Survey posted 2000-09-30 06:43 by Andy Selle.

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any1 know a way to program the comp in asm??

I only answered this way because I'm still new to the other languages...

TI-BASIC was my first programming foray, as it were

-Anubis (TI-BASIC number one)

I know what you mean. I've never really had time to learn any language other than Basic for the calcualtor. (TI-Basic number two)

I just haven't taken the time to learn anything beyond TI-{83,85,86,89} TI-BASIC. I really need to get past chapter one in my book on C, though.

eofpi and the unimatrix's 45.599850351139 5th TI-BASIC programming cents

I found a really well written book on C++ called learn C++ in 21 days. The author is Jesse Liberty and is published by Sams. It only covers the basics but you really come away with something from it.

Bingo. I've got that same book but haven't gotten around to reading it!! Someday...

TI-BASIC all the way man! It's easy to learn, it's portable, and (when used right) can be quite powerful as well.

-TI-BASIC Voter #39 (AKA "Fil"), who misses his shiny $0.02 very much

I got Learn C in 21 Days Complete Compiler Edition (includes MS visual C++ studio 6.0 Lite version (basically means it works right for about one compilation) and DJGCC (haven't tried that yet)). It also had a bonus week that basically serves as an introduction to OOP, specifically C++ and Java.

eofpi and the unimatrix's 45.599850351139 cents

I used to same Sam's book to learn C++ (or at least 6 chapters worth og it; I've been busy lately). As for compilers, check out Borland's website - they have the C++ builder 5.5 compiler and linker (minus the IDE) available for free download from http://www.borland .com/bcppbuilder/freecompiler/ (eliminate the space after the word borland)

p.s. The one compilation thing isn't a feature of the lite version - the regular one's like that too :)

I used the same kind of book to learn visual basic it is really good

Yeah, me too. I only know TI-BASIC and I need to learn C++ for school. I should really get around to that.

Yeah, I know where you're coming from; I'm facing the same dilemma. I haven't been able to find the time (Or the resources, for that matter) to learn how to program in any language other than TI-BASIC. Now, given, TI-BASIC is a very simple language, but with its simplicity comes immeasurable limitations.

Would any of you fine chaps out there be willing to point me to a site where I could find programming guides for the TI-83+? Whenever I click on a TI-83+ assembly language link, it always brings me to a TI-83 ASM page. Now, not being very experienced in programming (Let alone assembly), I am unable to interpret whether the guides apply to the TI-83+ or the TI-83.

Please don't give me any BASIC links; I am already relatively skilled with the language. Anybody willing to check out my projects can check out my conic grapher program for the TI-83(+). BASIC is cross-compatible with the TI-83/+, right? If so, then the program is for both. This may seem like a lot of questions, but I'm a professional at rambling on and on and on and on...

BASICally, all I'm really looking for is a comprehensive, in-depth guide to assembly programming for the TI-83+. Thanks.

~ Stephen

I know PSP isn't really that much of a language, but it'd be cool to see it on the list.

amicek

I am sorry to say this but it probably isn't a good thing to learn TI-Basic first (Or any basic for that matter) if you want to learn any other non-basic language. Basic just screws your mind up and makes it harder to learn other languages like C++. If you want to learn something easy that won't screw you up in the long run learn PERL or something.
Just my 2 cents

I totaly agree to this, im glad i only learned a small amount of basic before venturing into c++ and assembly. Had i learned much more, it would have been hell to get out of the basic mindset.
The moral of the story: you're better off w/out that basic crap.

That's worth more than two cents, more like 3 dollars

It depends on which kind of BASIC you learn. QBasic wouldn't screw your mind up because it lets you write structured code. On the other hand, starting with GW-BASIC or TI-BASIC could cause confusion when learning non-BASIC languages.

As for me, I never had any problems learning the languages in this order:

LOGO
BASIC (the old line-numbered type)
Pascal
TI-BASIC
C
QBasic and VB
C++
Java

I program TI-BASIC now because I haven't really tried the other ones much yet... but someday... you just watch out people

becuase I am building my strength for the World Takeover using... QBASIC!!!

