Survey posted 1999-11-08 00:00 by Andy.

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I didn't think that anarchy was that bad. After the article that announced total anarchy, it seemed everyone got over their desire to post innappropriate or off-topic messages, with the exception of people like Beasty (whose posts I actually find kind of funny). If restrictions on postings are applied to the newsgroups, maybe ticalc should create a special "anarchy board" where people can go to discuss anything they want.

Heh, do YOU own an 83+ too? :)

~ferich

I don't own one but I use one from school every once and awhile. All my friends have 83+s though.

Time to change your friends. Your hanging out with a the wrong crowd.

note: This was a joke (although I do think TI-83s are increadibly stupid things to buy). I repeat, a joke.

I noticed that also.

Right, the "anarchy" (free speech) trial went pretty well. Sure, there are going to be those exceptions that just can't handle the responsiblity.

But alas, Chris and Nick, and the other staff members for srong moderation, will use these rare examples to prove their point that they need moderation.

It's sad. This whole trial is to prove their case.

Sorry, that should be "for strong moderation"....

I think that just comments that are totally irrelevent or are >pg rated should be removed

just how many pg movies have come out of the studio recently.

none.

all are >pg-13

Does your mother not allow you to watch pg-13 movies? Is this site blocked out by net-nanny? Are links to pornography regularly displayed? Are you seven years old? Are the giant, radioactive frogs in my living room dangerous? Am I babbling like an idiot? Is this one of those posts that should be deleted for being way off-topic?

That answer to all those questions is a resounding yes, except for the one about the frogs; they're quite friendly.

I still think the best option is to split things. Let one/some message sections be totally open. Make a/some message board(s) very restrictive for those that want intelligent conversation/debate. Further, if the board that is for intelligent and restrictive conversations is abused by a member, then it would be good to ban them by popular concensus. If that participant wanted back in the group, then they should be voted back in by popular concensus. i.e. If you piss everyone off, you will be ejected by everyone. It encourages everyone to be relevant and polite. For those who prefer the abuses of the anarchal system, they are free to visit the sections with that type of rules system. Comments are welcome.

Tip DS

I like that idea. Seems like it might be a little complex, though. Nonetheless, I would vote for that suggestion.

Yeah, I like the idea too. It could work in a way similar to the "Hide Fake News" option. A "Hide Off-topic Threads" option could be created. There would still have to be someone monitoring for off-topic posts, but at least this way people who want to say anything and see everything still can. The people who dont like censorship could disable it, and those who want an informative discussion can turn it on. I guess the only problem would be figuring out which to make as the default setting.
Nick Minerowicz

anarchy is good. speaking off topic, we need some more fake news. Also, as long as I am off topic, here's a fun argument to start (someone please take the bait) mac is good. I think I'll post some really, really long stuff that has nothing to do with anything and is mildly offensive. we'll see.

go fake news!
he..he..bait taken!! Mac sux. Go PC's!

there are macs based on a 68k processor, same as my 89, but my calculator is still better. UNIX!!!!!

Windows, Mac, Blah! LINUX baby, yeah! LINUX LINUX LINUX. Now if only someone would make a decent Linking program for Linux (an assembler would be nice to).

I never said windows..I said PC...that could mean dos, windows, linux, etc. (Anything with the right motherboard)

Yeah, it's important to differentiate architecture from platform. The comparison of Mac and PCs is not the same as comparing operating systems.

Linux does rule, although I am not using it, do not have it, am not very good with it, and have no immediate plans to implement it. Seriously though, it is better.

MACS RULE, LEAVE IT AT THAT.
{Sarcastic} Poor Bill Gates and Microsoft. Did you see that cute picture of Billy Gates in the newspaper a few days ago?

yup..hell of funny :)

I wonder if TI would be declared a monopoly, since almost no one has HP calcs :)

TI is almost a monopoly, but it dosen't have too much money. When ti gets enough money (from overpriced sdks and such), then they will be declared a monopoly.

LOL :-)

LOL. Sarcasm strikes again.

You're right, TI is really struggling finacially. Their CEO makes barely over minimum wage and the company cars are '78 El Caminos. When they begin charging rediculous prices for calculator accessories (like making us pay 40 bucks for a graph link), we can call them a monopoly.

Macs are for pussies.
nuff said.

First of all, macs DO suck. If you want more fake news, vote for anarchy. The ticalc staff will spend less time censoring stupid messages and hopefully more time thinking up ideas for fake news.

someone write some cool fake news and send it to ticalc. everone loves fake news. anarchy is the way to go. anyone interested in destroting their 89 in should go to the url above. it's funny.

i wrote the little archiving program for my friends calc. he caught it at about 490, though :(

i also wrote one that fills up your memory rapidly. It creates about 100,000 lists w/ 3 elements and counts up to 160K of mem taken (this took some practice to find the right number.). It then archives all of these. It then repeats again, and archives those, and then just makes another 160K of lists. HEHE!!! lets see him find his notes in all of that. PS even better if the 89 in question has Archive Utility on it, cause then the archived lists go not away!!! HAHHAHHAHAHHA!!!

