Survey posted 2000-04-05 01:54 by Andy.

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1 WEEK BABY!Oh yeah I am going to trie to get TIcalc to post some of my strats on programming both asm and basic and include an appology for one of my decisions with a finished game.I am not going to state what the decision is but I will state it soon.Please dont ask me right now.


Chris Perkins

I read a post earlier about Pokémon...I tried to play the new Pokémon 2 on my 83+ but when I put it on, I only had about 60k left and it wasnt enough to run. I didnt have anything on my calc cept the stuff for the game. I sent a mail to help@ticalc.org but never received a response...Can someone please tell me if I can run that game on a 83+ and if so, what I need to do in order to have enough memory to do so.

Thanks,
Royal

Pokemon sucks ass!

Yeah, so what else is knew?

Well, so stop posting messages complaining about pokemon, and just help the poor bastard...

BTW, Laura, may I stalk you too? I mean, I don't have anything else to do, and I could be nice to you, but why bother? It's much funnier this way. (and here we go, turning this discusion into another male/female interaction thing... (ops... lack of right words there) but, then again, I don't think this discusion is going anyfurther though)

pokémon is mostly a ti-83 realm...the BASIC game that takes up to much memory's owner's manual should be read. there are some bug-fixer programs that can be deleted after run...and you don't need the video..
there, i helped him, happy now?
and no, Laura is Fabio's...we are only privileged "entertainers" until he comes galloping in on his stallion (or whatever he drives.) what the heck am I saying? I can't let some good-looking stud like fabio take Laura, she programs BASIC man!!
:-)

Opps, accidently hit enter when I didn't mean to, oh well. WHY DOES EVERYBODY WANT TO STOCK ME!?!?!? Is there something attractive you find in me, what's so attractive about a college student who wears a black leather jacket, brown khakis and combat boots? Why does everybody want to stalk me? I'm just a plain girl, my idea of a hairstyle is tying my blonde hair back in a pony tail nothing fancy, so why is it that people want to stalk me!??!?!

First off, I had no idea how you are, since I live in the other side of the world. (Portugal, for those who care, and I don't lke it either) Secondly, if I've touched a nerve, so sorry, but I just meant it as a joke. Thirdly, just the fact you're a girl involved in PCs/programming/... is enough for anybody to kid aroud with you (since your a female). Fourth, actually, from your desciption, I take it you're very atractive and nice young girl, enough for me to keep pissing you off. :-)

Just a complement, anyway...

Well, I guess that in New Mexico, USA I feel safe from you. Just kidding, I didn't really mean that, I was just taking advantage of two people wanting to stalk me. Don't take it personally, or at least not as personally as that little ASM post of yours. GRRR :)

Laura

ya! what he said (back off buddy...grr...)
but now that I know you have a blond pony-tail. There's no way i'm backing off! :-)
but mainly, there are very few girls who could sit there under the moon-light, and talk about op-codes, or BASIC programs they made, or tricks they've discovered...sigh..(heaven :-)
anways, I too am sorry if I pissed ya off...
and to the dude that is also chasing laura:
e-mail me sometime, and tell me a bit about what you program for...i would, but I have to get offline now...
ttfn!
Steve

Grrrrrr, RUFF, Bark BARK! WOOF!! GRRR! ARF! BARK! Grrr. Ruff! :)

Laura

KO TE ŠIŠA, GADNA PICKA!

I soo agree with that!!!

(??? :?)


~Grauw "I just love English"

SPEAK ENLISH MAN!!

Hables ingles por favor.

Laura

The question is rather vague. Do you mean how long it took me to learn the mnemonics (not long, they are quite limited so it's not that hard) or do you mean how long did it take me to write my first decent program in Assembly Language? I voted with the last one, it must be about three months before I really wrote something else then "Hello world" thingies.

But that in fact is not really the end. Still, even after about 6 years of assembly programming (since about my 12th) I am learning everyday, discover new things everytime. Nowadays, it's mainly programming tricks and 'nifty' stuff like messing with the stack and speed stuff, but still, you might call it learning. I mean, I know the mnemonics very well now, but I still don't know the timings of every instruction. And three years ago, I still used mnemonics which didn't exist (like for example LD DE,(HL)). And I still don't program bug-free (although lately I see an increase in the nr. of routines which immediately work).

It's a process, of which -to my opinion- the length can't be exactly specified. Next time, rephrase the question to something like "how long did it take you to write your first decent assembly-program"... Which ofcourse again raises the question: "what's decent"... Ah, whatever. Just be a bit more specific.

Well, that's my addition to this discussion.


~Grauw

Well, when I wrote the question, I intended it to mean "how long did it take before you could write decent assembly programs?" I mean you really don't "learn" to program merely by knowing the opcodes. The idea that you have "learned" something implies that you are able to use it to an end. Much in the same way, many people claim to have learned C/C++, when in fact all they know is the syntax. You don't really learn C/C++ until you fully understand pointers, which takes longer than learning the syntax. This is a general case in that the semantics cannot be learned as easily as the syntax. This property manifests itself in compilers. It is very easy for them to catch syntax errors, but it is almost impossible for them to find the semantic errors. Thus, we have bugs. In any case, yes my question was vague, and I'll try to make it more detailed next time.

OK, maybe I can sort things out here (yeah right, I'll probably start a flame war).

Different programming languages are for different things.

ASM, for example, is really the only option for programming very fast things for calculators. OK, BASIC can be fast, but it isn't as powerful. C(++) is nice but too slow for a few things.

Anyway, I generally find that Delphi is better than any C(++) for programming in Windows. It's just less messing about, all your code does something useful rather than having a load of stuff that isn't important. OK, sometimes C is definitely better but usually it isn't worth the extra time it takes to develop. The loss of performance is very slight. I've just written a WYSIWYG HTML table editor, it took me about two hours in Delphi. There are things that are easy in Delphi that would take hours in C. The resulting code is virtually the same.

Anyway, different languages are for different things.

Ciaran

Totally agree, or at least after all this discusion about it.