Survey posted 2000-11-19 03:21 by Andy Selle.

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I really don't know how to cheat with my ti89/92 we can use them in our tests for everything we want, also the tests aren't really hard. There's no way to make it easier if you have to solve an equation and you use the solve command. ( oh I could make a misstake by writing the result on my paper ;-)

malte

The calcs have enough memory that I could type up all my chem notes on computer, then turn it into an ti89 text file with a conversion program, which I forget the name of. Or turn it into an ebook.

txtrider is nice because it lets the user incorporate pictures into the text.

Or say if I forget the formuala for finding the inverse of a 2 by 2 square matrix. I could then type:
[[a,b][c,d]]^-1 and it would tell me the answer.



-Samuel Stearley

Been there, done that. I had a problem factored right on the paper, but when it came time to copy it to the answer column I changed a sign so I got the problem wrong. I pointed this out to the teacher, but he just laughed. But this isn't the worst case I've seen. There was a kid who sits by me, and he did that three times. On the same quiz, the same one where I made the afore-mentioned mistake. :(
(I like how word turns the above into a picture of a frowning face, I wish it would do that here:)

YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LIARS!!! </LOUD_ANNOYING_ACCUSATION>

Seriously, I did once, or at least tried. I wrote a program a head of time to help me learn how to do problems (that I can practically do in my head now) but at the last minute Mrs. Scott made us use the in class calcs.

Hmm... tough to answer, I don't know if what I've done is considered cheating, it probably depends on the teacher. I did write a few math programs, but I used them to check my answers.

A kind of related note, on my Spanish II final two years ago, our teacher said we could put anything we wanted on a notecard, so a minute before the test, I taped my electronic Spanish-English dictionary to the notecard. Hehe, he let me use it too. I don't think he knew that it could conjugate verbs though.

Pretty sharp :)

My old chem teacher would let us use 3x5 cards on every single test. One side of one card, put as much as you can. Well, all the people that were supposedly smart used a .001 millimeter pen and practically copied the whole book onto the card. I used a card once and my TI-89 with periodic table, txtrider, and my own molar mass program all the other times, and did better than they did most of the time.

Sometimes cramming an note card full of information is a good thing. My English teacher let us have one 3x5 card for a in-class essay test, you could put whatever you want on it. I took a .5 mm mechanical pencil and a magnifying glass and wrote my entire essay on it.

In World History (HS junior year), we also got to use index cards. I did mine with my PC, using the smallest font size possible.

A friend of mine (who was also in 3 of my math classes during our time in HS) had a better printer, so the letters on his cards were less than 1 mm tall. Someimes he added flaps to the card to get even more writing on there. One of his cards contained the equivalent of 20 pages of normal-sized text!

How small can I print with my printer? I've always written by hand, I never used my PC. My printer can print 2400x1200 dpi.

Wow. 2400x1200? You could print pretty damn small. Unfortunately you'd need some special (read: expensive) paper that won't absorb the ink. Glossy paper should work if you still have the paper starter kit that might have come with your printer.

Back on topic, I have "cheated" on occaision but it's not a chronic thing.

I suppose my printer is quite good, I just used the medium-level 1200x1200 dpi setting to print fake ID badges to foil the evil teachers at my school. :) Counterfeiting is fun (and profitable!) Does that count as cheating, because it is school-related and it prevents students from paying money to the school for replacement IDs? So I think it is a form of cheating. I'm rambling on and on here...

OK- two related threads for this question. One, here at the University of Toledo, all programmable/graphing calculators are banned for use on all tests or quizzes, making it impossible to use a TI to cheat on a test.

Two, a little anecdote from my High School Physics class to hopefully discourage some of those who do cheat.

In Physics Honors, there were three ways to gain credit on a test. First was your raw score, second was partial credit for any successful work on an incorrect problem, and third was a 5-point take-home test.

This take-home test was simple in concept. Two or three problems, any points gained were added directly onto your raw score. The only caveat was that you could consult any text or resource you desired, EXCEPT other people, excluding the teacher.

One day, after the electronics/circuitry take-home was handed in (killer test), the teacher, Mr. Cochran, walks in the classroom with a sorrowful look in his eyes. His statement was simple. "46 out of 61 students cheated on the take-home, and I have ample evidence if you wish to see it. The punishment is as follows: 2 academic demerits (required parent's signature), a zero on the take-home and a complete loss of any and all respect I had for you. Those students who did not cheat, our relationship is unchanged, and your honor shines more brightly. That is all."

This post, while fairly long, should serve as a warning to those who cheat. Teachers may seem blind and dumb, but they do see you. The question is, should they report you?

Knight/Rocket's 2c.

hmm... what about "No, I don't need to cheat"? I can honestly say that I have never cheated on a test with a TI graphing calulator. Math tests are quite easy to do in your head except for graphing and all that shit, but we can use calcs for that part anyway...
I did, however, cheat on a U.S. Government test once. and that was all because i didn't read or study or anything. too lazy... :)

Here in the united states tests are EASY
It's 6:30 AM the day of a HUGE history test but what am I doing (Hint: It involves this post.)

They say Japan's schools are 5 times or more harder but the challange would be interesting

P.S. I have time to take Anvanced Algebra and French too :)

<TANGENT>Here in the united states tests are EASY
It's 6:30 AM the day of a HUGE history test but what am I doing (Hint: It involves this post.)

They say Japan's schools are 5 times or more harder but the challange would be interesting

P.S. I have time to take Anvanced Algebra and French too :)

This has nothing to do with anything, so feel free to ignore it. </TANGENT>

Of course I use my calc to cheat! I believe cheating is right. if you can beat the system and not get caught, why not do it? if by cheating you can do what others did by studying, you are clearly the winner there. you may not really learn much by doing this, but who cares? Cheating is ideal for chem and physics, and we don't really have to remember anything in that. As for cheating in math, i don't do it because i don't need to, and i'm assuming that everyone else in this place is also good in math.

remember, it's not cheating if you don't get caught.
Long live the CHEATING!!

If there was... oh, let's say a Doctor... who worked at your local hospital. Let's also say he cheated on most every test in college. Let's also say he passed. And, now, let's say you have had a heart attack and this Doctor is the only heart surgeon in your city. I ask, would you want to be cut into by this Doctor?

ericman2000's food for though

I disagree wholeheartedly with your stetement. You said, "if you can beat the system and not get caught, why not do it?". Well, the simple reason why not is that you will get caught later on.

I know a person in college (my best friend's roommate) who believed he had honed his cheating skills to a fine art. In fact, he bragged he made it through all of high school cheating and was proud of his "skills".

However, on the first test of the year in Chem 1240, he was sitting two or three rows in front of me, taking the test and cheating rather obviously. All of a sudden, the professor comes up behind him, grabs his test and his cheat sheet, shreds them both and orders him to leave.

He failed the course.

Just more food for tought.

Knight/Rocket's 4c.

Another point that needs to be made is that high school is vastly different from college. In high school the most a typical teacher will give is an F on the assignment.

However in college, they can and will fail you without a single thought or any shred of mercy. While you may be able to get by without getting caught in high school, in college the stakes are higher and the opposition watches you more carefully.

More food for thought.
Knight/Rocket's 8c.

Why is "No, cheating is wrong" the first choice. Are you implying something? Are you saying I'm a bad person?

No, you aren't a bad person. You are just a misguided person.