Survey posted 2002-09-04 13:33 by Magnus.

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w00t!!!!
first post!!!

Anyways, i plan to get a keyboard.
it looks pretty cool to me

It may be pretty cool, it's pretty expensive too. I've had my 83- for more than 3 years now, so I can type pretty quickly on the built-in keyboard. I don't think I'll buy the keyboard, sorry TI ;).

You're absolutely right.

Hey, I broke the 50%-50% result.

Hey! I put it back to 50/50! :)

from what TI says it's only $39.95

seems like a waste to me, why would I need it, the keyboard on it is easy enough, and Im not gonna use it to take note, I use my newton for that. I can just write on my newton and it recognizes it, ie palm, but before palm, and it works better.

well, sellers always put a nice little 'ONLY' word in front of their little prices no matter how little they sometimes are. anyays, i think $40 for a calc keyboard is outrageous. most folks who have calcs for a long period of time can type very fast on the builtin keyboard (haha, sure 92/+ users :)) i would consider buying the keyboard if it was like $20 max (look at PC keyboards, they're like free comparing to TI keyboard!). okay, my raving comes to the end here...

Before long there will be all sorts of schematics in the archives on how to build a little (PC) PS/2(keyboard) to calc coverter for a fraction of the price. And I hope that such a home made keyboard will include Ti-83 support...

See the URL. We've had this out much longer than TI.

:) My schematical picture looks nice eh?

Try fitting all that stuff in your back pack and typing on your desk with it lol.

I know a few people who would love to do that...

No offence, but the software sounds a little crappy. I think I'll build such a thing and try to write a Ti-83 driver if I can find the time (I'm building a Ti-83 driven robot for a school project at the moment).
It should be possible to write an interrupt routine to just simply replace the build in Ti keyboard with this thing. Who knows... It would be cheaper than TI's keyboard, that's for shure.

Well I got lazy and didn't feel like making a full text-editor...

Who can blame you...

Yeah, Micheal, your GOD!
w00t!
PARADE for you!

That is what I do, but it is far easier to type non-words than to get the recognizer to interpret them correctly. Try writing "Miles:=StringToNumber( :Parent().MilesInput.text);" as one line and you'll see what I mean. Programming goes _much_ slower when you use the recognizer and speed is only marginally improved by using the on-screen keyboard. I might get one of these for the sole purpose of adapting it to work with the Newton.

That sample line of code was from a project that I had to do in my CS class. I am one of about 2 people who has already programmed and the instructor started us out with a miles-per-gallon calculator for everyone else’s' sakes. I wrote my program in about 2 minutes using NewtDevEnv.

Lastly, if the keyboard is anywhere near as good as the Newton keyboard is, then it is well worth the price. The Newt kbd is almost silent, it can take some serious abuse (being dropped 5 stories, thrown against concrete, a middle-schooler’s backpack, etc.), and it has reasonably sized keys.

$40 is still a lot. I think it would be a nice thing to have, and it would really make programming easier, but can use just imagine yourself going into science or math and trying to take notes by plugging in a massive keyboard to your calculator? First of all, it would take up all the room on your desk, and second of all, you'd REALLY look weird, but that's okay since everbody at my H.S. knows I'm a geek/nerd/etc. (especially those in the "advanced" classes).

_ONLY_ $39.95??

What are ya, nuts?

lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price! lower the price!
visit my site!
w00t!

I'll Bogus YOU!

????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????? What the @#$@#! "I'll BOGUS YOU?" thats the worse phrase i've heard since yesterday!

<scary music> Only IT knows! </scary music>

I agree. Ive had my ti83+ for 9 1/2 months and I can type pretty fast on it. i wouldn't spend $40 on it. Id go buy an xbox game or a blues jersey...

I can type w/ my eyes closed on my TI-89. I also do it relatively fast.

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Texas Instruments Eighty-Three Minus

lol

Voyage 200+S+G+E: Voyage 200 Plus Silver Plus Gold Plus Edition...

as for ti-89s, do you think that only those sporting this devil 2.08 ams will actually be compatible with the keyboard? i did not upgrade yet and it would be a hell of a choice whether to upgrade because of the keyboard support...

They're all compatible.

only 2.08 is compatible

no, all ams versions are supported. ur thinking of OS 1.15.

for TI-89 only 2.08 is compatible

Oh, well then I guess a 2.05 user like me can't use it :(

Oh don't you keep saying that.
See my comment below about the remote control protocol. This works with any TIOS.
Evidence:
When you compile and run a program in TIGCC, you can run it on your calculator through the link port. The TIGCC IDE sends commands that will emulate one keypress. A group of those keypresses is sent to empty the command line, type your program name, and press enter (key 13). This works on all versions of the TIOS.

no, ur just scht00pid!