MUAHAUHAUHAUHAUAHUAHUAHA

-Anubis (TI-BASIC #1)

well, some people already know Qbasic, infact most people over 40 knows it. and QBasic is not as powerful as vb or c++, so reconcider what u r learning!

I really think that he was joking (Besides Qbasic is much more powerful than my first programming language: casio basic).

I actually rather like programming in PHP and in mySQL.

QBasic is more powerful than many people think but its still true that it an interpreted language. To get it to be powerful you just got to dig a little deeper.

Given that:

1. QBASIC is an iterpreted language.
2. It does not support object-oriented programming.
3. It won't run under Windows ME.

It is highly unlikely that QBASIC could ever be used for a world takeover.

Why doesn't QBASIC run under Windows Me? Even if Microsoft doesn't support it anymore, it'll run under a DOS prompt, which exists in Windows Me anyway, right?

I think his point was that there is no MSDOS prompt in Win ME. It has DOS emulation for DOS games, but no prompt or command line.

No prompt lines? Windows ME sounds like a pile of crap.

My thoughts exactly.

WinME must be avoided at all costs.

That's bull, Windows ME, unlike win2k, DOES have a fully functional MS-DOS prompt.

Windows ME has a DOS promt

windows me has a dos prompt, but this is not a true dos. Microshaft took out dos completely from their latest piece of crap. This, they claim, makes the computer more stable and boots up 2 sec. faster.

WOW!!! A whole 2 FREAING SECONDS FASTER? That's worth it(ha ha ha). Sorry but I have to get back to writing viruses in Qbasic.

Why does everybody trashes Windows ME?
It's better than Win95/98/2000 anyway. Yes it does emulates the DOS and you can't boot in the dos mode but who needs it? And it boots a whole lot faster than other Win's (and not 2 sec faster)!

We trash windows me because windows is becoming more like MACos every version.

That's funny cause MacOS is becoming more like Unix every version.

I see in the not so far off future Unified world peace of everyone using Unix/Linux.
Here is why:
1: Microsoft is Cloning MacOS
2: MacOS is being programmed more like Unix
3: Unix/Linux just RulEz!

There is just one problem with all this, most Computer users are complete idiots anymore. Either they will finally become computer literate, or they will quit using computers altogether now.

I just knew Linux would come out in the end.

-JrJinfinity

My money's on computer sales dying out completely and being replaced with netappliances for the induhviduals and loads of components for building computers for us geeks. There will be no more Micro$loth, because the induhviduals' devices won't have the power to run bloatware, and geeks know to avoid that company at all costs. I personally can't wait until the Linux/*BSD revolution:)

eofpi and the unimatrix's 45.599850351139 cents

>We trash windows me because windows is becoming more like MACos every version

Some simple equations:
MacOS = Good
Windows = Bad
Linux = Geeky but stable
MacOS + Linux = Good, not geeky, and stable.
Windows [trying to clone] MacOS = Bad, shows that MacOS is superior, Microsoft is a bunch of copycats

For example Windows ME includes a "excellent non-linear video editing program," I hear. Macs have had this, what over a year already in the form of iMovie?
Over a year ago, Apple revolutionized the computing industry with trancelucent plastic iMacs. PC manufacturers passed it off as a cheap marketing gag, but soon enough, PC rip-offs, some of which came IN THE SAME TRANSCLUCENT COLORS, appeared on the market.

If, by this point, you are unaware of my OS of choice, you must be really thick.

Hear, hear!

Just to confirm my guess (I probably would be sure of this, but i'm listening to Nine Inch Nails and doing calculus at the same time as browsing this board): you use MacOS

eofpi and the unimatrix's 45.599850351139 multitasking cents

I agree with your OS classification.
I just want to honor LINUX a little bit more.

