Wow, not only is TI is working like mad, but also the news editors!!
Pardon my ignorance, but what's AMS?

AMS stands for Advanced Mathematics Software. It's the fancy name for the 68k calculator OS.

I know this sounds stupid, but what is the 68k calc?

never mind, I figured it out.

68k calcs are clacs like the 89, 92, 92+, and V200...the others are Z80 clacs...

yay! they remade 2.08! although i didn't see any point in it except the clack function and some other stuffs

It's the exact same AMS. It wasn't not remade.

>>wasn't not

um..

WAS NOT remade. Sorry.

This is just horrible! Does anyone have any idea where to get AMS 2.05 back without getting it from a calc? Almost all my games dont work and HW2Patch doesn't work so i cant get DoorsOS!

You can still use your games n AMS 2.08, but you need a Doors-compatible kernel that doesn't rely on hw2patch. I use PreOS, which work fine. it is available at http://www.timetoteam.fr.st/.

Note: PreOS has a single Pack-Library which contains better versions of many libraries. It is a good idea, but not necessary, too remove DoorsOS versions of these libraries.

Well, I think they might have added hotkeys to the apps desktop, but they definitely fixed the transmission problems. I'm going to download it someday soon.

I think they should call it AMS 2.08 Second Edition (AMS2.08SE) to go with the 83+ SE, despite the difference in nomenclature.

Everything between this and the previous release is absolutely identical. I had a program do a byte-by-byte comparison of the two and there were no differences.

Seriously? That's really, really odd. Why would they do that?

The problem with the timing issue was fixed by updating TI Connect. The problem itself is still there. In fact, I believe it is with the black link, as one page on the TI website said not to use the black link if you have AMS 2.08.

Black link works fine with mine...
(92+ AMS 2.08)(Black link cable)(Ti Connect 1.2)

I think the timing problem was specifically in the TI-89 version.

No. But he is using TI-Connect 1.2, which fixes the problem.

Timmay said that the problem still exists for the TI-89, and that TI just said not to use the black link. I'm not sure if it has been fixed or not.

Uh-oh... I use the black link... maybe I shouldn't try it. But if TI-Connect v1.2 really does fix the problem, then I guess it wouldn't matter. Oh well, Graph-Link is still fine for me.

So, the porblem with my porgrams not working is still there? I had tried to run a tsr, and the program could not install. Will that porblem still remain.

I dunno. I use a black link, TI-Connect 1.1, AMS 2.08, and Windows XP. I have had no problems at all.

I don't have problems with the black link either...although if I remember correctly I think the problem may have been with sending apps, but don't quote me on that.

I almost got the new AMS, but I didn't want to lose all my archived files... plus, I'm using up all the archive space already... losing 64K (a lot) would be a big deal for me. Ah well, maybe some other time.

Me2.

(TI-89)(9 pin Black Link from TI)(Windows XP)(TI-Connect 1.1)

It would sure be nice if someone actually did write an Icon Desktop application or OS for the TI-83+ SE. The closest thing I have seen to an Icon Desktop is the Izzard 1.0 assembly shell.

You can icons in mirage, it just doesnt really work real well.

>doesnt really work real well

hehe :)

But seriously, you can do icons in Mirage? That's pretty cool, even if it doesn't really work real well ;-)

Yeah, you can do icons, but it does stink because a lot of the programs just have the icon which says 'ion prgm' so you can't tell them apart. Goto the link above to see the ones you can get

The reason that I said "TI-83+ SE" is because MirageOS is unstable on the platform, and I don't know why. Unless I need to get out more, the latest version of MirageOS is 1.1, and it is not completely compatable with the SE. I've seen the module that can be added to MirageOS that gives the user an Icon Desktop, but I cannot use it because I cannot use MirageOS :(

I was suggesting that someone write a shell similar to Izzard or to PalmOS for the TI-83+ SE (or fix MirageOS so it will work on SE calcs)

So...this is an OS patch that allows 2.0x AMS 68K calculators to become 2.08 AMS 68K calculators? And I don't need to back up my mem to receive it? And does the patch include an Icon Desktop? Hope so.

Actually, you do need to do the backup. I did before (I always do) and found that only my flash apps remained after the new OS was installed. I don't know about the desktop, but I imagine it will still be there. I don't do desktops. Waste of time for me.

No, you don't need to do the backup (if you're using TI Connect 1.2 to update the OS). Use Actions -> Updates to check for and install an AMS update. TI Connect will automatically backup and restore RAM and archive variables for you.

Well isn't that handy :)

I was talking about how he said they 'remade' 2.08 . 2.08 was released before, and this is *not* a remake.

Oh, okay. I actually answered myself when I downloaded it, backed up my calc, and installed it.

Well, if it was any different, I suppose it would be called 2.09 or whatever. Or maybe 2.08001...
In any case, this does mean that TI is not really working like crazy. Perhaps next they will have the TI-keyboard page updated saying that it works with the 68k calcs now.
If the only problem was TI-Connect and with the black cable, then it does not make that they removed it at all, unless they tested it.

Based on the changed from 2.05, this should be called 2.05.001.

