> Have fun when programming. Don't program because you think you must. Find enjoyment in the actual programming, not just in the finished program or game.

I agree. Don't lose hope when you've been degubbing for the past eight hours; just come back to it tomorrow or next week. Sometimes it helps to print out a section of code that's been giving you the most trouble.

> just come back to it tomorrow or next week.

Or continue debugging for another 4 hours. Many times, I've found, I suddenly see something obviously wrong with the code, (i.e. unconditional jumps...err...) and, upon fixing it, the program moves forward. Persistance is the key to programming.

Usually, if I've been debugging for 4 hours, it's time to go to sleep.

Yeah, if you've been coding or debugging for that long, it's probably better to stop and come back later.

I dunno... I've once debugged for 23 hours straight just to find a bug, and I was looking in the wrong program :x but I made the code better :D

:D point and laugh.
I spent 5 months looking for a bug only to find that TI-83+ ASM progs couldn't execute past $c000. :/

*bites tongue*

Which is one of the first things most tutorials tell you.

hehehe

(yeah bugs in programs we are making are always stupid mistakes, I dunno why :D )

I generally program for no longer than 2 hours without a break (mainly because of parental limitations)

I know what you mean...

One of my most common mistakes when writing code while tired is to put in a loop, but forget to increment the pointer/counter/whatever so the program freezes, and I spend way too much time going through the whole thing in VTI until I figure out it was a stupid mistake on my part.

"[...] the people who have anything interesting to say don't say them in forums because they're just full of ****sh**."
What could the "****sh**" mean?

Um...think "BS".

Duckshoe :)

as cool as Jimmy is, I think that is sort of rude to places like UnitedTI, which has a lot of interesting people, who say interesting things

I agree. How does he even know? He visits the boards just once a month.

You can't blame someone for making that assumption about forums, when 99% forums ARE indeed duckshoe.

Jimmy is my hero.

I knew I'd see you here.

Jimmy is also my hero =)

But why is the header 'Interview with Joe Wingbermuehle'?

Oh the trouble cut/paste can get you into....

>> How do you type å?

Simple: Option-A
Capital: Option-Shift-A

?

On Windows:
Hold down the alt key while typing the numbers on the number pad, and have your Num Lock key on...

Å-Alt+0197
å-Alt+0229

I mostly use:
ß-Alt+0223
ä-Alt+0228
ö-Alt+0246
ü-Alt+0252
Ä-Alt+0196
Ö-Alt+0214
Ü-Alt+0220

Maybe I should remap my keyboard... ☺

But (read my account profile) I don't use Windows.

And for good reason too, I'm sure. Just being thorough.

Oh no! I just fixed that.

Probably no one here realizes that I have to make these tables by hand, copying and pasting interview responses, then some more HTML code, then my next question, then more HTML code, et cetera. It takes a while to do.

No, I didn't realize that. I thought there was a template or something...

There is for most static pages on the site, but news articles do not.

Perhaps you should look into using m4 to create HTML for articles. Then everything but the writing could be automated.

M4, save you time?

I mean, yeah, I like M4 too, but seriously... what sane person would actually want to use it?

It would save time after you finish learning how to use it. A week (more? less? I don't know how to use m4) spent to save a few hours total. Fair bargain.

Ah, the FUN way of coding HTML. :D I prefer to do it that way myself, rather than an editor. I like knowing exactly what's in my code.

I <3 coding in Notepad. No stupid Frontpage for moi. :P

Vim is far superior. I suggest you try it. You'll find that you can write much faster. You'll probably start using it for ASM as well as HTML.

I used VIM for about five seconds. Then I realized I couldn't use HOME or END, and you couldn't delete the new line character at the end of a line. Not without special key commands.
F*** that. Notepad2.

Yeah, the main reason why I use Vim as little as possible for coding is that copying/pasting is hard, and you can't move around blocks of text (as far as I know), which I do a lot in my programs. I use cooledit instead - syntax highlighting, a menu option to run gcc on the open file, etc.

To move blocks of text: Shift-V will insert visual line mode, and then hit up/down to select a block of text, then hit d. Move where you want to put that block, and then hit p or shift-P (p puts it after the current line, shift-P) before.

And going to grandparent post:

> Then I realized I couldn't use HOME or END, and you couldn't delete the new line character at the end of a line.

It works fine in my gvim installation here. Put the following line:

set backspace=indent,eol,start

in your _vimrc/.vimrc. In windows, put this in C:\Documents and Settings\<username>

For example, my file is C:\Documents and Settings\Jason\_vimrc. Note this Windows only. Linux will of course have it as .vimrc in your home directory.

Vim is not bad, and I also find it useful for C. I would either Vim or Wordpad over Notepad because of their more advanced formatting capabilities, but end up defaulting back to Notepad because Vim leaves temporary files all over the place (it's supposed to delete them but doesn't a lot of the time) and Wordpad has the annoying quirk of not supporting spaces in directory names. Of course, on one of my computers, Notepad has the tendency to crash upon an attempt to save when TiLEm is running, so it's a no-win situation for me in any case.

screw notepad....cant interpret *nix line breaks correctly. Use WordPad if I have to. otherwise simpleText, ScriptEditor or XCode

Yeah. One annoying thing about Notepad is that it doesn't know how to do line breaking correctly at all. For instance, if you're typing, most of the time when you hit ctrl-s for save, the cursor will reposition itself to some seemingly arbitrary place.

Yeah, I've noticed that too. I think it has to do with the position of the mouse cursor on the document, because I've noticed that most of the time, the cursor moves to the line that the mouse cursor is on.

int SaveFile(char *name)
{
CursorPosition=rand();
return OK;
}

I used to have a lot of bones to pick with Notepad. It's especially buggy when writing long files. You would think it shouldn't be that difficult to make a program as simple as Notepad work properly and support files larger than 64K.

It's because of a limitation in the Win32 textbox control. A Win32 textbox used to only be able to buffer 64K.

> Vim leaves temporary files all over the place (it's supposed to delete them but doesn't a lot of the time)

Emacs does that (creates backups, not temps tho), but you can set it to put them all in one directory. I like it that way. Plus, emacs has a psychiatrist built in if you are tearing your hair out over that one Protected Memory Violation.

heh… I write my HTML in XCode. jEdit is too slow and ugly.

FrontPage has some advantages - the ability to edit/save files straight to a server is excellent (some apps emulate this through FTP but it tends to be horribly clunky and unreliable - especially on our hosting where the FTP connection gets closed every 240 seconds).
But yes, the WYSIWYG part of it is lousy, and it has a nasty habit of rewriting your PHP code for you when you least expect it. If only there was a free way to edit PHP from within VS2005 (or even better to switch to ASP.NET entirely... *sighs*)

>>But yes, the WYSIWYG part of it is lousy

I don't know about that... frontpage is /so/ good at keeping track of z-indexes and making autoshapes cross-browser-compatible :p

So is CSS...

Same here. No extra tags or properties or other stuff you don't need sitting all over the place.