Survey posted 1999-10-06 23:07 by Andy.

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heheheh ANY TI-83 + users should even care about having their calc's memory erased! I just keep the programs ION and IONZ archived on my calc at all times so i can re-instal ion, and since ion gets games from your archive space and puts em back in, i dont care if the teacher comes up to me and deletes my memory, i just spen one minutes re-installing ion, and i am off again.

It is ILLEGAL for someone to clear your calculator's memory without your permission, regardless of anything. That is your intellectual property. If you have programs you wrote stored only on the calculator, it also violates a number of copyright and industrial sabotage laws. When you play games in class, it is not disruptive to the learning of others. By law, your own learning is your personal responsability and no one else's as of the age of 16. Since you are not disrupting others, your teacher cannot tell you to pay attention as of age 16, and your teacher will definitely not be able to use truancy laws to circumvent intellectual property laws for those under 16. Therefore, your teacher cannot at any time for any reason clear your memory. If your teacher does so, you have good grounds for a law suit, assuming you can find some way of translating it into damages. On the other hand, if it's a school provided calculator, the teacher obviously has the right to erase the memory. If your teacher ever tries to clear your memory again, I'd highly suggest blatantly refusing, and then informing the superiors (I'm sure your teacher will set an appointment up for you) of the legal aspects. If your teacher asks you to stop playing games, those in public schools over the age of 16 do not have to, so long as they are not being disruptive (I can't think of a behavior that would reasonably be called disruptive I've ever seen someone enact while using a calculator). If you are not in a public school, or are under 16, you will have to seek legal counsel regarding your exact situation to be sure of policy.

Is it me, or do we have a bunch of law students in the TI community?

Actually I'm a computer science and engineering major. It just so happens "student rights" is a bit of a hobby of mine, due to circumstances I have recently been in.

more power to ya then

Sorry aard, but that would never ever ever hold up in a court of law. Letter vs. purpose of law would school all of those arguments. Beyond that, it would never get beyond the school system, as your principal/authority figure would most likely laugh in your face.
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Phil

In all honesty, national law recognises you as an intellectual being able to make decisions on youer own between right and wrong at age nine. In new york statte, my local laws prevent anyone from messing with my caclulator/computer/laptop/ect...
This law only covers the programs that I have paid for or I have made myself, any other freeware or shareware progrsmas (weather expiered or not, but nmot paid for) can be deleted since they are not my property, but the property of the author.
So, if you have just games that you did not make, nor have the copyright to the programs ect... on the calc, and you live in NY, you better have a program worthwhile on your caclulator if your even thinking of going to the courts.
Oh, and the administrators will laugh in your face, but they stop when they find out one of your uncles is a lawyer and the other is a police luitenant ;)

I was sorta playing with my TI-86 this morning (in fact, I'm posting this from school right now) in my Trig. class but I'm basically in the same boat as everyone else; I get fine grades, do all my homework, and understand the methods being explained so I'm not in trouble. I didn't actually have a game going, but I was surely doing stuff that was less important than class. I do remember back in my freshman year with Algebra II that a few of my buddies would compete with each other to make weird graphs and do all sorts of non-essential stuff to pass the time. Fortunately, I was only using the school's ancient TI graphing calc. (don't remember the model; it had a blue case) but I got a stern request for an answer for a simple equation that I hadn't been following after my teacher realized that I wasn't paying attention.

correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you referring to the 81? That's the only one with a blue case as far as i know.

I checked it out today and it was a TI-82. If the blue, blocky case is rare or unheard of, it might be some sort of academic edition. That's my guess if every other TI-82 ain't blue.

In my grade there are about 4 graphlinks. Mine, another that is shared by 8 people (sad) and two others that are used covertly. So naturally I am the supplyer for games. 98% of us have 83+'s me included (There was a school deal for 70 bucks), the rest about 10 kids has 82's and 83s or an 86. I have to take home one of the 82s every week due to them playing in class and deleting their ram, I have begun to charge them money for the service of giving them programs.
Our Algebra 2 (honors) teacher claims that "Games are bad" and her solution to bringing the graph back to normal is clear the ram.
Another thing that puzzles me is that no body understands what I give them when I do, I gave someone Ion the other day and they said "I thought you were going to give me the program A"
Aso I was wondering is there anyone who would be interested in selling me an 86 or 89

In my grade I think I'm the only person with a graphlink, so about a day after getting mine my calculator was famous all over the school.

When I was in 6th friggin grade (yes, friggin - my Science, LA, S.S teachers would take my calc for a week), I got a graphlink.

