Survey posted 2003-12-08 19:35 by Joey.

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I voted for Edit3d...although this may seem strange, I've used that program for many of my classes. I had to build a boat (full size that I could fit in) out of cardboard in my physics class last semester, and then we raced our boats accross a river against about 50 other boats (This was a county-wide contest: The Great Cardboard Boat Regatta). I actually designed the boat in Edit3d before I built it and it helped a whole lot. I just think it's a great program. If you want more info about the cardboard boat races, search Google. IT's pretty interesting...some of the boats people make are REALLY strange. On another note...somehow the world has managed to end AGAIN (I beat no_one again).

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And on the note of what you wrote, I'm kind of glad to see that not everybody voted for the games, even if they may be the best time-spenders. Now, I've never used Edit3D before. Is it easy to use? I never imagined 3D construction would be easy to do on a calculator, but from what I've heard, it's a pretty good program. Maybe I should check it out.

Actually, neither of you were first. MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

-W-

Well, I didn't say I was first...I only said that I posted before the ticalc junkie who is also known as no_one...

LOL! I'll beat you next time ;-)

Is there some sort of prize for going to ticalc.org too much? :-D

Well, if being a social outcats is a prize, then yes, yes there is a prize. And I think I've won!!! Woooo Whoooo!!! Wait....I sould not be happy about this should I...?

-W-

Social outcast...sorta like loners? We should start a loner club and then because we belong in a club we won't be loners any more, and then we won't be in the loner club because we aren't loners and then because we aren't in any clubs we're loners and then we should start some kinda loner club and then...hmmm...circular reasoning...now I see why the calculator gets so confused...

Circular reasoning is great. I esp. like the Grandfather Paradox. That is my favourite. It is the reason that I believe in fate.

-W-

Is that the one where you go back in time and kill your grandfather, or you become your grandfather? (oi.. circular inbreeding, the perpetual redneck...)

There's a song I know that talks about how a man married a woman, and then his son married her mother, and so technically his wife's father-in-law's father (or his grandfather) was him...he was his own grandfather. So he could also say that he was his grandfather's grandfather, and his grandfather's grandfather's grandfather, and his grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather, etc. I believe this is the "Grandfather Paradox" he was talking about...

Ha, I think I saw that somewhere... that's really confusing. LOL

WOW! And you know what's REALLY weird? The day after you posted that, my programming teacher actually read that song to our AP Computer Science class.

I was refering to the one where you go back and kill your grandfather. Then you were never born, so you cannot possibly go back and kill him. so you don't. then he lives. Then you go back in time and kill him again. Then you are not born....

-W-

There is no paradox involved here. It's really quite simple.

1. If something was changed due to time a traveller's tinkering, we would never know the difference, because the thing that was changed would seem like it was always that way.

2. If you were born, you will never go back in time to kill your grandfather.

3. If you were not born, you are in a quantum state in which
a) you (or your parent[s]) were never conceived, or
b) you killed your grandfather.

Besides, you could just go back to a few minutes ago and kill your grandfather. No paradox or quantum *anything* there. :P

No, that still makes it a paradox. The reason it's not a paradox is because, when you go back in time and kill your grandfather, you create an alternate timeline, in which your granfather was dead and you were never concieved. In fact, you wouldn't even have to kill your grandfather, you'd just have to go back in time. "A butterfly fluttering its wings can create storms thousands of miles away," or something like that. And the air you disturbed by going back in time could cause a slight gust of wind, maybe stir up a few storms, cause your grandparents to never meet because they didn't show up at the same place, and et cetera.

Or was that what you just said? I never completely understood that.

What if you went back in time, and killed yourself?

And what if you went back in time and killed your grandfather, and then went back in time again and killed yourself before you killed your grandfather?

You believe in fate because of a hypothetical paradox?

Does anyone else think that there are a whole bunch of programs that deserve the award? There is a lot of great talent there! I give props for anyone that can create a 3D engine...my vote went to Space Dementia II. Edit 3D and Ice Hockey were high on the list as well.

yeah, i think all of those programs are worthy candidates. still, i didn't feel there was any one program that seemed to completely take the calc world by storm and which everybody had downloaded in like 2 days.
i'm not saying i'm not satisfied or appreciative. there was some awfully good effort and skill in these programs. i was really impressed with the 3d programs, too. space dementia--with fully 3d movement--is really cool. i just wish i knew someone w/ an 89 to have fun w/ the program.

New version was just released with a single player mode. The AI is hard, but I've almost figured out its logic (must play more). I still can't decide what to vote for!

