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VTI v3.0 Alpha
Posted by Michael on 24 February 2003, 00:49 GMT

Rusty Wagner and Corey Taylor have been working on a new version of Virtual TI, our most-downloaded file of all time. Available from SourceForge, v3.0 emulates the 73, 83+, and 83+ SE. It even allows for writing to flash, a major issue with 2.5. While there is still much work to be done, this is a significant development and hopefully will lead to a wonderful finished product.

Download the alpha here.

 


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Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
Jeff Wilcox  Account Info
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Flash is now working? It was already working in V2.5, my game uses it(???) Is this referring to flash-apps or something?
VTI is the single most valuable program (well, maybe tied with TIGCC) for making games on the calc! Glad to see your back Rusty.

http://corridor.has.it

     24 February 2003, 23:18 GMT


Re: Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
Vejita  Account Info
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this has to do with z80 calculators.

     24 February 2003, 23:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
Andrew Kim  Account Info

could someone send me a working version of this emulator? and a rom? because the program cant use my usb link. I also get this violation thing at the beginning of the program stopping me from running the program.

     25 February 2003, 00:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
amateur  Account Info
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I noticed in the "About" popup in VTI that this version of Virtual TI was copyrighted for Texas Instruments.

It was copyrighted in 2001, which is quite a while ago now.

     25 February 2003, 01:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
Vejita  Account Info
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yes, i explained on ti-news.com that it was original in progress back then, but has only become an interest of mine recently.

     25 February 2003, 18:23 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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To do that would be illegal.





<!-- (look on the internet to download one! hehe) -->

     25 February 2003, 22:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: VTI v3.0 Alpha
Munkay Account Info

you know that vti will read a regular operating sstem file as a rom, right? Just download an OS off of ti's website.

     26 February 2003, 16:22 GMT

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JcN  Account Info

I don't use any form of VTI. I just use my TI-83+ for assembly testing, and store the final, debugged program on my SE. What good is this version, as in, what makes it better than the previous 2.5 version? It sounds like there are more complaints than there are complements. Even still, thanx, Rusty, for your hard work and aim to please your fellow TI programmers.

     25 February 2003, 05:16 GMT


Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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I'd reply fuller if this was an intelligent post.

It is an alpha release, not my fault it was posted in a news item, it was just testing new features before 3.0 is finished.

     25 February 2003, 17:18 GMT

Re: Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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in any case, rusty is not working on it anymore.

this is becoming a hassle, new item should be changed.

     25 February 2003, 18:06 GMT

website
MMfan  Account Info
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just wondering, is graphicstudio ever gonna have a working website again with all this info about it that'll hopefully be updated more often than the ticalc archives ( ;P )? Or is it pretty much dead?
Thanks

     25 February 2003, 21:00 GMT


Re: website
Vejita  Account Info
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i don't have the archive of the site anymore.

and the server is lost somewhere in the web of my old college's engineering building.

so yea, it's gone :-/

     25 February 2003, 22:12 GMT


Re: Re: website
Kevin Kofler
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But you should at least quit putting your old URL into the web page field. That domain name is now owned by a completely unrelated company.

     26 February 2003, 00:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: website
Vejita  Account Info
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we've had to change it more than once due to a squatter company buying it up immediately after it was available, we were just letting it go so we could easily change registrars. I'm tired of that.

well, what url do you want it to say? :)

     26 February 2003, 02:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: website
RCTParRoThEaD_  Account Info
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um, maybe acz.org? (w/o the spaces =p)

     26 February 2003, 06:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: website
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL, that's a good one... the name is also nice and easy to type in... but what if acz.org is already taken?

     26 February 2003, 22:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re:
JcN  Account Info

My mistake. Thanx Correy for your hard work.

     26 February 2003, 00:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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my bad on the harsh comment.

the thanks goes to rusty of course, don't change that :)

just didn't expect this wave of interest in the 'alpha', it's nowhere near usesable outside of the flash area on flash z80 calcs.

     26 February 2003, 02:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re:
JcN  Account Info

What makes this post not intelligent? I really want to know the point of using VTI. It is easier to send it to a calculator for testing. It may wipe out the entire memory, but there are no programs for any TI calculator that severly damage the calculator's internals or cause long-lasting effects. You can always back up your calc.