Oh my GOD! Another MacOS user! YAY! I knew we would come to power some day... BTW Windows ME is a crappy name don't you think? At first I thought ME meant ME, as in it's MINE a.k.a. more user friendly (from MacroHard? ROFL. I had a good laugh). Later, I found out ME was Millenium Edition, which is also a crappy name. Oh well, at least there are people who appreciate Macs. They are fast, reliable, and good to use with graphics eventhough the norm has only 16Megabytes of Video Mem. And also, not only are PC's copying the iMac, so are palm pilots, TI translucent calc covers, N64's, CD players, telephones, even chairs (yes, i have seen an Ad for translucent chairs, in 5 colors).

Omicron and the borg collective's infinite cents

P.S. LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND PREPARE TO BE ASSIMILATED.
hehe

I am so glad I'm not the only one having to put up with the calculator world's almost nonexistant support for macs. Everything is all .zip files and .exe apps. IT'S NOT FAIR. Why can't we just use .sit files and why do we need file extensions anyway? WHY SHOULD WE PUT UP WITH THIS??????? MAC USERS UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I use AppleScript


P.P.S. How about asking the question "What computer system do you use?" in the next survey

OH YEAH! MAC USERS UNITE! That and the fact I forgot to mention the *NEW* Mac G4 Cubes! Well, obviously some stupid PC company like Compaq or Dell will steal the idea and turn it into a Compaq SPHERE! or a Dell TETRAHEDRON! or some other idiotic shape.

I will give apple credit, they do think of some great things. Unforantaly they do a bad job at selling it. The reason the PC market took off it that not just one company make computers that runs only a few things, They made computers that many people can and have copied ( so there is no corner on the market like macs) and can run a large amount of software, including differant OS. The problem I have with Mac now is that they aren't selling a computer, their selling a color. 'Look the new Imac thats green or do you want the red one, maybe your blue' That is the stupidest reason to buy a computer. Apple has made a few good things in the past, the G4 I think it is, but untill they free the code to write programs and allow more liberties with their computer they will not become a computer prower again.

The fact that the same company controls the hardware and software does result in an inherently superior machine. When Apple licensed clones, even with their strict- paranoid, if you will- supervision of their design, the clones, in my IT experience, are less reliable machines.

As for the colors, they're nice if people like them. G3s have more than enough power than your average home users could want, so arguing that buying a Mac is silly because its colored is like arguing that you shouldn't buy a Rolls Royce because you have a choice of hides for the seats. You have to look at the rest of the machine. Just because its a different looking computer, doesn't say anything about what's on the inside.

Using your Rolls Royce example, Apple would sell the rolls royce by saying you can pick the paint and the paint is the big selling point. There is a powerful engine in there but don't look at it, just pick your paint.

I agree 100% of the way! The only assembler for macs at this site is a crappy beta version. I think the people should be more understanding
aecay.haha.we.wont.take.this.windows!!
PS
I agree with you about the file extentions
PPS
Use Stuffit to unzip zip files

Windows ME is NOT better than 95/98/2000. When I first got 98, I thought it was really buggy. Then I saw Windows ME, and about had a heart attack! Especially when I learned that there was no DOS prompt. This really bugged me. I still use Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 and Turbo Pascal 7.0, which are both DOS programs. Besides that, I was raised on a DOS computer. I can fly in DOS, but I am slowed down in Windows by click, click, clicking... Man, am I glad for shortcut keys...

Criticism is welcome, but you had better have good evidence. By the way, you can not write a *good* virus in QBasic. Try C++, lamer.
E-Mail link above...

My 2*4^1/3 cents worth...

BTW - I have started a new community for TI-89 C and ASM programmers. It is located in the link above. Anyhow... all of you are welcome to join, and share your vast knowledge of C and ASM programming for the TI-89. Have a nice day...

cajunguy

heck yeah! lack of keyboard shortcuts & the stupid menu glued to the top of the screen are two of my major gripes about smacos. (along with lack of a cli)

btw, you can't write a *good* virus is c++ either. you have to use asm or a macro/scripting language. and you can't really write a very good virus for unix either.

My CS prof tells me that WinME has more than 60 000 known bugs!

