Are you going to make any changes to the upload process, to prevent these files from entering the archives in the first place?

We are definitly considering doing so, but nothing has been decided yet.

Can you open the PC Secion of your archives? They have nothing to do with the calculator stuff and programmers need them.



-Jd

In response to your question about the upload process, I think we could ammend the upload process and the user profile to protect the young ones from inappropriate content. Read on:

Woah, Woah, WOAH! I've been away from the community for a few weeks, and look what happens! Lets not go off the deep end here with this censorship thing! We (most of us, I think) live in AMERICA, land of the free, and we have something called "FREE SPEECH". We also have something called "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION." This means we should NOT be censoring things. I think you should not delete any material from the archives. How are you going to define something as "bad", anyway? What if there is a genuinely good game, a RPG, that in one scene shows women's breasts? Would you take away the entire game just for one small image?And what about the E-Books? There are some classic novels in there. What if someone wanted to put 'to kill a mockingbird' in the archives? Would it be disallowed because of some light language? 'The grapes of wrath' has racial slurs referring to African americans, as does 'Of mice and men'. Besides, what is inappropriate in one country may be acceptable in another. I dont know the exact nature of the content, but destroying things like drugwars is crazy! Why would you do such a thing? These works, beleive it or not, are ART. They are independant works, pieces, and ideas meant for sharing. Students sharing with other students. I dont think anyone over 20 or not in school comes to this site anyway. If you dont like it, dont d/l it!

Here's my solution: You should just sift out the 'inconsistant with our values' stuff into seperate folers, and to access the files ,you had to be a registered user of a certain age. You could set up an age thing in the user profile, and if you were under X years old, you could not access the folder. Just put everything objectionable in a seperate folder with lots of RED WARNINGS & DISCLAIMERS at the top. You could have BOLD RED TEXT saying: Everything in this folder is inconsistent with our values, we reccommend you do not download, bla bla bla... but still allow users to download those files anyway. I say just put some things in seperate folders, and when authors upload stuff, if it doesnt meet value requirements x, y, and z, they would be required to mention that it should go in those folders or else. Or else what is up to you. So, if i wanted to upload a game that in one scene had nudity, I would have to mention that nudity in my upload request, and if I failed to, you could issue me a 'warning'. Any user who wanted that file would have to have an account and would have to have an age entry in thier profile that was appropriate to even access the folder it was in.

Besides, sometimes people might write their first program, and it is more of a test, and sometimes people use other people's work for thier own research or experimentation. (Source code, etc)

I just dont think that deleting our past is appropriate at all. TI CALC:DONT DELETE ANYTHING, PLEASE!

And on another note, for those asking for a new survey. As you no doubt realise, we are extremely busy right now. If you have any good ideas for a survey, plase send them to survey@ticalc.org, and we will attempt to put something up.

If you sent there before, please do so again - there may have been some problems with that mailbox.

I have an idea:

Censorship:
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Wrong?
Right?

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( i~~i ) Idea: should crappy basic games be allowed
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NO! This wouldn't be fair, I understand that some people upload all of their programs even though they're useless but the fact still remains. Encouraging to upload only useful programs wouldn't work because many people don't really care about it.

Besides, who would decide which programs are 'useful'/'crappy' or not?

Good point.

I think it's wrong in some cases, but most definitly not all (not even most), people should be able to say what they want when they want without having to fear of being persecuted, take examples of some of the greatest literature, Huckleberry Finn (says the word "nigger" *crowd wispers "I can't believe he said that"*), Farenhite 451 (drug use), Chatos Kitchen (aparently the cat dressed as a gangster), Inherit the Wind (bags on religion), but i do believe that some are inappropriate such as "How to become a Sucessful Hitman" and "Serial Killer for Dummies" (made the last one up)

It's not wrong when it's on this site. But it is wrong when it's being massed produced on cd in calculator packages where little kids can get there hands on them.


-JD

but little kidies can go on-line ang get it just as easily if not easier

What does 'little' mean in your point of view? Also, do 'little' kids have graphing calculators and go browsing the web? If so, then there are much better porn sites than ticalc.org
Peace everyone!

Can you reopen a section of your archives at a time. Like go over all 82 stuff and then reopen, 83, 83+, Win, etc. etc. so at least TICalc can be partly operational. 99% of the people come here for games and they can't access a single 1.
TI Transferred Material on Internet Chart
Before Shutdown |***********************************|
After Shutdown |**** |
Get the picture?

You took the words right out of my mouth. As the files are cleaned out or removed, and you are done with a section, couldn't you reopen that part alone? It would be a convenience for us and I'm sure that you guys would stop hearing complaints about this.

You know that's a lot harder to actually do than it sounds. :P

Anyhow, we're doing our best to try and get our archives back up, trust us. It's a big job!

What would have to be done that is such an extra conveniance to put up on calc platform at a time. It also saves your site from being bogged down ie. flow of 82ers, flow of 83ers, ...flow of windowers,etc.

I'm not going to go into details; suffice to say it's just not that easy (or else we'd have done it by now--we run these things via database, you know), and that we (who aren't getting paid and have school and work to think about, too) are working as quickly as possible.

Could you give me a reasonable estimate for present completion of archival overhaul? (How far are you)
I am a programmer with lots of stuff to add to the archives that is appropriate and it took forever before. I may not get everything on there before graduation!

Um, hmm. I don't think I should, since of course it's so highly variable... I think you'll see something very soon.

That's all I'm going to say, honest. :) Doesn't necessarily mean what you think... just stay tuned, we're busy.

That was was a very helpful reply (sorry for sarcasm).

and your a jerk

all people want to know is: days? weeks? months? years?... i know it's a HUGE archive, but no one knows how many staff members are working on it how often and for how long, being so busy with work and school and stuff. an estimate doesn't necessarily mean down to the week, it just means, should we be checking for the archives any time soon? or at least a week/month/months.

and what shall you be?

calc.org has a very nice archive. I don't understand why more people don't use it. While it is much smaller than ticalc.org's archive, you should be able to find something that interests you in 3094 files.

That might be difficult, seeing how the site is never running anymore. At least, not whenever I try to visit it.

Furthermore, they got Slashdotted today.

what is slashdotted?

means they got meantioned on slashdot.org, click the link

good idea, but start form the 92 down (I have an 89, and 82 going up would take forever ;))