I guess its just an upgrade from the 89s with more ram and ti says it costs "about" the same...I agree, either it should have a faster speed or include color like the casios

A few extra Mhz would be nice yes, but then you must not think about backward compatibility with existing games. On the other hand, MacOS X doesn't have backward compatibility either and that makes it a lot better.

Personally I'd like to be able to draw more than one 3D graph at a time, but I guess I that's a bit too much asked for.

No, it has full backwards compatibility.

Older MacOS applications can run right alongside newer ones. The difference now is that older programs won't take out all others (or the OS) if it dies.

It's not full backwards compatiblity, the older OS is emulated, and from what i've heard OS 9.2 system files still must exist on the machine somewhere. At least XP doesn't require Win98 to be on the computer.

Andrew

True, but XP isn't an upgrade of 98. It's an upgrade from 2000, and they are very much the same.
(XP is to 2000 as ME is to 98 OR as 98 is to 95)

While XP seems to be highly back-compatible, some software/hardware requires Windows 98, so I used PartitionMagic to put Windows XP and Windows 98 on the same computer. All I have to do is pick which one I want on boot-up.

XP seems to be very reliable (especially for Windows standards) and I would recommend it for sure.

XP
Version 2002

XP is Windows 2000 on crack. See the pretty colors? Do you see them? I see the colors... they're so pretty...

Ugh, I hate XP! It wasn't compatible with my scanner software, for one thing (thought it was NT), so I had to get a whole new program for it. Yes...yes, I CAN see the pretty colors!...

I killed the pretty colors... Windows Classic Theme, very nice :)

Wrong! Your scanner application wasn't compatible with Windows XP, not the other way around.

And XP is internally Windows NT 5.1. It *is* NT--that's the whole point of the upgrade. It's better this way--the NT codebase is very stable (in comparison) and now there's only one (NT-based) platform for device driver and application developers. Things will get better quick.

I would suggest you just get Win2K. It's like XP after the crack wears off.

MacOS X is based on Unix which is an entirely different system than older MacOS versions. Older applications run in an emulated environment which, I've heard, causes the whole system to become unstable sometimes. Apple hopes that new versions of existing software comes out as soon as possible, so that the emulated MacOS 9 can be forgotten and MacOS X can show its true power...

Well, Mathematica is available for MacOS X (see the link above).

Actually, if a os 9 app crashes in os x, only other os9 apps are affected. (Idont use os 9 apps much cause most of my apps are compatible)

I am pretty sure you could step up the processor speed and still maintain backwards compatibility. And if not, then with a fast enough processor you could just emulate.

Just look at the 83+ SE - faster processor, fully compatible

But the processor is still 8 bit and the screen still has poor resolution and can't handle grayscale like 85> calcs. And it costs about as much as 89, which is by far better that SE.

>>>...and can't handle grayscale...<<<

That is an untrue statement.

>That is an untrue statement

Maybe, but that's not what he said. He said it can't handle grayscale like the 85> calcs can. Big difference.

To me, it sounded like he thought 85s and up could handle greyscale, but the 83s couldn't.

He could have said "The 83s can't handle greyscale as well as the 85>s do."

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

Exactly. We were discussing increasing the speed of the same processor, not using a different one.

The TI83+SE can choose at which speed it runs. Assembly programs run at the same speed as on a regular 83 or 83+, thus maintaining compatibility.

Yea, the SE does chose what speed to run at, but still no asm programs have been made to run at the faster speed (compared to the normal 83/83+ programs).

You can call the SetExSpeed when programming APP's, 6,15 or greatest future speed...

Basic programs are 15Mhz

Drawing graphs and performing calculations without a program is slower than 6MHz :(

Well even if you can call the higher speed in apps, who really has to the time to make all of their games into apps? To really use the SE speed would to be able to call it up during a asm program or some normal calculator functions. Then you could really see the power of the SE, along with all of its ram and archive space. Once someone finds a way to do that (maybe someone all ready has) the the SE will really stand out of the rest of the 83's.

Think about this for just a second.

If you get too fast, then the battery power will dwindle, especially on simple calculations that don't need the speed. Maybe a speed meter, allowing you to slow it down when needed and speed it up when needed.

And, a faster processor would get too hot. TI can't incorporate a fan inside, because it's loud, moving, and would suck even more battery power.

How do such tiny devices as Palm PC's and MP3 players have 133 MHz processors w/t fans and no problem?

My HP Jornada runs at 133Mhz, gets warm after using it for a while, and sucks battery power like a baby does milk. I never noticed my TI-89 getting warm OR running too slowly. Would you like to spend $4 or so for AAA batteries every week or two, just so it will solve an equation maybe in 2 seconds instead of 5?

Because cpus liker StrongARM use literally no heat compard to Intel CPUs. (my Game Boy Advance whichi0uses a StrongARM cpu never generates any heat)