What happens when someone tests a potentially dangerous program on VTI? Wouldn't that harm your computer? I'd rather risk losing the memory on my "guinea-pig" TI-83+ and store the finished program on my SE than lose the memory on my computer and disable my ability to create anymore non-BASIC programs.

     26 February 2003, 00:33 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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again, my bad on the comment, i was annoyed at a bunch of other computer nerds making stupid arguments, but not you.

anyway, i'll try to clear this up. it's not, as a whole, better than 2.5 but it does introduce flash capability which is not available on z80 part of 2.5

it is a test release only for that capability, so it's not as a whole better.

The point? well for me, It was much easier to load a 32k flash app into vti(this is a release version of a custom version we had internally, rusty and I, for our commercial flash development), instead of hooking up the calculator and have it sitting there for every line change.

of course, after the tons of minor bugs are fixed, you load it on a real calculator and test it. also, I had problems using some of the signing equipment they gave me, so using vti was much nicer as it was non-sign flash capabable, it's been a while since i did that though.

as for general use, you can, of course, use a regular calculator, but not everyone is as comfortable with that as you are, it's not a one-size fits all in the programming world no matter where you go, you should know that.

I'm not going to argue everyone's use of the program, but why not make it a full emulator and capable if you're going to make it at all.

there is logging capability in the 2.5 debugger also and you can easily check register and memory states, although typically I only used register debugging. I didn't use it as much as others would.

     26 February 2003, 02:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
JcN  Account Info

I agree with you with app testing. Sometimes it is easier to test larger assembly programs or apps that cannot fit on a TI calculator on a faster, nearly bottomless-in-memory platform. I'm sorry for "critisizing" VTI. I actally use it sometimes when I write stuff in TIGCC.

     28 February 2003, 05:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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Criticism is fine, and useful.

You don't have to use the program of course. :)

But, I think that's the general purpose of it, and then it just became a full project to complete for rusty, so he did.

     28 February 2003, 17:25 GMT


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Vejita  Account Info
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also, about the 'virus' calculator program....if it doesn't load as a program, vti drops it. it's not like it tells the computer to execute your calculator file.

don't you think it's a bit paranoid to accuse something of being useless based of the possibility of something that weird?

     26 February 2003, 02:17 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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He was probably just being cautious. But, you're right... since it's a ROM of the calculator, it shouldn't be able to screw up your computer.

     26 February 2003, 22:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
JcN  Account Info

I'm sorry about that retort that I made and I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings about VTI.

What I meant about a "virus" loading is that I was wondering what would happen if an assembly virus written in the .8xp format were to be executed on the emulator. What would happen?

I might have to try VTI 3.0. It sounds interesting.

Out of curiosity, when can we expect the full version of this wonderful new piece of software? Or could the alpha version of 3.0 be made into a patch for 2.5?

     26 February 2003, 23:54 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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i'm not saying it's impossible, but that's a very odd possibility.

the program file is not executed on the machine but rather run in an emulated environment where the errors kick back to vti and not windows really.

vti might crash trying to load a rom/skin but that's an error that can happen with anything and not so much in an overrun, just errors.

     27 February 2003, 00:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Vejita  Account Info
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ah, no patch, it would be a full 3.0 release.

don't really want to do much with the older code if possible :-/

     27 February 2003, 00:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I don't blame you ;-) Going into other people's code isn't always easy.

     27 February 2003, 22:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
JcN  Account Info

I'll say. It can be nearly impossible!

     28 February 2003, 05:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Especially if they write code as sloppily (is that even a word?) as I do! LOL My z80 ASM is very ineffecient, but it's a lot better than two years ago... I just haven't published anything since then. But, that's due to the archive problem mainly.

     28 February 2003, 22:00 GMT


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Vejita  Account Info
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when you master the nibble, you have truely mastered the language.

     4 March 2003, 07:24 GMT


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benryves  Account Info
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What on earth do you mean by that (I know that a nibble is 4 bits, so don't flame me as a n00b)?

     5 March 2003, 16:03 GMT

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