I also wrote another fun, but stupid, program that continually created folders until the calculator wasn't receptive to its advances any longer.

Those programs are fun, easy to make, adn can be hidden under ambiguous var names, like, RUNME, or PHOENIX

That wouldn't work well though. New comments are made in a second..and no one would monitor for 24 hours a day...
of course, they could always delay replies, until they've read them, but that wouldn't well either

he he your 89 is tight, and it may be better than a mac, but that would make it about eight times better than a pc. windows sux bad. at least microsoft is a monopoly now. I hope gates has to give all their money to mac. that would be cool.

uh wrong thread..
anyway, its dumb to say Microsoft is a monopoly if you have a mac....hmm..must not be a monopoly then :)
just cause I have a PC doesn't mean I like windoze, you need it for compatibility. Go DOS and linux!!!

BTW, wonder if this thread will be deelted :)

If you didn't know, the main form of DOS is made by Microsoft!

No the main form of dos is dos
the other one is microsoft dos which is microsoft

what he said..

yeah DOS was made by some guy who sold it to Microsoft. So, Microsoft didn't make it.

And when DOS was made, microsoft wasn't so evil...

Just watch "The Pirates of Silicon Valley". That'll tell you everything..

-Fil

where do i watch that?

Oh my, I remember that video, we watched it in typing class in 7th grade, it talked about all thin stuff about how macs were the first good personal computer and stuff like that.

It was on TBS a few months ago.

that's what makes it a monopoly. you have to use the inferior microsoft system due to compatibility, even if you like linex or something better. If they're going to have windows, they should at least copy mac better so it would work. I hate having to use that microsoft cr*p.

pc's aren't crap (note: ya really don't need to use a *, it is not swearing, at least in my book), at least they have a two-button mouse, which doesn't look like it is suited for hockey, a command-line interface, if the user wishes to use one, always includes a floppy drive (Imac very very bad...), a better file system that gives user more control. and finally, PC's don't advertise: Buy our computer 'cause it has a cool color!!!

ok, so the i-mouse isn't too great, but you don't have to use one. There are three button mice for mac too, you know. You also have to admit that pull-down application menues on the mac are much faster and easier to use than remembering and typing in the exact location and file name. The i-macs don't use floppies because they're considered outdated with macs. Most of them come with zip-drives instead, they're much more practical. Where is that better file system that gives the user more control? I'd like to know so I can get my vPC to work better.

way easier to delete hidden and system files, mess with the bios, etc. command-line interface is nice to. Plus, Pc's crash less (or maybe it's just the crappiness of school macs :)

WARNING: I admit I am biased, as I am more familiar with PC's then Macs, thus I may be giving inacuurate info, however, if I was experienced with both, I'd like PC's better, and I wouldn't write these run-on sentences..

I've said it before, I'll say it again, don't base your information on macs on those 5 year old 68ks at your school. I hate those too. Use a new g3 or g4 and then try to dis macs. Your probably right about being able to delete hidden and system variables on a pc more easily though, although I don't know how to do it on a pc. Even if you know how to do it on a mac, it takes about thirty seconds.
Finally, someone who had a rational argument for PC's rather than saying "macs suck" with no argumental information.

My menus pull down faster than any mac I've ever seen (G3 & G4s included). Also Linux is a much better OS than the MacOS, Period. However is Apple would buy Be, Inc. and make BeOS their official OS than the Macs would slaughter any other computer, easily.

here's 50 reason why macs are better:
Internet & Networking

Windows 98 integrates flawlessly with the Internet
Windows 98 supports Internet Channels; Mac-OS does not
Windows 98 makes Internet access powerful with Broadcast Architecture
Windows file extensions allow greater control and work flawlessly with the Internet
Windows integrates with ActiveX technology, giving power to your desktop
Windows supports mult-linking modems; Mac-OS does not
Networking is more powerful with Windows
Performance & Reliability

PCs are much better at handling three-dimensional graphics & virtual reality
Windows is far more stable than Mac-OS
Windows uses preemptive multitasking; Mac-OS does not
Windows 95/98 offers true Plug and Play, the Macintosh does not
Windows 98 automatically updates itself with the latest technology
Windows is far more advanced than Mac-OS in handling memory
System

Windows Scripting Host is more powerful than AppleScript
Windows 95/98 Registry is more advanced than the format used by Mac-OS
You can open multiple instances of applications with Windows; with Mac-OS you can only open one.
Printing is easier using Windows
Installing and using CD-ROM titles is easier with Windows
PCs have superior sound capabilities
Games are better on the PC
Graphic User Interface