I use DOS versions of Turbo C, and Turbo Pascal. I use them whenever I want a small program that runs quickly. No Windows compiler can do that, they're only capable of making bloated code. Also, I have a few good DOS-only games.

I will not upgrade to WinME. There is no way I'm paying money for an OS that is both less reliable and less functional than my current ones.

btw, why is your comment worth 2/3 cent more than everyone else's? Or did you mean (2*4)^(1/3)?

I agree 100%. I will NEVER "upgrade" to windows me. Heck, I think I would rather go back to the ALMOST bugless windows 3.11 than "upgrade" to windows me.

-WILDFIRE

Is it just me or is microshaft getting worse and worse with every edtion. I love dos (sad to say this isn't a real microshaft product since they just bought the thing) and windows 3.1 did what it needed to do. I never had an error with my computer untill I got winblows 95. For some odd reason I thought microshaft might have fixed these errors in 98, only to see that they just got worse. I'm affraid of what ME could do to my computer and for that reason I will never buy another Microshaft OS again. Just me and linux for now on.

I agree -- I loved win 3.11. I only upgraded because the 89 software runs on 95+.

But I *have* been pleased with w2k -- it's big, but i've not crashed once, and I'm doing video editing and 3-D rendering.

--Joey

I am sorry. I did mean (2*4)^(1/3). I am extremely tired. Along with my regular class load, my entire school district was attacked by a virus, and I have been helping them trace and debug it. The district just spent $150,000 for a site licence of Norton Anti-Virus Corporate edition, wich is the only Virus-Scan that can track and eradicate this virus. Anyhow, check out the new 89 programming community (link above).

I was freaking joking. Anyway I would really just write a bios virus, or an html virus. I am long past changing autoexec.bat files to reformat your harddrive, using a file called "runme.exe".

PS: I don't really write anymore viruses. I am past that crap.

-WILDFIRE

Have fun hacking my linux box with your windows virus.

-JrJinfinity

O.K., I'll settle this debate once and for all - I run Windows ME (not by choice initially, though by choice now), and it DOES have a DOS prompt. It's just buried a little - it was in my Accessories folder when I got the computer, along with Wondows Explorer (probably to not confuse newbies). And even if yours is missing the icon, command.com is still there; just make a shortcut to it, and you have an instant DOS prompt (literally - before I found the one in Accessories, I made my own, and it made an MS-DOS Prompt icon insterad of a link to command.com when I did it).

Also, it is MORE stable than 98. 98 crashed on me every couple of days, and ME hasn't crashed on me once.

p.s., the QBasic thing was probably a joke

What a wonderful thing to say about all Microsoft Products, if they weren't so buggy they might be worth money.

Until then, Linux is where my 2 cents will remain.
you get a much better prompt then DOS ever could imagine...

-JrJinfinity

Why pay two cents for an os that you can legally and easily get for free?:)

Cause its nice to show a little support once in a while to the projects worth supporting...Linux.

-JrJinfinity

Windows ME doesn't have dos-promt?!?!?!?

That's not true!!

In fact i'm using ME right now. Microsoft says ME is going to be the last personal edition to rely on MS-DOS.

When I was still using win98/win2k I considered moving to MandrakeLinux but WinME is GREAT! Faster startup, system restore, Internet Conection Sharing and other stuff makes the difference! I'm running both Web/FTP-server on this machine and I've got (absolutely) no complaints except for Windows Media Player and some shitty moviemakerprogram that can't be uninstalled.

Go buy ME today! And DON'T write bad about something you haven't even tried!

Ti-Basic for the 89/92p is object oriented to an extent.

Qbasic is lame, the thought of doing anything useful in it makes me sick.

I am almost 100% shure you can run a qb interperter in windows "ME"; also I SERIOUSLY doubt that windows me will be involved in any sort of world take over.

Did you mean to write "QBasic" instead of "Windows ME" in that last sentence?

If you read the software developer's memo for Windows ME, you will see that Microsoft wants to phase out DOS by Win2002. There will be DOS EMULATION, but not a true restart to DOS mode... it will basically be THE oporating system on your computer, but since companies aren't willing to switch to a built in GUI that's better than DOS on their boards, we are stuck with it. If PC makers were smart like Apple they would do this.

