Actually, it does _not_ work with every graphing calc.

why do they not support the ti-86 ? it is oen of the better calcs at least in my opinion i would rather have my 86 than an 83+ an old day. and yet they support ti-83's ????

I think TI wants to slowly discontinue the 86. The 83+ is encroaching on its features, having apps (or apps coming out soon) to do everything the 86 had (differentation equation graphing, conversions, polynominal root solver, etc.). It's not good business to have 2 calculator models directly competing with each other.

It will have the 86's features when it does not have a crap menu system, a crap OS, has more than a paltry 16k RAM, a decent sized screen, a display that does not suck, unit conversions, calculus functions, and a whole host of other features that the 82 line simply does not have, and cannot have, unless the whole OS is redesigned. But then you'd end up with an 85 or 86, so why bother? Keep it simple and easy to use, like it was designed, and leave the real calculator alone. Why can't you have two product lines that compete with each other? TI has a monopoly on graphing calculators already. What is wrong with offering a choice to users? I see no reason to discontinue the 86 series. From what I have seen, the 82 line was more geared for high school students that don't really care about math or physics, and the 85 was geared towards more advanced high school students and college students. Granted, the 85 came out first, but the 82 came out later as a simpler, less featureful calculator. They have added on worthless crap to the 82 line, while ignoring their better calculator line. It doesn't matter how much superficial junk you hadd to the 83. Eventually, you'd end up with an 86.

But those features you describe like 86-style menus and unit conversions can be added and integrated into the 83+ OS...

Wouldn't a larger screen be necessary for 86-style menus?

Not necessarily. The menus might be a bit more cramped, but I can say that it would work.

They work on the smaller calc, but they're not as useful. The probability simulation app for the 83+ has 85 style menus. I wrote that routine :) It's funny, because the design document from TI specified having those kind of menus. But a larger screen makes it a lot easier to do math and other things. You get an extra 40 characters on the homescreen. Why settle for less? They made a good calc, then made a bad one, then abandoned the good one and keep adding features to the bad one. It makes no sense.

TI 86 & 85 doesn’t have silent linking capability therefore TI-Connect cannot and will not support it. It’s that simple

I use fastlink with silent linking on my 86...is this not the silent linking you're referring to??

And why discontinue the 86 and continue to support the 73 and 83???

You are wrong because TI-86 dosen't support Silent linking. The reason the 73 is supported is because it does support silent linking. and by the way TI-86 isn't being discontinued just not supported with TI-Connect, a single program that you probally won't even like.

I'm sorry, but I use what I use and I have what I have. I use Fastlink v1.3 and I have an 86. This is from Fastlinks readme file:

"Silent Link Capability
----------------------
FastLink supports "Silent linking" on the TI-83, 83+, 86, 89, 92 and 92+, but
you have the option of whether or not to use it. In order to enable or disable
silent linking for either receiving or transmitting, check or uncheck
the menu items in the Link menu.
By default, silent linking is enabled for receiving, but not
transmitting. This is because transmission is significantly slower
in silent mode.
Some functions on the TI-89, 92 and 92+ can only be accessed with silent linking.
For these functions, silent linking does not need to be enabled."

So if it can be done here, why can't TI get it done???

About the discontinued part, I was referring to Michael Vincents' earlier post...

OK...I just got an email from TI. It is in a later post in the forum. For the resord, it is NOT the silent linking issue.

And then there is the 89/92 series, which in clude all of the things the 86 could never dream of. In my opinion, the 82 series is used for all math courses up to Pre-calculus. The 86 series, however is good for science including physics, and the higher math courses are covered by the 89 series. I believe that the 89 is the best calculator to use, since it is so versatile.

There's symbolic for the 83+, which makes it funnier to use than the 86

The 83+ does *not* have symbolic math! Only the 89, 92, and 92+ do.

Well it certainly doesn't have as much symoblic math as the TI-89, etc. but it does have symbolic differentiation and simplification with the newly released Symbolic application. Check www.detacheds.com for details.

Nice thing to have in Algebra 2 when you can't afford an 89. Anyway, what about TitanASM? I know it's not your project, but I've been waiting a while for it.

