Survey posted 2001-03-21 06:28 by Andy Selle.

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arne't I special. First time I have actually had first post.. and first person to be an extremist on the yes side. I carry around the 85, 86, and 89 hand book. I used to own all three, now my 86 is with my cousin, my 85 is missing and my 89 has died due to lack of batteries. But i carry around all 3 because thats what everyone has in my math class.. I dont even look at those 82 line of calcs.. I dont like them... I became hooked to the 85 line... now i love my 86 and hate my 89... even though the 89 has cool games... oh well..i'm too weird.

Here's a little tip to help your 89's power problem:

The 89 uses what we call 4 "AAA" batteries. These batteries are not fixed in the calculator; they can easily be replaced. First, you must go to the store to buy new batteries--yes, some stores sell them! To replace your 89's batteries, first remove the door in the back of your calculator--this door has been aptly named the "battery door". You should see 4 AAA-size batteries that look somewhat like the ones you purchased. Remove them, and put in the 4 batteries you bought while, of course, paying careful attention to the direction that they are in. Place the battery door back into it's alloted slot, and press the "ON" button on the front of your calculator. The calculator should turn on--and the batteries are no longer dead! Your plight has been resolved!

"It was later when I realized that sarcasm was the weapon of the weak."

--Gene from A Separate Peace by John Knowles

Who says I was being sarcastic?

Pssh, don't listen to him, there's nothing wrong with being sarcastic. :P

*runs away*

Sorry, this is kind of unrelated, but why is there a "I don't own a calculator" choice on all the polls? If you are coming to ticalc.org, you probably have a calculator (most likely a TI graphing one).

Just me and my two cents.

Why would you carry a calculator book with you? Silly rabbit

Tricks are for kids(either physically and mentally)

Tricks are for hookers!!!

Homer's Mom: "Although I hardly consider "A Separate Peace" a ninth grade level of reading
Lisa: "Yeah, more like kindergarden"
*Both Laugh*
Lisa: "I hate John Knowles"
Homer's Mom: "Me too."

I just knew somebody would bring up that Simpsons quote!

Homer's Mom: "Although I hardly consider 'A Separate Peace' a ninth grade level of reading"
Lisa: "Yeah, more like kindergarden"
*Both Laugh*
Lisa: "I hate John Knowles"
Homer's Mom: "Me too."

ack, I hate it when other people do that. I guess I hate myself now.

Pathetic!!! You even got the quote severely wrong! It's the PROTEST of the weak, not the weapon. "It was only later when I realized sarcasm was the protest of the weak."

And the winner of the "Stupidest Comment of the Year" Award is.

Funny comment, but it's sad that you took out the time to write that lengthy post. Oh well.

Actually, it only took me about 3 minutes. Which I think most of us could fit into our schedules.

This is a little off topic, but my friend and I have a bet going. He is being a moron after watching this stupid show on FOX saying we didn't land on the moon. So everyone of you who was two ounces of sense, please reply to this so I can show him how unbelieveibly wrong he is. Thx.

I saw that show, and let me tell you: your friend just lost. Most of what was said is wrong. Take the scene where the American flag is waving as he puts it in the ground. This is a simple one to disprove.

As Neil Armstrong described it, the moon surface is a powdery, charcoal-like substance. Ever try to plant a flag in ashes? It DEFINITELY will wave unless you seriously try to stop it.

Also, the Russians were our competitors in the space race. How fast do you think they would blow the whistle if America faked going to the moon?

Thirdly, look at the metallurgy of the rocks they brought back. Metals are present in these rocks in proportions absolutely unheard of on Earth. In example, nickel is actually fairly rare on Earth. It also never appears as pure metal. In moon rocks, massive amounts of pure nickel are found.

Hope this helps. If you need mor einformation, just ask.

Knight/Rocket's 8c.

