hey everyone out there, this is me(programmer of Raging Flame)
I would just like to say that i truly respect the work of the staff at ticalc.org
I would like to congratulate you on being able to keep up a site like this one for millions of people to come to every day. I understand (as a fellow programmer) how it must be to have to go through all of your sites because of the badly made games.
yet again, i would like to thank all of the people working out there to keep this site going!
-Jeff Verkoeyen, programmer of Raging Flame(ti83+)

I would like to agree with Jeff Verkoeyen. The staff here at TI-Calc.org do a freat job in maintianing this site we all know and love. Stop bugging them to fix the archives! I am sure they are working as fast as they can to get them back on line, and patience will be rewarded. The job will be done faster if you all stop giving them a hard time. Give them a break.

*cough*plug!!!*cough*

-Everett, creator of Monday for the 83 and 83+

I would like to do my part by having a complete listing of all the programs on ticalc's archives. I have a lot of spare time to look at the files and decide whether or not its appropriate. This is just my idea of how to move faster with this and contribute to the cause. comments?

the problem with letting outside sources screen the programs is that they aren't neccassarily reliabe, and they may just take any thing the get that is "inappropriate" and post it somewhere else

I realize that there is a certain trust level that can't just be given, but I really do want to help and not screw over the archives. On another note, I asked for a LIST of the programs and not the actual programs. By having a list, I wouldn't be able to put the programs on other sites even if I wanted to, which I don't want to do. I just want to help out and get this site to move faster with checking the archives.

What makes your morals any better than mine? Or anyone else's for that matter?

Leave it to the, um, professionals.

i never said your morals were any better/worse than mine. i just want to help. i dont appreciate being disrespected for wanting to help a cause.

Did anyone consider that none of this screening would happen if TI hadn't complained about the content on their CD? I can see why they are worried, I mean, they're a big company and they have to cover their butts a lot, but I think at the heart of the matter, everyone knows censorship is wrong. This is why games such as Drug Wars have remained in the ticalc.org archives for so long. If you didn't want to be "exposed" to the "dangerous messages" in the games, you didn't download them. No one was, is, or will be forcing you to. Also, I think parents need to realize that their kids probably know about all this stuff anyway. Heck, they teach it in 7th grade at my school, which is the soonest anyone would need a TI graphing calculator. And just because someone plays a game about selling drugs doesn't mean they are going to become a drug dealer. And I can't picture any drug dealers playing games that involve selling drugs, either.

In conclusion, since this site isn't run by me, I don't get to decide what is and isn't allowed to be hosted on it. But the fact that only *now* are the archives starting to be cleaned up seems a little odd to me.

I agree. Plus I know no drug dealers who play that game either. Only drug users...

I know people who aren't drug users who play that game.

I know some too. I was just making a comment when I was thinking of this one guy in my graphics class...

Yeah, what are the health and science/anatomy classes for afterall?

Yes, playing a game isn't going to turn you into a hooker, or prostitute, but that doesn't mean that we have to encourage such things by making them more available, especially on a supposedly trustworthy site. True, making a game available isn't gonna' make a kid play the game, and just not making a game available isn't gonna keep a kid from playing it. But having a "bad" game out there will make a kid, particularily a young impressionable kid, more susceptable to things of this nature. It will also increase the pressure to play these games.

Now, I didn't mean to come out here and preachat all of you, but I wanted to clear my mind, and state some of the principles that I believe in on these issues.

On a different note, couldn't you guys at Ticalc figure out if a game was "bad" by seeing a title like Drug Wars, or Beerhunt? I'm not trying to point any fingers, (well actually, maybe I am) but, give me a break! You could take a look at the games before you put them online.

Honestly, do (or did), you screen your games before putting them online?

I agree with removing the questionable content from the CD, but do you HAVE to remove it all from your archives? Some of us are adults that enjoy the more PG-13 or R rated games, and I would like ticalc.org to be more of a COMPLETE archive, rather than a filtered one. Here's a few ideas I have:

1. Leave all the content there, but flag it with a rating pertinent to what it contains. G, PG, PG-13, R...something similar to that, or similar to the ESRB ratings.

2. Flag all content thats questionable with a "Mature" flag, and then make the default archive viewing level "General Audiences"...but then put a button on there where we can choose to browse at the "Mature" level if we wish.

I REALLY do NOT want these games to go away, because I enjoy playing these kinds of games, and for the older teens/adults, they enjoy them as well. Please consider this, and I really hope you are reading these comments. Thank you.

-sgamer

When you say "couldn't you guys at Ticalc figure out if a game was "bad" by seeing a title like Drug Wars, or Beerhunt?" you fail to consider "couldn't you guys who are downloading games figure out if a game was "bad" by seeing a title like..." Come on, people, let's all be mature, responsible human beings making our own choices about what material we want to be exposed to. Don't blame the people who run the file archives. Make the choice of what games you want to play yourself. It's freedom. Make the most of it.

Wow, good comment!

I understand that we have the freedom to choose, but I don't think that a mature, responsible, person is going to play a game like this.

I do apologize though, if I have offended anybody at ticlac. I understand that I may have been somewhat irrational in that final thought.

I cannot believe this!
I've been inactive for about 3 months since my calculator broke while uploading a game to release to this site, and I just now decided to attempt it again, to find out that ticalc.org is now enforcing censorship???
I cannot believe this! Now im reading that some of the programs that contain innapropriate material (f words, sexual references and the like I am assuming) will be removed.
Wow! That's horrible. I mean, why is ticalc.org suddenly turning g-rated? I'm shocked...
- <^Q^>

Wow man! I just missed about a week and I was suprised. I guess you need to catch up on the whole CD thing. And since inappropriate materials by TI's standards are on the CD, there is some material that don't meet TICalc's moral standards. So they are going to shut it down for 56.8 days so all archives are cleaned up!

Oh so this is the CD project... I saw this happening, and this is why i declined to put most of my stuff on it that I already had published. But still seeing that ticalc.org is going to bow to ti.com's moral standards to me misses the point of having an INDEPENDANT site like this....
So they are going to delete those programs permanently from the archive or just from the cd?

I doubt TI will publish the CD once again, even though it made their calc accessories very popular.