Hey! I'm the scht00pid one!

Now, let me get this BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG complaint out
<big>
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<very very big>
<mad>
AAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I HATE ENRIE EVERETT, MICHAEL SHAFFER AND MICHAEL LERMA! YOU STINK!!!!!! THEY MADE A STUPID BASIC PROGRAM, A VERY STUPID BASIC PROGRAM AND THEN THEY PUT THE TITLE OF IT AS SUPER SMASH BROS MELEE AND PUT IT IN THE ASSEMBLY GAMES FOLDER, WHEN IT'S JUST A CRAP BASIC PROGRAM! NOW THEY GOT A HIGH POPULAR DOWNLOAD RATE! I HATE THAT! DELETE THAT FILE! THEY SHOULD DIE FOR THAT! DDDIIIIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
</mad>
</very very big>
</very big>
</big>

Okay, I'm done :)

Yeah...I realized that too...

THEY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM ticalc.org!!!!! WHO AGREES WITH ME????

I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!

Me2

KEEL THEM f00l!s! KEEL THEM ALL! MAKE THEM LEARN HOW TO PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE!

C'MON <ITALICS>I</ITALICS> CAN MAKE A BETTER GAME THAN THAT! MAGNUS SHOULD cHANGE THAT FILES FOLDER. BETTER YET! I WILL WRITE A CRAPPY REVIEW ABOUT THEM! LOL! w00t! Those goat-lovers!

Report it as an inapropiate program at the bottom of the program screen.(hmm never thought of that til just now guess it is useful after all)

What a great idea. In fact, I have done just that once. Somebody posted some crappy basic maze program in the asm games folder claiming it used the FAT engine. I sent an 'inapropriate content' message, and the next time I visited this site, it was in the correct folder.

Let's KILL THEM! I actually want to become a reviewer..... but that section of the site as of now is "dead" but Magnus said it might come back.

Kill them

Goat-Lovers, I spawned a new internet phrase!

all AMS's work

I think you need 2.08. It's easy to get though. The new Ti-Connect program automatically backs up and restores files. However, I don't see the point of a keyboard for a calculator. If you're that serious about programming, just get an emulator- they're free.

w00t!

i'd like to get one (tho my parents are paying for it:P) but it looks a lil big.. it says its compact.. but it looks as if its bigger than my binder.. which isnt good. does anyone know if this is true? also, does anyone know if there would be a folding version coming out sometime? (like the ones for the palm)

Folding keyboards are far easier to break, so I do not think that TI will make a folding version. I would guess that its qwerty is about 85% of the size of the qwerty portion of a computer keyboard.

Personaly, I think that a Blackberry style thumb keyboard would make much more sense on a TI, but that would make the calc _very_ long. they could concievably make a thumb kbd that has a cable instead of a plug on the front, but it would still be weird.

they should put a USB port on the Ti-83, so after you write something on your keyboard, you can print it off on your printer

I relize that wont ever happen, but admit it, that would be pretty freaking cool

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy for something new to post on. The other one was starting to take longer to load than me going to the bathroom, washing my hands and coming back. (weird analogy, but true)

I feel for you, man. I was stuck with half speed dialup for the past few years. The area where I now live, however, has free wireless broadband. I love wireless T3 lines, but FTTH (fiber to the home, it gets speeds aproaching 500Mbaud IIRC) would be cooler.

Now for the content. This seems like a stupid move on TI's part. The keyboard can only be used in their special app and the 83+ has no clipboard or other such features. If they totaly redid the OS, then it might be possible to get the kbd to work elsewhere, but that would break compatibility with older programs that rely on 1 character variable names. They could make a new app that would let you write programs and then tokenize them, but I doubt that they will. It is also possible that they might let Detached Solutions take a stab at making a tokenizer. The kbd would go fairly well with TitanASM and someone could just write an output plugin that makes TIBasic programs.

1. It can be used in OS 1.15 at the homescreen, and probably other places. Still, I doubt there's tokenization.
2. Why would it break programs relying on 1-character names?
3. Yes, TitanASM support and a tokenizer would be nice. I just hope they can be made to work with the PS/2 link as well.

The only use I see for it at the home screen is to type strings.

It would break old programs because of the way that the 83 series interprets variables. The 83 interprets AB as A*B. If you added long variable names, it would interpret AB as a new variable which it would initialize to zero. This would prove to be a rather large problem.