Ah... I had no idea. Guess I spoke too soon.

you are entitled to your own opinion, but I would rather use mental math over an 83+ in algebra, As it is, I'm quite happy with my 92+ and linux self-top.

Off Topic:
If anyone has experiance setting tigcc and tilp under freebsd please let me know.

yeeeeehhhhaawwwwwwww!!!!!!
<queue banjo music and country hicks "hoeing down" in the barn>
LONG LIVE THE 86!!
i think TI should add more features to the 86. like flash ROM. that would be so cool to have apps for the 86. of course it already has a shit load of memory in the first place, so you woudn't really need any more...... but it would be nice

well I'll be, yungun, you bees a gittin' down with the ol' farm folk, I reckon.

rek'n hoo you cawllin a yungun?

TI 86 doesn’t have silent linking capability therefore TI-Connect cannot and will not support it. It’s that simple

I seem to remember a year or two back that people were talking about how they were anticipating the release of a "TI-86+"... interesting how that never showed up.

"TI 86 doesn’t have silent linking capability"...

Silent linking capability, that's where you plug the calc into your PC and don't have to do anything to make it link, just turn it on, right?

I may be hallucinating, but not only does the 86 have silent linking capability, it also has graphlink software that uses this "silent linking", or at least I have software from TI that does this. I assume you do not own an 86, and would appreciate it greatly if you would go out and buy one, it would serve 2 purposes.

1. You would no longer make an ass of yourself in discussions of the 86

2. If 86 sales continue, perhaps TI will have to continue support for it.

Thank you for your time, and maybe you can still learn from your mistake.

"I find that bloodletting helps" - Faulinei

hmmm...that's funny. jtjdt didn't respond to you here or me a couple of posts up. Do you think he knows now that the 86 does have silent linking capabilitiy?

BTW - My Ti graphlink software sends to my 86 in silent mode also. maybe I'll start using it instead of FastLink...

You know, Don is right. I never thought much of the 86 (Having an 89 already) until I got it. I really like its menu systems, and its programming is bette. It has more of a hint of C than any other calculator BASIC language.

I reckon you sound like a hillbilly!

I asked TI about this, and they gave me some BS about the 86 not having "Next Generation Flash Technology." As soon as I heard that the 83 (not +) was supported, I sent them another E-Mail, but they have not responded yet.

As for which calc I would rather have, I would keep my 86. My calculus teacher does not allow 89s, and everything else is just remakes of something designed for middle school to lower high school.

I know, it would be nice if their TIconnect supported all calcs. But since 83+'s/89's are most popular, they only support them. Why old 83's are supported? Because most schoold are equipped with them and not 86's.

the ti86 is useful for a math competition in the calculus tests. you are able to use any calc up to the 86. the 86 is better to use for calculus than a 83+ or lower versions. they should have ti-86 on the ti-connect

They should, but don't. I don't own an 86, but what happens if you take an 83+ with all those added features in apps and such to a big test? Wouldn't they clear the memory? The 86 has those features built in. What happens after the 86 is phased out? Are we forced to buy an HP (gasp!)?!

Well, the HP calculator department isn't doing very well... I seem to remember a news article about that. I think you may have to go to Casio.

Casio calculators??? Give me a break! I prefer not to do a test...

What test are you talking about? They let me use an 89 on the ACT and SAT.

No they don't. The TI-89 isn't allowed on the ACT.

I used one on the ACT. If they told you you couldn't, then you got gypped. I swear by everything and anything holy that I did indeed use a TI89 on the ACT.

What, they don't support the TI-86?! I can't believe that! Shame on you, TI!

TI 86 doesn’t have silent linking capability therefore TI-Connect cannot and will not support it. It’s that simple

The 86 does support silent linking. TI doesn't support the 86 in TI Connect because it is not a Flash Calc like the ones supported are.

Please don't tell me you posted this anywhere else...

Either I'm using the software wrong, but TI connect isn't very useful. Sure, its has some Windows Explorer like things but all it does is provide buttons that link to the TI-Graph-Link software.

Yes, you're using it wrong :) It does have buttons to run the old Graphlink software, but it's fully functional by itself. To send data with it, just drag and drop files into TI-Connect, right click them and use the "Send To: Connected TI Device", or use Group Explorer, find the file(s) and click "Send to Device".

