Survey posted 1999-11-08 00:00 by Andy.

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I voted for 1 because I think ticalc should remove posting that are innappropriate, obscene, or just plain stupid. Who wants to read stuff like that? No one, so why post it and why let those who post such garbage to continue to do so? Anarchy can be nice, until someone writes something that is obsene. It's ticalc's message board and it should reserve the right to remove items that it doesn't like.

Sometimes I like the stupid posts because then I can laugh hysterically at the idiot poster.

Does Congress lock people up in jail for disaproving of what they do? No.

This isn't Congress, this is a website, and ticalc.org can do whatever the heck it likes. I don't see what the controversy is, really. And for the record, Bryan, I agree with you most of the time :-)
-KayGeeBee

Sure, it can do whatever the heck it likes. They've shown they can do that, with not the best results.

But lets get real - they want visitors and their input. They can't just do anything they want, because if the visitors get upset and angry, they will go other places.

I hate it when people always say stuff like, "ticalc.org can do whatever they want, so who cares." What kind of an attitude is that? These comment boards and surveys are here for a reason, so ticalc.org can get input from users and so users can voice their opinions.

Do you want your comments removed just because someone on the staff happens to disagree with your view?

Why: Here are the reasons why.

Off Topic posts and Flames are actually very informative in the end. A lot of mud being slinged back and forth are arguments for and against verious ideas. For instance, one argument that i am always in is the argument of BASIC vs. ASM. Granted that a lot of non useful comments are generated from arguments, still some arguments are generated that are relevant. Such as the quotes from Patrick Davidson that told me to stop being a crybaby and learn it my own self instead of having someone teach it to me. Maybe I'll learn ASM, maybe I'll stick to basic. But the thing of the matter is, of the fifty flames or so on that comment board, mine and Patrick's were in the mix. I appreciated the constructive criticism, and have thought about it since. Now, if the corporate flame hunters had gone through the message and disabled my posting abilities i would have never got as far as I had. So I beleive that comments that are completely off topic can be very constructive. SO keep em' or dump em, but you gotta love em.

-My comepletely rambling and rabing for 3 minutes.-

Amen brotha.

From what I remember, "anarchy" wasn't exactly anarchy, but limited free speech, right? I'm all for ticalc's "anarchy" plan, as long as the more offensive comments are still deleted. Sometimes it is very interesting to hear the things that aren't exactly on topic. Another idea is that maybe ticalc can create a system similar to what ti.com uses. A general and non-specific discussion group could be useful, and it would be a much better place for people to post questions that don't pertain to recent news.
Nick Minerowicz

Exactly. The poll was misleading. It wasn't "total anarchy", it was limited free speech. But they will try and stretch things as much as they can to get the poll to reflect the results they want.

Uh. Bryan. Chill. This isn't some huge conspiracy or anything. And just because ticalc.org does something, doesn't automaticially make it wrong.

Someone is just too full of spite for his own good.

Levine

How do you know its not a conspiracy? I've had several people tell me that privately, ticalc.org staff members have told them they will never do this anarchy thing again. And Chris delayed approval of posting a "hot" news item until after the "anarchy" trial is over. Its clear to me ticalc.org has made up their mind on this issue before the survey is even over.

I never said everything ticalc.org does is wrong. But this survey is very misleading. But you have no idea what happens internally on this staff. Some of the more senior staff members have become corrupt.

ha corrupt ha ha ha
so what if their mines are already made up, they are asking what method the community prefers, not what they prefer...
it doesn't even say they'll do what the people want...

So this whole thing about a trial and then a vote and stuff is just a charade...

If they aren't going to take the survey seriously, then why are they doing it?

to know how much what they choose will anger the ti community :)

LOL... that's true.

which method is this article using? 1 or 2?

I think that this survey is using #1. (that doesn't sound grammaticaly correct)

It's interesting to notice which posts ticalc.org considers to be irrelevant... for example, I happen to know that posts asking for ports of a game are always deleted. Now in some cases the ports are asked for in a bad manner (lesse somebody comes to mind here.... beasty?) but lots of times they say "please port this to _ _" and it's deleted anyway. Also, many times they delete first comment posts even if they said something besides saying "first comment".

I think it's interesting that there isn't an option for "other"... what about moderation options people suggested? What about actually laying out the REAL rules for comment deletions (as opposed to the fake ones that they try to make us believe). If they're going to delete all of Bryan's comments, fine, but they need to put in the comment guidelines "if your name is Bryan Rabeler your post will be deleted." #4 ain't all that bad an option... I bet it would let a bunch of people do other things besides reading and replying to the comment boards... When Patrick Davidson posts a 2+ page reply to a comment, you have to consider that as time that might otherwise have been spent programming, just as this reply is right now...

This should have been mentioned in the news article, but no matter what option ends up going into effect (excluding "no commenting at all", of course), we will make a major revision to the comment guidelines and try to be as specific as possible.

Anybody who wants to suggest something beyond the options in this survey can email us at feedback@ticalc.org.

As for hiding the results, if the fact that they're hidden means you're voting differently, then we've probably made the right decision. Since we will be posting the results at the end, I don't see the reason behind being upset about it except for impatience.

Chris

Were you referring to my comment, or other people's comments? Because I didn't say anything about hiding the results... it only makes sense on something like this that is (supposed to be) a fair voting procedure...

Yeah, the last part was directed to people in general... I'm too lazy to post multiple comments :)

Chris

Chris, we know you are too lazy. That's why I'm the cook and your the manager, right? :)

Speaking of Beasty, we haven't heard anything from him in this article.