I'm sorry, but Dos is the very basis for programming. A command line is the most basic way to work with a computer. Batch files started everything. GUI is a CONVENIENCE however nice it might be and however much time it saves, almost EVERYTHING done in any GUI can be done in a CLI (command line interface IE: dos) Any effort to eliminate dos will simply eliminate configurability, and stop use. I agree that windows is moving away as much as possible, but then look at Macs...if something fails, crashes, what recourse does the average user have? GUI's by nature are unstable, there is SOO much working together, that something is always likely to fail. CLI's are simple by nature. There IS NO BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH in dos, because it NEVER crashes, NOT EVER, it can only get stuck in a loop function, and even at that, the loop can be broker, and why you ask, because dos is normally(although yes, it can be otherwise) SINGLE-TASKING. that allows the user to run one thing at a time, to solve problems that can't be solved under windows

just heed my rantings....

Hear, hear!

Induhviduals claim that multitasking is based on human thought processes, but, what do we call people who "multitask"? We say they have attention deficit disorder (yes, that's ADD). Now, do we really want computers that have ADD? Yeah, GUIs are nice and easy to use, but they take too much code for their value, and consequently are much more likely to be buggy. If you actually *TRY* to crash dos, about the only way to if you're running true dos (not that dos thingie from within win9x, but reboot to dos) is to have a major hardware error.

I personally would love to go back to the days of dos, but it seems that the 6 billion induhviduals populating this condemned planet prefer GUIs.

This rant is now concluded...

eofpi and the unimatrix's 45.599850351139 CLI-based cents

So use Linux here is why:

1) You can have up to 12 virtual terminal simultaneously without ever loading a GUI.

2) The commandline syntax is much more powerful than DOS could ever dream.

3) More people will want You to work for Them at Higher rates.

any questions?

-JrJinfinity

Most of the people reading this would rather use DOS than a GUI. However, we (the people reading this) aren't most of the consumer market for computers. All the other idiots that use computers can't understand how to use command prompts. Still, DOS should remain an option for those of us who choose to use it.

ROFL! ADD, oh god, funny funny stuff.
BTW, I like Macs because they don't crash every half-an-hour. And yes, the newer Macs, not the old, ancient, archaic BOOT FROM 5" DISK programs that sort of use a CLI.

I like Macs cause they "explode" when you drop 'em off a building;)

-WILDFIRE

ARGHH!!! Do not make me/us come over there and ASSIMILATE you! Heh. BTW, PC's are a lot bigger, so logically they "explode" bigger, better and more (probably the only thing PC's are better at, other than compatibility).

P.S. The new season of Star Trek Voyager starts in 25.5 hours! YAY! Watch UPN!

Everything you say about DOS is true. But keep in mind that Windows never really needed DOS back when Windows NT came out. The autoexec.bat and config.sys files are non-existant! This also happens in Win98 but some old programs - even hardware - require a line of code in autoexec or config.sys to run. Windows(98/ME) is really copying Windows NT/2000 but there are major differences in the overall aspect. The GUI is often very stable (Windows NT/2000) and you could run a computer for a year without rebooting. It is really misunderstandings about the computer language they are using and something they didn't do right that cause Windows to fault. Go buy a book that talks about MFC(Microsoft Foundation Class) and ATL(Active Templet Layers) to understand what Windows really is and that it is NOT running DOS commands.

Apple Smart? Since when was apple smart? I think that the best digital doorstop...er..I mean...uh..apple computer Ive seen is the apple II.

Apple always was and always will be a piece of crap!

That's cause they stole the ideas from Xerox instead of being intellectually smart enough to come up with the GUI themselves.

-JrJinfinity

>"That's cause they stole the ideas from Xerox instead of being intellectually smart enough to come up with the GUI themselves."

I think apple was smart becuse:

1) They saw that the GUI had potential; Xerox did not

2) It takes brains to see and explot a good idea

Can't you see the whole point I was making is that Apple is no better than Microsoft.

