Survey posted 2006-05-17 01:12 by Jon.

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Is "graphics" like plotting graphs? No.
Is "graphics" like plotting statistical plots? Yes.

Um, only slightly.

I wonder who picked that option?

I don't write games; I have no interest.

But I do write graphics programs (animations, et c.) to impress people in ti basic.

Nice. I can't do that. See, the only experience I have working with Graphics on my calculator is with xLib, and that wasn't very successful. The problem for me is BASIC is too simple and ASM is too low-level.... I can't learn either! >_< I need to look at a tutorial or something...... could somebody point me towards an ASM tutorial for the 84+ SE?

Learn Ti-83 Plus Assembly In 28 Days is a good one. (See link)

I know, but the problem is incompatibility/glitches in some ASM from 83+ to 84+. For example, Super Mario 2.0 sometimes is a little jumpy on my 84+ SE(meaning that the graphics jump off the top of the screen and wrap around to the bottom - it didn't do that on my 83+ SE). I suppose I'll give it another go. I've always wanted to do something with Graphics on the calculator...

xLib pwns ya all! ^^

The readme might be a tad extensive, but once u figure it out, it can do amazing things. The only problem about Basic that bugs me is global variables...

If only someone could make a shell like MirageOS with the BASIC support of xlib...

Um, it's called installing xLib and MirageOS. I don't see what the problem is with that... :-)

Have you looked at the instructions for xLib? They say, and I quote, "DO NOT attempt to run your basic program from MirageOS! I use a saferam area that MirageOS uses, and it may cause instability!"

It would also take less memory to have both bundled up into one App.

I belive MOS and xLIB both use more than half the space needed for 1 app

but their may be some common code so the combined app would be less

Exactly. An analogy would be that MOS and XLib are a ham and turkey sandwich respectively. Instead of smushing them all together, bread and all, just take the ham and put it with the turkey and it will be just small enough for you to eat it. I hope other people understand...

;)

Come on, who reads instructions?

I read instructions as a last resort, only if I can't get something to work on my own. But I have learned that this is expensive, I killed a $50 chip because I read the instructions after I installed it.

I would think instability of your calculator would be a good reason to read the instructions.

If you don't, you'll end up like those n00bs who immediately post all over forums and e-mail the authors of programs, annoying everyone with questions about the program that could've been answered by just reading the readme.

That's not what I do. With hardware, I experiment gently, so as not to break anything, and with software, I make a copy and then experiment with the copy. If I can't figure out how to do something that way, then I figure it can't be all that important, or else the way to do it would be more user friendly.
If I find that I would really need to ask someone for help, then I'll read the directions. But usually, if this ever happens, what I want to do isn't in the instructions, so I'd have to ask for help anyway. So there's not really that much point in reading directions.

Well that's fine then if you try doing it yourself instead of bothering everyone within a 3-forum radius. :-)

thats why I dont include my email address in my new games anymore

@everyone: RTFM (read the fracking manual) :P

I never got any problems running xLIB games in mirageOs though, I guess its because they didnt used maps tho

That's strange. If you haven't already, download and run ALCDFIX (see link). This program finds the correct setting for your calc's LCD driver and corrects the problem wherein the image on the screen squishes up to the left. Possibly it could fix the problem you're experiencing.

That said, I have not had any problems running ASM games made for the 83+ on my 84+SE.

ALCDFIX works; I had the same problem with my 84+SE. The question, however, is not "How does the program fix my screen?" but rather, "Hey I paid $130 for my 84SE, why hasn't TI already installed the correct driver settings for me?" :~D

I had a TI 84 Silver once... but I got on some TI 83 Plus programs, I got not just a squished up screen... but a wavy screen as well. (€£¢¢©@™...grrrr)

TI's just like that...you get used to it after a while. That's why it's so important to have a strong programming community like this, to pick up the slack and do things with a graphing calc that TI never even dreamed of doing...