Thank you very much! This is exactly what I told him, and he said "well, they (NASA) doctored the photos because there are no stars and blah blah blah... something about crosshairs and junk", but he will not listen to reason and intends to be wrong. He says they stayed in orbit for 8 days twiddling their thumbs! Oh right... with that kind of money and technology, they could have been to the moon.

The crosshairs he's talking about were etched into the lenses of the cameras they used for reference points. So, if they're etched into the glass they should by on top of whatever they took pictures of right? There's several pictures where objects are covering the crosshairs. There's one picture where the flag is covering part of one and an astronaut another. How could they be covered unless the photos were doctored? There's a couple more good points but I have to go to class right now, I'll post more later.

I own a telephoto lens with the proper stadia marks that you describe. It IS possible for things to cover or completely obscure those marks. In fact, due to the angle of refraction used by the camera, it is highly likely that those stadia marks could not be present on the finished photo. Typically, a picture is taken, then the stadia marks are included as a frame of reference later in the developing process. It is very likely that the developer of the film simply messed up when he laid the film out to set.

Also, it is very difficult for those marks to show on their own in the developing process. Since the camera's focal point is outside the lens, the camera will often completely miss the marks, similar to having a hair on eyeglasses and not seeing it until they are removed. Then the marks are included later to serve as an indicator of scale for the viewer.

Those marks are not for the photo viewer's benefit, they exist to let the photographer properly set up a photograph.

Knight/Rocket's 10c.

fag,
how can you hate an 89? I have a 92+ (essentialy the same) which wamps any 85-86 line calcs ass. Any ways what fag type school do you go to that everyone carries their ti manuals? Huh? I bet your one of those PC programmin, Mac dissin, Windows Lover FAGS! News flash everyone, Windows sucks, Ti calcs are out and Palm OS devices Rule? Long live the mac and no hard feeling ti, but palm has a much better thing going for them. Wish they still made Apple Newtons. Now I'm off subject. Your gay to carry around manuals and diss 82-83-83+ series. Die.

Dude, chill, seriously. Every line of calcs (68k, 82/83, and 85/86) have their strengths, and weaknesses. It is hardly sensible to compare graphing calculators to PDA's. While calculators can have games, and the sort, their primary use is for mathematics classes. PDA's have more capabilities, and are generally not for math classes. Here's some news for ya: the Newton failed. Miserably. To call someone a "fag" and "gay" because they carry manuals is highly immature. Everyone has reasons for whatever they do, and it may or may not be pratical, so just back off. Just because someone uses a PC does not mean they "love" Windows, or even use it. Most of the time I am using Linux (Red Hat 7.0), but for games and such I do use Windows, but by no means "love" it. Let me address an issue here: Apple is no better than any other computer manufacturer, and in my opinion one of the worst. I have always been an apple hater. If you wish to continue this, either email me, or contact me via AIM. Just a tip for ya: inserting the word "die" at the end of your post isn't exactly helping your case.

I am so glad that someone has the balls to stick up for other people. it makes me proud to have been a geek in High school. thank you

P.S.
I couldn't have said it better myself!

I don't think you even got half the ballz.

P.S.
You definitely could'nt have said it better yourself!

Well, you obviously don't

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and you think YOU could've said it better?

hell yeah, i couldve said it better than you.

hell yeah, i couldve said it better than you.

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by the way, dizzy, nizzy or whatever that is kinda sucks.

Look man, first of all, your post is contradicting itself when it says "diss 82-83-83+ series. " yet implies that the 85-86 series suck. First of all, I own an 86, and it is all the calculator I ever wanted. AND, it costs no where near the money that an 89 or a 92 plus does. Secondly, you say nothing but opinion when you say macs suck, and, hate to break it to ya, but PC is the better system. That is not an opinion, that is a FACT. The only thing mac is better at are graphics, but PC is catching up fast, and will soon surpass mac in all fields. Not to mention, PC is A LOT cheaper, and if you build it yourself (which is a lot harder to do with a mac), it is even cheaper. Also, I don't like Bill Gates, or Microsoft, but Windows is the second best operating system out there (unix is the best), and Windows is a LOT more powerful than you probably give it credit for. Especially WinNT. You can't break through the security if the OS is set up right (given that you don't discover the password). Windows ME is a really nice operating system, nice interface as well. Heck, even Windows 3.1 is comparable to MacOS. AND, I happen to be a "pc programmin" person, and I don't appreciate your comments toward people like them. Finally, in Robert Snyder's defense, Until you have read the entire instruction booklet and understand every function and how to use all of them efficiently on the TI-86, then don't start getting on someones back about carrying around a manual. got it?