Apple steals idea from Xerox, Microsoft then steals the idea from Apple.

Neither of them were original, just theives. Xerox are the guys who deserve the credit. Furthermore Bill Gates made me sick when he tried to take credit for the PC, especially since my current hardware works a hell of alot better with out any of his products on it.

-JrJinfinity

Did I also forget to mention that Apple goes after the people who buy&advertise their products too?
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/09/15/ 1433227.shtml

Sorry about that space, you all know about the 40 char limit.
another reason why Macs will never overtake Microsoft, yet linux is on track.

-JrJinfinity

If you read the history, Apple did NOT steal the GUI from Xerox- they traded a substantial amount of stock for the rights to use it, which Xerox was more than happy to take, since they had absolutely no intention of ever bringing it to market.

Also, while the Xerox GUI was revolutionary, Apple contributed many things to it that never existed before, such as the menu bar.

Dumb John Sculley and his 1985 agreement (which basically gave away all intellectual property rights to GUIs they had in return for Microsoft delaying the ship time of Excel for Windows).

Arghh, what is wrong with you people!?! PC makers have brainwashed you and turned you into mindless people who like PCs and MICROSOFT!!! Are you crazy? Snap out of it before I/we ASSIMILATE you!

Omicron and the borg collectives INFINITE cents.

Did you just use apple and smart in the same sentence without a negative word like not

Its the sarcastic tone in the sentence that you should have noticed, thereby eliminating the need for a negating word, phrase, or clause.

>> Did you just use apple and smart in the same sentence without a negative word like not


Here is a great example of how to do this without praising the Mac:
If you want to use linux more than a Macintosh, that is Smart!

Yes Macs do have a place, just not in my life any more.

-JrJinfinity

<<1. QBASIC is an iterpreted language.
>>
There is an updated version of Qbasic called Quick basic that is not interpreted, it is compiled. I have it. Email me for a copy of it. It must be downloaded off the internet, because it doesn't come with any computers. It makes it better, but it still doesn't have the power off C++ or any other true language. Qbasic was made so people that bought computers could make stuff, not for actually programming.

I think C++ is the best language. I hope to get Visual Basic soon, and that might change my view.

Yuo are insane....you most b terminated...i will destroy...hhrehehe...you.

congratulations... you clearly understood I was JOKING

I salute you

-A.T.G.

I still think you need to seek help, Anubis.

All this Qbasic talk has got me thinking. Maybe we (asm progammers) should start a ti89&92+ Qbasic emulator project (I am serious)

PS: For all you idiots who name ti operating systems *dos, dos stands for "disk operating system". Last time I opened up a ti calc, it didn't have a disk.

You obviously haven't seen any of my calcs lately then...not to mention the partially coded Linux thing on my Ti-86...guess you can't have everything, even though I almost do.

-JrJinfinity

I could stand for:
Dumb
Operating
System

Can't argue with that one.

-WILDFIRE

I? Don't you mean IT? ROFL! BTW, I'm with stupid, and this is actually his first GOOD post that makes sense.

LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND PREPARE TO BE BOARDED. ONLY 25.3 HOURS UNTIL THE SEASON PREMERE OF STAR TREK VOYAGER.
Omicron and the borg collective's INFINITE cents. And even more YEN! AH HA HA HA!

P.S. I/WE ARE NOT PSYCOTIC. THANK YOU.

or

D isasterous
O ral
S ex

I was under the impression that it was database operating system...? I don't really know, though. By the way, here is what I think of Windows/Mac/Linux/DOS:

I have always used Windows. I DO NOT like it. Microsoft merely uses the same engine and dresses it up with fancy new graphics and "faster" ways to navigate to programs. The fact is, these "faster" ways are just for convenience purposes; when you click on a shortcut, it's just that many more lines of code that the computer will have to go through to get to your file. I'm not saying that it takes any significantly greater amount of time, but Microsoft should clean up their act and decide whether they want to make an entirely GUI based OS or go back to the DOS era.