The Windows desktop metaphor is easier to use
Windows provides superior onscreen window control
Windows allows great control over customizing its appearance; Mac-OS does not
Windows allows users to assign sounds to different events; Mac-OS cannot
Windows has menu bars in every window; Mac-OS has only one
Windows offers a 2 button mouse; a vast improvement over the Macintosh's single button mouse
The Windows Task Bar is more intuitive than the Mac-OS Applications menu
The Windows Start Menu is superior to the Mac-OS Apple Menu
Windows 98 has integrated toolbars; giving versatility and ease to the desktop
Windows supports multiple user profiles; Mac-OS does not
Windows can be navigated using the keyboard; Mac-OS cannot
Windows applications integrate directly with the desktop
Windows has a wide variety of accessibility options, Mac-OS doesn't
Files & File Manipulation

File manipulation is easier and more powerful with Windows
Windows 95/98 has longer filenames than Mac-OS
Windows 95/98 shortcuts are more sophisticated than Mac-OS aliases
Windows is superior for transporting files
The Windows Recycle Bin is more sophisticated than the Mac-OS Trash
Economics

PC computers cost just a fraction of the cost of a Macintosh computer.
It is easier and more affordable to setup multiple monitors with Windows 98
Videoconferencing is cheaper can more readily available on the PC
Upgrading a PC is affordable and easy
Service is easier to find and more affordable on the PC
Miscellaneous

Over 99% of computer programmers prefer PCs over Macintosh computers
Practically all programming languages are available only for the PC
Many applications are only available on the PC
PCs are always backward compatible; with Macs this isn't always the case
PCs consist over 95% of the market, and growing
There is a wide variety of PCs available
There are vastly more games available for the PC than the Mac

P.s. I think I just pissed everyone off by adding 15k to the board :) That's life.

For you yoshi, the url I put is a nice page of why pcs are better than macs, but it really tells it the other way around.
Ah just see it..

what the hell is that BS you posted?
Any of the stuff that i could make sense of what it was supposed to be simply is not true. All the reasons you posted were that windows is superior, more versatile, more powerfull, more sophisticated, and more intuitive. Most of those things don't mean anything. Since there were no examples of how those could mean anything, I will assume that they do not. Does more sophisticated mean harder to use? Also, things like being unable to assign sounds on macs is bull. What does it mean to be able to open multiple instances of applications? How is printing easier? how is the start menue superior? How does windows "integrate flawlessly with the internet" that mac does not? Do you even understand the stuff that the creator of those "50 reasons" put in that original article?

I believe being able to open multiple instances of applications means that you can have 15 Microsoft Word programs open at one time if you wanted. I use this quite often, though it's usually with Internet Explorer.

As for integrating with the Internet, my college is a good example of this. All of are assignments are available over the Internet through the college's web-site, usually in Microsoft word or PowerPoint format. As a matter of fact, that how must of our lectures in class are done. The professor gives lectures using a PowerPoint presentation. We can follow along in class by viewing the presentation through Internet Explorer, without even download it. We can also access the presentation any time through any PC connected to the Internet. Internet Explorer and Microsoft applications are very easily integrated into the Internet.

<sarcasism>
And that's why Microsoft is harmful to consumers..
</sarcasism>

I think the internet stuff is pretty much true for all computers. On a mac, however, one would have to duplicate the application program to re-open it as another program while it was running. Of course, one can always create new documents or browsers once the program is running, so I don't see the point of being able to reopen the program while running.

You probably don't understand some of the reasons because they don't exist on the mac. I do know that some of those reasons are not true, like 1-button mice on the mac - you can get two or three button mice for the mac. The other stuff I don't know about (as far as the mac is concerned).

yes you can can multimouse mice for mac os, but I'm talking about the default here..
macos does not natively support multi-button mice
not is it defaulted with a muti-button mouse.
Also, having the diskette drive ejection through menus isn't good in case your computer crashes, so you need to reboot just to eject. Of course, on the IMac there is no diskette drive (so what if your computer hard drive crashes/macos files deleted (cdroms are bad in that case)) Another good reason is the lack of expansion slots.

I admit that page where I got that info wasn't really good. I once saw a good page that took apple's 50 reasons why macs are better and explained how those reasons weren't so true but I can't find it :)

so basically what you are saying here is that people who use macs (yourself included) barely speak english and are, in general, dumb

but...
i like the mouse...
(hahaha, you know im kidding)
and how about that power cord? HA
what a laff riot.

"That wouldn't work well though. New comments are made in a second..and no one would monitor for 24 hours a day...
of course, they could always delay replies, until they've read them, but that wouldn't well either" --usaar33

I see what you are saying. That wasn't what I meant. Let the posts go up in the section and let everyone read them. If this person keeps posting irrelevant or annoying posts, then the members of that select readership would vote them out of "the club." Initially, everyone would be allowed in. Those that choose to be abrasive would be voted out and loose their privliges to post in that section. That would leave the group free to post/read intelligent views.

Tip DS