You do have a week to decide. Next Monday the next survey will be posted!

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If it weren't for Xpand, I coul;d not have all the games on my V200 that I'd want to play. Since it makes it so I can play any of my favorites anytime, it gets my vote. If I had a HW2 89, my vote would be different.

you and your "Xpand." Why I ought a...

I really want to V20....

-W-

LOL, sorry buddy, but V200s [and V400s] are for big kids :P

Man, isn't that V400 cool? Man, I think I am going to get that one instead. (If only...*sighs*)

-W-

LOL, I thought angelboy would have a comment about the v400 right there. I guess I beat him. I think he's slacking... ;-)

Yeah, I tossed that in for him.

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! YOU BEAT ME!!!!!


BTW, checkout the screenshot of the V400 program I am working on. It's included in the zip file...

A little too big for the V400...

On my Voyage 200, the new version of Space Dementia II keeps on giving me address errors when I lose. It probably gives address errors when I win, too, but since I've never won, I have no idea if it does.

Don't forget Gran Tourismo. :-)

And Prince Of Persia!

And Xpand
And PolySnd...

And Super Start
And TI Pinball...



I think that is enough now...

yeah, super start, what is the advantage over ttstart? is it smaller, faster, cooler with crazy colors? because it seems the same.

-Maybe I am craze, we will never know, I am W-

I would use SS but it likes to crash my V200 when used in sync with ID. I forgot to report that...

With me there's no error on my V200 ...

I also have other TSRs installed at times.

With super start you don't have to write 'sstart(' each time ...

Ah, i can see the advantage. However, I use ID, and it puts the ttstart in there for me, so i am cool.

-W-

also, the super start decompression routine is faster than the one currently found in ttstart.

Honestly though, it is not really that big of a difference. But wait. There might be a reason after all. With ID and ttstart, all the letters are in small font. Maybe sstart will not do that.

-Hmmm....., I am W-

oh, and one other thing that i forgot :) Super Start barely uses any RAM (less than 50 bytes compared to more that 2000 bytes) to run a program (the decompression function executes fromt the FLASH memory). This means that under low memory conditions, you may be able to run some programs that would normally tell you that there is not enough free ram

Yes, this was a *very* hard decision

I agree, and I'm really excited to see which program will win. After all, this is the best programming category ;-) Also, there were a BUNCH of programs to choose from. VERY hard choice. I chose Ice Hockey because of how addicting it is. ;-) Also because I loved the NES version so much, and I thought that Fisch did a good job at making it similar (though I found a lot of differences in the gameplay, but hey, it can't be EXACTLY the same).

It wasn't for me. I have never even touched a TI-89, so I have no opinion.

MWM

About about the TI-92+ or the v200? Have you touched them? I actually touched a TI-92+, but never held one.

I've used HW1 and HW2 89's, HW1 92+, and my own HW2 V200.

Is it POSSIBLE to have an HW1 V200?

I've touched a TI-92+ as well, but haven't held one...I made a program for someone in my physics class that solved for momentum and final velocity or something like that. I never actually thought to PICK UP the huge machine...the V200 [and v400] is a [are] great improvement[s] over the 92+...much smaller...

LOL, I saw one at a skating rink... I don't know why, but it was sitting on the cashier person's desk. And they are pretty big to pick up. But I guess you don't have to, since they have that stand thing in the back.

I've HAD my own TI-92 and V200. (Although I haven't held a V400, I've touched one) Unfortunately, the V200 doesn't have a stand. And 92+'s aren't THAT much bigger than V200's, and the F1~F8 keys are in different spots, so you have to reach far to get to the F5 key that most programmers like to use. :( So I like 92+'s better.

Nope. I have seen one in a Wal-Mart once, but I have never touched one. Come to think of it, I have never seen one out of it's packaging.

MWM

About a month before I got my v200, my math teacher got out her 92+, and let me gaze upon its gloriousness!!

(This is the teacher that doesn't let me use my 83+ on her tests unless I prove it is blank. This is also the teacher that I gave TI-TestGuard to so that others can't cheat!)

Forgot to mention--I have Omnicalc and Symbolic and MirageOS and Unit Ops (although that came out after I was last in her class). And she knows this.

This teacher isn't just any teacher -- she's the State high School Teacher of the Year for 2003!!! Mrs. Dawn Jacobi, if you can find it anywhere on the Internet. My school's Honors Community also has www.honorsville.com (link).

[outburst] You GAVE her TI-TestGuard?! HOW COULD YOU? EVIL, EVIL PERSON! [/outburst]

She forgot about it the day after.