I have very rarely used Mac OS, but I can confidently say that it is far superior to anything that those idiots at Microsoft can crank out. Mac (to the best of my knowledge) is entirely GUI-based, so when there is an error, it does not hang in pseudo-GUI mode (a la blue screen of death) where it's half operating in GUI and half in CLI. Instead, Mac OS keeps its cool and just stays in GUI, notifying you of the error and telling you how to fix it (usually). Mac hardware? All of it is PNP now..... which is not necessarily a good thing. It's just that much more that your computer has to go through itself. It would be better if whoever invented PNP had decided it would be a wonderful idea to move to Greenland.

Linux? I've never used it.

DOS? I love DOS. It may be "hard" to get where you want to go compared to the Windows GUI interface, but it is absolutely the most stable operating system ever put out by Microsoft (Oh yeah! That's right! Microsoft bought it off some company nobody's ever heard of... oh well). And if anybody thinks it's harder to type "cd\progra~1\games" than to click on "My Computer, C Drive, Program Files, Games", I highly recommend suicide.

Put simply, the only reason I don't have a Mac is because there is not much software out there written for a Macintosh environment. Macsoft, you say? Blecch. They don't do very well with porting the software.

~Stephen
Just my 2(x²-(x-1)(x+1)) worth.

P.S. Hey, for all you math freaks out there, when I was bored in precalculus, I dreamed up a formula the goes like this:

If a=a positive integer, then
a²-(a-1)(a+1)=1

If a=a negative integer, then
-(a²)+(a-1)(a+1)=-1

Based on this formula, guess how many cents I put in? :-)

Ah yes... I thought up the principle of that formula about 6 years ago, in the 6th grade. It's a very quick method of squaring certain kinds of numbers in your head.

For instance: 94 squared

100 x 88 = 8800 (which is 94 + 6 times 94 - 6)
then add 6 squared to that. So 94 x 94 = 8836

QBASIC?!?!?!?!
You're crazy!
QBASIC is NOTHING compared to Assembly!
You cant program jack with it!
Even TI-basic is better!

> Even TI-basic is better!

That depends on which calc your have. TI-89 BASIC is OK but the BASIC on lesser calcs is crap.

89/92 BASIC > QBASIC > 73-86 BASIC

I don't know where asm fits in. If you want a fast program, Asm wins hands-down. Otoh, if you want a portable, easy to debug program, or if you just want to get the program written quickly, BASIC is the better choice.

All of the TI-Basic 82,82 etc. Are generally simmilar. It is just data manipulstion. The major differences are the speed at which it can run and the ability that lesser calcs can't handle strings.

Oh, the same goes for QBASIC. It is a powerful language if you know how to use it. I once wrote a bookkeeping suite in it. I am saying this with full knowledge of other languages. I know C and am learning C++. Qbasic is just good at what it does as are the TI-Basic languages. It is all Data Manipulation.

Even TI-83 BASIC is better!

http://welcome.to/DarknessEthereal

i think this site will change all QBasic haters views on what can be done in it

Well, I could port the entire San Francisco Rush series to the TI-89 TI-BASIC, but:
a) people would not want to hax0r a hard drive into their 89s, and
b) people are not fond of frame refreshes every 20 seconds.

It is not just what *can* be programmed in a given language, its how *effective* a language is at a given task. Going by the rule that a programming language is a language that can at least create its own compiler, there is no such thing as an interpreted true programming language. There are interpreted scripting languages, as well as (insert ACKPTH!*&@!#$%^& here) markup languages. Consequently, I don't use any programming languages:(, just 4 forms of TI-BASIC and HTML.

eofpi and the unimatrix's 45.599850351139 compiled and linked cents

TI-BASIC better than Qbasic?!?!?!?
Lets see you write a 256-color (or gray in the case of calcs) with transparent sprites and responsive keys in TI-BASIC.

I've seen it done, and it ran very well....

I'm in my Computer Science class right now programming GWBasic!!! It's ancient! My favorite language is TI-Basic, because I can program it whenever I want- Even on the Bus.
-Sean.