I aggree one hundread percent!!!!

Actually, PC's and Mac's have their good and bads. Good things about Mac's are that they do better with graphics and animation than that of the PC. Althought the PC is used by more people than Mac's are. Therfore it would have more games and such. But Mac's on the other hand are not made my Microsoft. Because we all know how much Microsoft sucks.

Before you go blabbing about PCs being better ONLY at graphics, you will want to do some research into computer architechture. A 700 MHz Mac will run rings around a 1 GHz PC due to better hardware design. The weaknesses of the Mac tend to be the amount of software available and the price, but those are changing quickly.

The truth is that the x86 architeture is not very good. I think that Apple is doing a good job at catching up with the PC in the past year or so.

Take a look at how fast the iMacs caught on; the popularity of the Macintoshes is higher than it ever has been. MacOS X has just been released, and it looks cooler than anything Windows has :P. Comparable to Win 3.1? LOL. Take a look at Aqua and say that again.

I have to admit, though, Windows is doing a better job with stability and security with their NT line of Windows (Win NT/Win 2000). In the days of Windows 95, security and stability were laughable.

Darwin, the base of Mac OS X, has its roots in Unix, so this should be interesting, since you rank Unix as #1 on your list. Stability and security are excellent in Unix, but I still have a lot of problems with installation and hardware support (I've been playing around with Linux, which is very similar) :(.

Anyway, you might want to make sure you have the latest info before saying it sucks.

I beg to differ about the following:
"A 700 MHz Mac will run rings around a 1 GHz PC due to better hardware design." Better hardware design, HA, that's a good one...

The x86 architecture has been around since the early 1980's, I would tend to think that if it has lasted thus far, that it would be quite good.

Another thing: I believe the previous post was refering to the older MacOS's (up to 9.1) being comparable to Windows 3.1. Unless you have never seen Win 3.1, you would know how true that comment is.
Sure, MacOS X is based on UNIX. Am I safe to assume that Apple was aware of how miserably their platform was failing? If you ask me, they realized that they couldn't churn out a successful OS themselves, so they pay people to write programs that allow older MacOS applications to run on a UNIX-based OS.

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I beg to differ about the following:
"A 700 MHz Mac will run rings around a 1 GHz PC due to better hardware design." Better hardware design, HA, that's a good one...
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OK, I just heard that. Hoever, I WAS able to find a few pages with benchmarks, such as http://www.jc-news.com/parse.cgi ?pc/benchmarking/xplat/ppc-x86, and I'm hard pressed to find a comparison that shows that the PC is vastly superior than the Mac. In nearly all tests, the Mac performs at least as well as the equivalent PC. I'd like you to show otherwise.

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The x86 architecture has been around since the early 1980's, I would tend to think that if it has lasted thus far, that it would be quite good.
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"Lasted" is correct. It's long overdue for an overhaul IMHO. We've got newer processors, newer protocols, stuff like Firewire and USB that are major advances, and yet the x86 architecture has remained the same. It wasn't designed for these technologies, yet it has to lug them around.

Did I mention that the Macs have been around for a long time also? And are making a comeback?

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Another thing: I believe the previous post was refering to the older MacOS's (up to 9.1) being comparable to Windows 3.1. Unless you have never seen Win 3.1, you would know how true that comment is.
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I HAVE seen Win 3.1, and have worked with it plenty. I'm also typing this message on MacOs 9.1. Cosmetically, MacOs looks better than Win 3.1 and 9x IMHO. Again, the PC looks no better than the Mac. And with MacOs X coming out, it is actually starting to look worse.