Well now that's an awful roundabout way to do things... You mean that they've been developing this "super" link program for close to a year now (since it was first public, who knows how long before that), and they actually made the link system WORSE, and LESS intuitive than the old graphlink software?

Thank heavens that I still have the installs for 86 and 89 graphlink software on my HD, this new program sounds like a piece of manure, even if they do eventually add 86 support (doubtful).

I have an 86, I have an 89, I have ticalc.org, and I have my own backup of drugwars (why'd that game get removed anyway, it was a classic...), TI is going down the crapper, but I have all that I need from them, hope the new program turns out well for ya folks, but I'm gonna pass, on this, and on anything TI makes unless somebody wises up and makes an 86+.

-"I find the bloodletting helps sometimes" -Faulinei

Oops, forgot two things I needed to say, the first is to the site administrators, and the second is to all 86 fans.

1st. You need to fix an incompatibility between your news post system and Internet Explorer 6. I have been trying to post for a while and kept getting a not logged in error, I assumed something to the effect of my account being disabled because I cursed a few times in the past, but I never even got a warning e-mail or anything, but today I posted from my old computer and look, it's here.

2nd. Rather that whine about the 86 being treated unfairly and how much we hate the 83 whenever we see something good for it, why don't we all e-mail TI and ask for an 86+, at least once a week, They need to see that there is a large market for such a calc, then maybe they'll reconsider. Maybe they won't, but 5 minutes a week writing an e-mail is a small cost for even a chance of success. Now, my fellow 86 fans, GO FORTH AND WRITE SOME SPAM!!!

I'm fairly sure the IE6 thing is on your end. IE6 is a lot more unfriendly with cookies. Go into preferences and add ticalc.org to the "always allow cookies" list (or change the options for the Internet Zone).

You realize that the TI resource disk has the TI GraphLink software on it? Also, you can still download it from TI.

Does anyone know if the TI connect software works with Windows XP?

It does not.

Figures.

I went down to the local best buy to play around with XP. Wow. It's really bloated. And slow. I don't know about that blue taskbar either. *shrug*

I don't know if it TI connect will run on XP or not. I can't see why it wouldn't though, just put it on compatibilty mode.

I have XP (but I don't want to download TI connect) and it's not slow, and you can change the taskbar. Bloated, maybe, but then again it's nothing like WinME!!

About that taskbar. You don't like it? Well, do you like your standard taskbar? Fine, you can change every aspect of the XP taskbar to look and act EXACTLY the same as the win9X series. In fact, the guest account on my computer uses such a setup. I personally didn't like that blue bar too much either, so mine is the other color choice for the XP style bar-silver.

(my first comment in about, oh, 6 months or so)

Ugh. I knew someone would be offended. They just went too far with their GUI...

heh,
i have a couple of points to make on this subject.
1)have you ever noticed how CLOSE winXP (xtra problems) is to osX.
2) comparing winXP to winME is unfair. winME is by far the WORST product Microsoft has ever made. you could make the DEC VAX look good compared to winME. (i know, i know, the VAX is still top-of-the-line, the US goverment uses it).
3) if you want to have a OS that hasn't gone foo-bar, is fast, you dont have to buy a new PC for and is perdyer then winXP use linux. go to my site to see a picture of a GOOD computer.
thank you, jeremy

You can change the GUI options to set it like older Windows OSes.

It does work with XP and much better than the GrafLink

It looks like I'm the only one but howcome when I go to open the program my mouse freezes up and all I can use is the keyboard. I have all of the system requirements. Someone Please help me!!

Make sure the Com port your using isn't the Com port your mouse is on.

I'm running Windows XP Pro with the TI-Connect software, but the software runs very slowly and caused my computer to completely hang. My mouse becomes jerky, etc... I didn't realize Windows had set my COM port speeds to 9600 baud, though. I should try it again, but I'm happy with TI-GraphLink. At least until I pick up a snazzy USB link.

Yeah I'm not the brightest person alive but i cant seem to get my device manager to work when im trying to connect to put things from the computer to the calculator. It says that it cant detect my calculator. Anything i missed to do? Anything that I need to get? Help me out here.