* All these wanna-be's came up to me asking for my graphlink - blatently refused
* My friend was beggin' for my graph link. I just told him to tell me which prgms to get, then I'd get them. I remember at that time, my ASM programs sucked (for example:
On 86,
PROGRAM:T86CRASH
:AsmPrgm
:E2

Then, I ran Asm(T86CRASH @ homescreen

On 83,
PROGRAM:T86CRASH
:E2
:End
:0000
:End

Make a program (prgmB)
PROGRAM:B
Send(9prgmT86CRASH

Run prgmB

On 83+:borrowed
PROGRAM:T86CRASH
:AsmPrgm
:E2

Then, run Asm(T86CRASH @ homescreen

On 86, Runindic stops moving (COMPLETE CRASH!)
83, Endless loop (You need to pull batts)
83+, Not tested yet.

* I became famous all over school (except for the friggin 8th graders who try to steal my linkcord, which was snapped in two. It became my calculator's speaker - a good way to salvage a crapped up linkcord, eh??)

Note: Am in 7th grade

interesting comments. we HAD to get 83 plus' for our math class and its funnier than hell. no one knows how to use them.
the teachers had 1 WEEK of training, so i wrote a "screensaver" that repeated over and over and over and my techer didn't know what to do. naturally i laughed my ass off.

It's pretty easy not to get caught. You just program your games to quit if you hit MODE! Not to hard eh!

Reply to my own comment:
I suppose this only works for math. Otherwise you just say you were figuring out your avg. or something. My teachers don't know sh-t about calculators. Most don't even know they can have games. What idiots!

I got caught in Spanish once with my 83+. My teacher told me if she saw it again, she would take it. Luckily she knows NOTHING about calculators (or computers) and probably couldn't turn it on (or clear the memory). My History teacher couldn't care less. Students can get away with almost anything in her class. I play games on it and she walks by, glances at it and similes. In fact, I am working on a 20 feet link cable right now so I can link with a friend across the room.

This may be a messed idea, but how about a wireless like with a outside power soure, such as two double A battries. Then if it was powerful enough, it could talk between class rooms, and people would not trip over it. Also you would probaly get a lot of interfirence with a 20 foot cable, but if you wanted to make it use an alarm cable, it has about 5 wires in a plastic case about the size of a regular cable, it might even come in black, but the only color I have seen is white and in a 3000 foot box, I am sure that you do not need all that cable, unless, you were to bulid a calc network. That might be an idea. I have some ideas about a wireless module code named BlueArrow (BA), with an upgrade slot, for fun goodies. =:)

I've been caught, but only a few times. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a teacher has caught on to the fact that you aren't doin math. The time i was caught was when one godd**n kid, who was jealous that a popular kid could be smart enough to put notes in his calculator, turned me in. I couldn't use my ti-86 on the final exam. PISSED ME OFF!!!. I got a C on the exam. KICKED HIS A**!!

My addition to the getting caught playing calculator games subject:

My Spanish teacher from last year was from Africa, so she was always like 'Wow, you can put games on those?...' I could just take my 92 out in the middle of class and start playing, and she wouldn't even notice. I passed that class easy (Spanish III is the same as Spanish IIA).

I got an 89 a few months ago and I have not alerted the math department at school about it, like I stupidly did with my 92, so I can use it on the tests and the math teachers think it's an 86 or something. I just program all the formulas and functions in and ace the tests (which makes the suckers that rely on grade curving go insane, yes, my math teacher curves the grades)

I like games with teacherkey functions, in fact I only put those games on my calculators. Rascall on the 86 RULES!!!! I locked my memory and the teacher's got the calculator at his desk trying to erase it while I just sit back and grin..... Teachers at my school don't know that if you pull a battery while the calc is on it wipes it

In math last year the teacher had a class set of 83's. I got someone who had an 83 with games on it to lend it to me so I could put the games on my class-issued calculator. With the help of a program my friends and I call WeirdShell, I kept those games on the calc for most of the year. No one knew how to exit it (there's only 2 ways) so the memory remained intact through the weekly memory wipes.
Here's WeirdShell: (TI-83 format)
:ClrHome
:Disp ""
:Output(1,13,"Dot")
:Output(1,15,"ne")
:Lbl A
:Input "",Str0
:Disp 3
:Goto A
It simulates the 'Done' message! the zero length string in the input command gets rid of the ? prompt.
If the 3 is put in quotes, it won't work right.
How to exit it:
Press 2nd+Quit
Press ON
I have Doors for the 89 but it sucks because the stupid @sshole that made it made the release version with all the good features IN FRENCH. What an IDIOT.

Oh well I play games half looking at the screen and half paying attention so if the teacher comes near, I press the teacherkey.

I'll shut up now.

Genius, pure genius, that program rocks, oh yeah--all get BGPic--i have this translucent energy ball with lighting coming off back as destop! it rocks!
hey man thx for WeirdShell--i made it for 86 though--y dont u put it out for all TI-XX's if u dont tell me and i will.

Hey, i have an addition to make to this program(this is for TI-86)
:ClLCD
:Disp ""
:Output(1,17,"Done"
:Lbl A
:Input "",WSS
:Disp WSS
:Goto A
:DelVar(WSS)
--this will make most normal math functions work and in this you wont have a strng left in your calc
in output do 13 for 83