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Sure, MacOS X is based on UNIX. Am I safe to assume that Apple was aware of how miserably their platform was failing?
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Yes, however, their recovery has been with the IMac, not with MacOs X. MacOs X was released less than a week ago!!!

Blaming the OS doesn't make sense.

It was the fact that Apple was more restrictive on teh application side (and Microsoft's HUGE advertising campaign) that led to its downfall. Now that they're much less restrictive, and pulling a few advertising campaigns themselves, so they're recovering nicely.

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If you ask me, they realized that they couldn't churn out a successful OS themselves, so they pay people to write programs that allow older MacOS applications to run on a UNIX-based OS.
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It's not the OS, but rather the openness to allowing third party developers that is making them more successful. UNIX is the natural choice for open development, especially since so much has been done around Linux, which was designed open from the ground up.

One of the primary reasons for getting a PC has always been that there are more applications that run on PCs; hopefully with the new, more open OS, you will be seeing a lot more applications for the Macintosh.

Hey, you can believe what you want to, but I seriously cannot believe that Apple has lasted thus far. Besides, I have better things to do than argue with you Mac people, albeit a small percentage of computer users.

USB is not a Mac invented device. IBM spent a lot of money developing USB and Apple seems to be confusing the dumb-minded into thinking that they invented it. I mean, everything on a mac is USB, it is overkill. Speakers, Keyboard, Mouse and Floppy Disk Drive. The excessive use of USB kind of kills the resources. My school officals are stupid for buying IMAC's. A group of student reaserchers found PC's that were twice as fast and cheaper that the IMAC'd that they bought were. Microsoft is getting ready to release a new OS soon. It will be like a better version of WIN 2000. It will have easy networking and heavy error detection.

I am currently going through Cisco certification, and what are we learning to network with..... A PC!!!!! According to Cisco, when I have a job in networking, I will be dealing mostly with PC's.

When I was looking for webhosting, I only wanted hosting on Win 2k, advanced server addition. Pearl, Cgi, and ASP are so much better on an NT system. I say that it is better because it is really easy to set up scripts. You don't have to chmod, and you don't have to define perl paths. I love asp and I think that MSDB are so easy to use. I have nothing against mySQL or PHP, except that I have had more experience with ASP.

Well, I just wanted to get my comments in.

Is that the CCNA certification course? Just wondering, because that is the one I am taking right now.

Yeah, it is the first certification...

Networking? Go Unix, Linux, BSD, or something similar. If a security hole or a virus appears, the Open Source community will have a patch out in less than a week, whereas Microsoft will take forever.

Can you answer a question for me? Why does it take so much longer to load my profile on Win2000 than on NT? My school switched last year, and it's taking a good 10 min. before I can get to my homework! At least it's more stable; we had a lot of crashes with NT :(.

BTW, I'd rather have a guy who takes the time to set up networking properly on the computer rather than a guy who just wants things easy. After all, my homework depends on it.

Maybe I'm not completely on the ball as far as Macs go, but I do think that they're better than some people think; it logs on quickly for me, and it does everything I want it to. The only real major complaints seem to be networking; however, as they weren't really designed with that in mind, I don't see why it's such a major issue.

As networking clients, Macs don't seem to have any problems - just login with your name and password, just like the PCs. And I'm still waiting for the server to crash - hasn't happened on the mac side here at school yet.

