Ok, I know some people with think I'm being anal about this but, I'm pretty pissed that I can't use all of the archive of my 89 because I have hardware v.1.00. I'm thinking about selling my 89 and getting a 89 or 92+ with hardware v.2.00.
I have three questions now:

1)Would you get a 89 or a 92+? Just curious of what most people like and why

2)If I were to choose another 89, How can I tell from the box that it is Hardware v.2.00?

3)If I were to choose a 92+, does anyone know of any stores besides Staples (nearest one in 150 miles)?

Thank you for your input!!

later.
pjman

I'm sorry, that was supposed to be "nearest on IS 150 miles".

pjman

I just can't get it right!! Maybe it is time for bed? "one" not "on" . hehe

pjman

For several reasons, more games for 89, easier to carry in pocket, more supported by developers, more news, more info, more help on asm programming, more help on hardware upgrading, more inconspicuous. Sometimes teachers get suspicious when you're fiddling around with a calc only slightly smaller than their PIII 400/128meg laptop with more buttons on it than their laptop:P

Just my 3.14159 cents

If you're in high school, get the 89. It can be used on standardized tests, and looks as harmless as any other TI graphing calculator, while still providing you with the advantages of a CAS. I see a lot more people nowadays in college with 92s or 92+s, but they're used mainly for experimentation. Either way, most of the programs that come out are compatible with either.

~ferich

2) F1->About it will say TI-89 Hardware Version 2.00 at the top.

Thanks, but I was wondering how you could find out by looking at the box, before you buy it.

pjman

Odds are that any TI-89 that you buy in a box will be HW 2.00. Tip? Try to buy one online at an auction like the ones on eBay. If you want games right now, find an old one. In any case, the outside of the box will probably look the same as the TI-89 HW 1.00 (now discontinued) box.

~ferich

I lucked out and got an 89 hw 1.00 when I got mine a few months ago from Office Depot :P

oops I thought you meant dialog box

To upgrade, or not to upgrade, that is the question!!! Anyway, should I upgrade and try it out for a day, then change it back to 1.05? I strive on games, and without it, that would realy bite!!!

i think you should definitely get 2.03- it's worth taking a look at, even if for only a day (which is how long i'm keeping it on my calc). make sure you have copy of ams 1.00, and after you get tired of messing around with 2.03 you can flash it back to 1.00

HELP! I downloaded the new GraphLink software and ROM 2.03, but It won't install. It gets anywhere from 0% to 50% (about) and then gets a communication time-out. I have HW 1.00. Can anyone help me?

Depressed because I can't use my calculator till I get the new ROM installed,
programmer066

You know what I think, we should all just forget this whole ams thing. TI is being really stupid. People wouldn't buy the program developer thing unless they wanted to make programs, correct? The reason people would buy the TI-89 would be for the programs. Well, if we don't make the games with their developer, then they don't make money. We should just stick to making games, etc, for ams 1.0 and 1.5. Just don't do it. It doesn't make sense that they can make money off of what we do. The only thing we get is to pay them money for us making the cause of many of the TI-89 purchases. That's my 2 cents.

Dan

fatman, I totally agree. If you go to any Highschool in America and ask why people by any of the TI-8x or 9x series calcs over say a casio or something is because the TI's are RENOUND for their games. Ever since the legendary Zshell, TI has made loads of money because of programmers like us. If it wasn't for us, they wouldn't be who they are today, and that pisses me off that they can try to restrict us with an 8k thing. That's just stupid imo, and besides, who is actually going to buy that stupid flash sdk thing anyway? I say let's just write progs for the original hw version and screw this jacked up ams2 garbage. I mean, 384k of archive memory is fine with me. I'd rather not have an 8k limit and have 720k of just 8k programs. That's an awful waste. I think we should all mail TI and tell them how dumb they are being.

Actually, I would tend to disagree. I wouldn't say the games are the cause of TI's domination of the US market. Most of the upper-level math courses in America today require a graphing calculator. The fact is, TI is widely standard across the country, with a lot of teacher-training seminars using TI equipment. Games come next. ticalc.org (and other TI-calculator sites) are popular because of this standardization, not vice-versa.

~ferich

If TI really wanted to be an SOB about it, it would relase ONLY 2.03 on the new calcs, wouldn't let you downgrade to 1.00 or 1.05, and then force every asm programmer to use the new several hundred dollar SDK if they want to make programs for it. They could also very easily encode the operating system to thwart any dissassembly and use hard wired ROM to decode it. Now wouldn't THAT suck! However, ti has been fairly peaceful with amature (sp?) programmers in the past, but it IS a company in a capitalist nation...
(sorry 'bout the length.)

Yeah, if you have a HW2 TI-89, you can downgrade to 1.05 but not 1.00.

If I wanted to be a jerk, then I would announce a new ROM version that would magically make your memory grow, and then have it not work, and I would put an 8k limit on ASM programs (can you imagine that??) and make it so grayscale doesn't work any more in this new version. _That_ would really stink.

Nick Chaves

In all considerations, I think it might even better benifit the TI community if people completely re-wrote the OS... Pull the same thing Linus did, and say, "We don't need your stinking O.S." Of course, all this requires someone who knows _LOTS_ about the processor and specificly the TI-89 implimentation... Basicly just think about it... if TI can totally rewrite their OS, why can't we rewrite it for us... No more problems with 8k limits (we wouldn't put it there) and if it's possible to fix the archive bug in HW1, then SOMEONE will figure it out. Now, as for doing all this, I couldn't do it, (could, and somewhat HAVE for TI-86 emulators, but that's not a TI-89) but I'm sure there are people out there who could, if the means presented themselves.

The only problem with your statement is the fact that TI-89s are not standard equipment on a desktop like the x86 computer is today. Maybe once that happens (which won't), you can think about having your custom OS.

~ferich
"Didn't this topic come up before several months ago?"

it's impossible to write a new os for the 89- you can't flash the rom without a correct checksum on the rom file- and only ti can provide the right encrypted checksum