Well, they called 2.08, maybe because of the same funcionalities of the problematic version, but not it is corrected!! I will made a tests to see the compatiblity with 2.05, if don't pass the tests i believe that we have a big problem to assembly programmers...

http://www.geocities.com/augrad

I wrote a review of the new AMS. I explained a few compatibility problems there. Maybe you can add some to my list.

The "Invalid Relocation Data in ASM Program" bug of old versions of ttstart (the ExePack launcher) is explained here:
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~pad /faq/ti89.html#3.6.12
(remove the space from the URL) together with possible solutions. The easiest solution is to simply use an updated ttstart launcher to run the programs.

So are you saying that most ASM programs won't run on the new AMS version? Oh well, I usually run C programs.

Actually, C programs are just as affected as assembly programs. But the fix is trivial: just use an updated version of ttstart.

Technically, C programs *are* ASM programs - TIGCC compiles into ASM code, which is then compiled into machine code. You can actually view the ASM source to a C program if you configure TIGCC to *not* delete any .s files after building a project.

I knew that, but it always seemed to me that C programs were, for the most part, very stable on any ROM. I always imagined ASM programs to be written specifically for each ROM version, and since the 2.08 is different than 2.05, I thought that ASM programs would be the most likely not to function as well.

About ttstart... it's a launcher, right? Do you have to use it for every program, or could you just use a kernel/shell to automatically implement this?

You have to use a launcher for every program (which can be the generic ttstart or a custom launcher), but there is a tool called AutoStart at http://calc.gregd.org to automate this. (You type the name of the PPG into the entry line and press [ENTER], and it automatically adds the call to ttstart around it.)

I'm confused now. Is this "launcher" built into each program I compile? For most C programs (EQW, my C programs, etc.), I do not use any launcher program.

That 1 KB "program" ExePacked programs are shipped with is just a copy of ttstart customized to automatically launch the correct PPG. But for uncompressed programs smaller than 24 KB, no launcher is needed. EQW is such a program. (A launcher is needed for AMS 2.00-2.03 which have an 8 KB size limit. The eqwx "program" is such a launcher.)

Does it seem like the news is so slow that people are forgetting simple things about their calculators?

But that's the whole challenge! To extend the abilities and features of the calculator as much as possible!

more specifically 68k is short for MC68000, the proc that is shared by all four calcs.

wow, now I feel dumb

The clock fully works now? That would be the only thing I'd be interested in. Otherwise, 2.05 has everything I need.

Nothing whatsoever is different between the new 2.08 and the old one. They are 100% identical. I've said this about 3 or 4 times now. If the clock worked when 2.08 was released before, it works now. If not, it doesn't now. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Sorry, that was my fault, I should have made myself a little more clear... I meant that the clock actually works from the upgrade of 2.05 -> 2.08. I meant that you could *kind of* use the clock in 2.05, but it was good that you could fully use it in 2.08. Sorry about that :)

You're forgiven...this time :)

That's what happens to a programmer who wakes up at 1:30 in the afternoon and wants to go back to sleep TWO days in a row. *sigh*

I don't know if this has already been said, but the clock only works on hardware version 2. I have hardware version 1 and it is quite a disappointment that the clock does not work.

Hrrm... After much thought I conclude that LINUX would be the best kernel on a calc. ... Maybe not that much thought.

I think that if you stripped linux down further, to the unix kernel, it would be better.
But still, I don't think that that would be the best kernel for a calc.

Just to let you know, your webpage link didn't show up.

Linux on a calculator? Nah...

If it would speed up the calc, maybe.

If anything, I think it would slow it down. More stuff to handle.

Funny... someone is already hard at work on implementing Linux for the Motorla MC68000 processor (the one used by the TI-89, TI-92+, and V200).

Are you refereing to an actual port of linux or some shell someone wrote for the 89/92+ and decided to call it linux even though it has no code in common.

An actual port of the Linux kernel for the MC68000 processor. NOT necessarily for the TI-89/92+/V200. Just an ASM version of the kernel.

or rather, a compiled C version of the kernel.

Don't laugh at me, but WHAT IS LINUX (aside from a server language)?

It's an operating system. More precisely, it is the kernel for an operating system. Add the numerous GNU operating system tools and you get a GNU/Linux operating system.

For more information, see:
http://www.kernel.org (official Linux headquarters, but not much information for newcomers)
http://www.linux.org (unofficial, but informative, Linux web site)
http://www.gnu.org (official GNU web site)

Didn't MV's company make one for the 83+? I'll check...

Could you send your calc to them and have them send you a hardware 2 calc?

I doubt it. Anyway, its my school's calc. The let us borrow calculators for a year.

Oh okay. They have some pretty old ones! lol

Oh.... AMS 2.08 is sh*t!!! None of my programs are working.
Where can I find AMS 2.05?

Earlier up there, it was said that you could use AutoStart to fix this problem. I would try that first.

That's only if the programs he's referring to are ASM or C programs.

TI-BASIC programs are supposed to keep working in the first place. The only possible cause of trouble I can think of is a program using an identifier called "sec" or another of the new reserved names. That problem is not very hard to fix.

>Oh.... AMS 2.08 is sh*t!!! None of my programs are working.
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~pad /faq/ti89.html#3.6.12
(remove the space from the URL)