Your windows problems are probably resulting from poor setup by whoever set up your system. PCs are very flexible in the field of hardware, the only downside is there are hardware pieces every now and then that will drag the system. The server at our house took over 15 minutes to sign on, but I pulled the video card and it signed on instantly. I would get a system administrator to take a look at the problem (given that it is high on the school's priority list). As for Macs and PCs, I just recognize that they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I do think that PCs are slightly better than macs. PCs are faster (and yes to all of you techical down-to-the-wire chip analyzers, I have taken into consideration the chip archatecture). One of the main reasons is that PC chips can be overclocked very easily (I don't think that Mac chips can be, if I'm wrong, tell me, but don't blast me). And, PC stability is better (Windows is not the only OS out there, although Windows has been doing a pretty good job with their most recent release of Win2000). On the other hand, I am awed by the graphic cababilities of a mac. It gets really detailed, and detail is what counts. And macs are also reasonably stable. Anyway, I am flexible in the matter, I generally think that PC is better, but only by a small amount.
BTW, I am looking for a Mac that is reletivaly inexpensive so that I can learn to fully utilize a mac, the ones at school aren't very helpful mainly because I use them for about 10-12 hours a month. But I'm learning :)

I'm a little confused. How did a survey on carrying manuals turn into a huge (massive) comparison of PC's and Macs? I personally use a PC myself, but I respect other's choices to buy Macs instead. Everyone has their own opinion and I think it's time to acknowledge that.

By the way, can we stay a little more on the topic of the survey?

No!

that is one long response
macs rule
yall mac hatin shitz are all mhz based
yall take 10 steps and go 20feet
macs take 3 steps and go 50 feet
kiss my shiny squeaky clean ass
indigo imac

Ya know, I love comments like yours. You make completely baseless comments and diss other people. I would actually give your comment merit if you had facts to back up what you said. And, I do mean that. But until you go do your research, you are wrong

Okay, the increased popularity of Macs in recent times is mainly due to the iMac. Ya know why people bought it? Because it looks cool (kinda), not for guts.

Who the heck are you? I carry manuals too just in case I need to look something up. Go back to la-la land where you came from.

Well good for you. You're willing to be homophobic, sound like an asshole, contradict yourself ("how can you hate an 89?... Ti calcs are out and Palm OS devices Rule") and lose the respect of anyone who reads your post all to put down someone who just wanted to make a relevant comment on the survey. You should be proud.



...by the way, I was being sarcastic!

Me PolarD. Me no can type.

First of all, try using English next time, which’s what the rest of us use.
Second, the homosexual slurs are really uncalled for (I mean, what's so wrong with being gay?).
Third, try keeping one idea through the whole thing. First you support 89s, then Palms, then 82/83/83+. Keep on topic (my English teacher would have a field day with your comment).

And, off the topic of this loser and back to the real topic, I carry my 89 manual with me if I think I may need it. This way I won't take up the room in my bag.

P.S. Can't Windows and Mac just get along?

THATS RIGHT!!!!
BIOT CH!!!!1!
macs all the way!!!!!!
damn republicans asses

THATS RIGHT!!!!
BIOTCH!!!!!
macs all the way!!!!!!
damn republicas asses

First of all Windows rulz and i aint one of those PC programmers. Second of all the 83+ rules just like you said.

Oww..my poor feelings. I feel so violated. I dont carry them around to study them. (except my 86 manual). i drag them around so that in Calculas when I have to figure out how the hell to run my statistics to fit into a curve or what not I can do that by reading up on it. I used to carry my 86 manual untill I had no math class. After that I have been kinda idle in programming for Ti's. I now program Java at the College. And slack off in highschool. I do own a PC, actually 2, One of them runs linux the other windows. And if your wondering why I hate apples its because i have seen them run some engineering stuff and it takes a billion years longer to get the same tast done on a linux OS, and yes using the same speed processor.

I cut out the pages in the TI manuals and put pornos in there because it doesn't make it too obvious for teachers to spot you with them.

Nick, your an idiot

I've had enough Mac vs PC - it's usually personal preference anyway.

Back to the topic - I usually keep my manual in my room, and only carry it around when I need it. I haven't had any teachers try to wipe the memory, but I keep a backup on my PC, so it doesn't matter anyway. I own a TI-89, and that's the only calculator I have a manual for. I hope to be able to use the Virtual TI to be able to test programs for the TI-92, since it's easy to port to (usually just the screen size and keyboard layout is changed).