if I am the only person writing in saying I want this, nothing will happen outside of a form reply saying that they received my suggestion. If you want an improved TI-XX, speak up!

I might buy the 83+SE, though I would take a Sharpie and make it either the 83++ or the 84 within 3 seconds of purchase. I already own the 83, 83+, and 89, and I definitely like and still use the 83+, in spite of owning an 89.

One simple question to other TI enthusiasts out there- has anyone else noticed that the early TIs had a thin plastic shield over the LCD? My 83 can be polished to mirror shine, but my 83+ and 89 always tend to look a little scraggly, even after cleaning.

Knight/Rocket's 2c.

"In response to the comment made that TI enthusiasts should politely e-mail TI to suggest changes in calculators, may I say this: TI will NOT respond if only a few people e-mail with requests."
...My point exactly. That's why everyone who's interested (which hopefully amounts to more than "a few people", otherwise you're not going to get anywhere regardless) should email TI. TI has taken suggestions in the past, and there's no reason why they wont consider them now. Of course, I wont promise that they'll listen to anyone's specific suggestions, but they're sure more likely to if you email them...

If you go to www.ti.com, look at the FAQs. In the FAQ for almost every calc is a question that goes something like "Why did TI make this calc?" Almost every one consists of something along the line of "teachers and students wanted this so we made it!"

You ever think that it might be true? If everyone thought the TI-82 was fine as-is, TI would have never created the TI-83. If everyone thought the TI-85 was fine as-is, TI would have never created the TI-86. Since TI does have to sell these things, they do try to cater to what students and teachers want. My point above was that if they don't know what you want (if you don't tell them (read: email)) there is less of a chance that they're going to make it.

Anyone want me to make a page that sends TI an e-mail automatically saying that you want a TI 89 SE type thingie?

My 50% of 4% of $1.00

Did you ever wonder if the product guys at TI ever read the results from these surveys and the comments?

They probably do.

<<One simple question to other TI enthusiasts out there- has anyone else noticed that the early TIs had a thin plastic shield over the LCD? My 83 can be polished to mirror shine, but my 83+ and 89 always tend to look a little scraggly, even after cleaning.>>

i have noticed that also. i liked that i could take that plastice cover off of my 85 and clean it with windex or some other brand or window cleaner and not have to spray the entire calc. now the best cleaning my 89 gets is a spit shine. i wonder, do they make entire plastic sleeves for calcs like they have for computer keyboards. i like how those collect dirt in the grooves and keep things looking spiffy.

onefastfiveoh

Is there any way to adhere, glue, staple, weld, etc. a small, thin piece of clear plastic to the screen to make the screen easier to clean?

Knight/Rocket's 6c.

Probably, but I'd keep away from stapling and welding.

Sure. Ever seen screen protectors for Palms/pocket PCs and the like? You could buy a package of those and cut them into managable sizes for calculators.

You could also use clear Scotch tape, if you don't mind the lines across the screen, or adhesive vinyl (you might be able to get this at your local department store). Perhaps, you could cut a rectangle of transparency film (the stuff they use on overhead projectors) and slip it under the edges of the case; I'm not sure if this would work for most calculators.

If you're wondering how I know this, my father and I both own Palms, and are rather clumsy people, so we've experimented with varied forms of screen protection, some of which translate well to calculator screens. ^_^

-- Nick, who has just written his longest post

The 86 has that too. I should know. I have one.

B.T.W.
A calculator's main purpose is math. Games just happen to be a cool side-effect. The 86 and 89 have better math and game capabilities. (Don't go into applications because i'm sick of it.

Why doesn't TI just put the features into the calc? If they don't, they should just put out a calc with 3 megs of memory and make apps for 2+2. I'm afraid it might get like that.

I believe the average size for the actual programming of the calc is 256k. That leaves over 2.8 megs for gaming goodness! Hmm, that might not be such a bad idea...