this reminded me to get my black berry working again i wonder if this has one build in humm

No, it only has TI-89+HP-49 emulation and built in Linux.

It also has the "eCos" operating system.

MWM

If color screens are as expensive and power intinsive as the survey indicates, I don't want one. I don't like touchpads, because I don't like to hold a pen/pencil/stylus. Why would someone think that hand writting would make a better interface than a keyboard, even one too small to use your whole hand on.

I think flexibility and PC-interoperablity are the most important aspects of a calculator/PDA. So, on with the link ports, interpreters, and compilers.

I believe it said at hpcalc.org that it'll cost up around $350 or so.

Also, there are some artist renderings of it at hpcalc.org. (Web Page)

I think the price point is around $100 - competing with the 84+ and the Zarus available at Walmart. I can't find that processor for sale on Froogle. Can anyone estimate the cost of the hardware?

I think the trick is to sell a lot of these cheep and fast to earn back software development costs, not to sell a few expensively and slowly.

Is emulation legal if you don't own the HP and TI calculators? Or is it really simulation, like WINE (winehq.org).

Where do you get your info on the $100 price tag?

MWM

It is definitely emulation-look at screenshots. I have no idea if this is legal or not. The $100 price tag is off by $150-look at leaked information, and the leaked processor speed. Compare this to ANY calculator.

Sheez. The article says it's emulation, you don't have to look at the screenshots, which may just copy the look. I never said that it was $100 - just that it ought to be.

I wonder if the software is actually finished. If so, it ought to be available for download. It's linux after all. The GPL doesn't say the source has to be available to everyone, but it would be nice.

Yes, the article says emulation, but is it emulating the hardware (like Vti,) or the software? (like WINE)

MWM

It's not really either. The Qonos (if i'm not confusing two different things) uses a Transmeta chip, which is VLIW (Very Long Instruction Word). The advantage of this is that the chip can essentially be an x86 (which is what it is natively), or a 68k, or whatever the HP 49g uses, or even a PowerPC, all at the same time. So this could even run Mac OS X... which is just sexy.

One problem, Apples arn't sexy.

you are wrong on so many levels its not funny. The qonos uses an intel chip with an ARM core.

How about comparing it to TWO calculators AND a PDA.

To talk about the legality of using a HP 49G ROM ...

The source code for ROM version 1.24 of the old blue 49G is freely downloadable under LGPL. If you have the HP Saturn assembler and Cygwin (or some other POSIX compliant system) GCC, you can compile your own ROM for it. That doesn't include any enhancements that might be available in the 49g+, but most (if not all) of the mathematical functionality would be there. Under the license, though, you cannot distribute the ROM image directly, but only the source code. Then the user can compile it as they see fit.

(this ROM version was never commerically released before HP discontinued the product, and was used as the basis for the new calculator's ROM.)

Looking at the screenshots, I have to think that the emulation may be at the ROM level, in which case all of the functionality would be there, including the ability to run assembly programs.

But, it may just be "cosmetic" emulation, where the guts of the computations are performed by new routines written specifically for this project (and maybe even shared between the HP and TI emulators) and just made to look like the interfaces of the two originals.

WHOA-That must be the strangest thing that I ever saw.

maybe I should get one instead of a TI89ti...

Something tells me that it would be cheaper to buy both the 89ti, and 49g+. But I don't know how much the 49g+ is, so I could be wrong. All I know is >$350 is a little steep for a graphing calc.

-W-

I agree with you:
89ti = 150
+49g+ = 135 (at hpcalc.org)
---------------------------
285
Compared to >350, it's a good deal.

But, even if you put the hp49g+ and the ti-89ti together, it still wouldn't run linux.

MWM

He has a point... everyone seems to be focusing on the graphing calc aspects (as is only natural on TICalc) but it also a PDA, add that into your price and see how it comes out.

Yep, I've seen PPC's going for US$699

This website is called TIcalc for a reason, and its not about discussing linux...

but what else can it do?