I would like to point out that they clearly state that ALL data, including Apps, will be erased, so make SURE you do a COMPLETE backup before upgrading!

I'll update later today when I have enough time to spend 10 minutes backing up, however long to upgrade the AMS, and however long to restore the backup...

If this is the case, I won't update until I have to. I don't use this presentation thingie, so the update would be of no use for me.

I think it's mostly just teachers and maybe mathematicions who use the presentation feature. It's an easy way to show the slower students exactly what to do.
It's amazing how many people know so little about their calculators. I don't know how some of them managed to pass Trig. :(

Hmmm... I just upgraded to 3.01, and the only things missing are the flash applications I had installed. All archived programs/variables remained.

I coulda' told ya' that. Installing a new OS rarely erases the archive (unless you're going from like 2.05 to 2.09), but since Flash apps are somehow oddly integrated into the OS, they are erased.

I've just upgraded. Everything stayed except for the flash apps. None of my archived programs were erased.

I love bigger numbers. For example; AMS 3.01, rather than 3.00. :)

Heh, once again I get the news before ticalc.org does. Just the other day I connected a V200 to put an APP back on and noticed the OS was old so I just installed 3.01 onto it. I didn't realise it was even news until today.
***Has anyone made ROM dumpers for the 84+/&/SE and 89Ti V200 ?

TTry TILP. The only problem is you can't use the direct USB cable that comes with the 84+/SE or 89T. The Silver Link will work. Make sure to download the driver from LPG

I didn't realise TiLP need GTK Runtime Enviroment. Can't they just use something common like Java or C++?

First of all, C++ is not an alternative to GTK, it is an alternative to C, but you still need need something for the graphical interface. You might equate C++=MFC, but that's the case only in the M$ world (and even there not always). MFC doesn't work on anything other than Windows, and doesn't compile with anything other than VC++. That's unusable for a portable application.

As for Java, it includes Swing which is at least the same type of software as GTK is, but how is Swing any better than GTK??? It's also a non-native interface, it also has to be installed separately, it isn't any faster. And Swing is proprietary whereas GTK is Free Software. I really can't see any advantage for Swing over GTK.

Now, Java with SWT or C++ with wxWidgets might me an interesting alternative (they are portable wrappers around native widgets), but there are reasons for using GTK over such wrappers.

<<You might equate C++=MFC>>

It's more like GTK=MFC

The MFC are the Microsoft Foundation Classes, they aren't a language. As GTK is a graphical environment, and the MFC has graphical environment classes, the equivalence would be closer between them than the MFC would be to the C++ language.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but that's exactly my point! It is a big mistake to think that C++=MFC, you can just as well use C++ with GTK--, for example.

Sorry, I was confused by the form of "you" you were using. The "you" was second-person single, and I interpreted second-person plural. English is so annoying, in Russian (and many other European languges) they have separate words for the second-person single and second-person plural "you".

Actually English also has/had 2 different pronouns for 'you'.
thou=(fr)tu= you singular familiar
you=(fr)vous= you singular formal or you plural

Indeed. It is because of the excessive courtesy of the British aristocracy that the "thou" form got lost, leading to the current mess.

Who made english anyway ????
so little words
so many meanings
its not fun at all
good thing we have math to comunicate

(please forgive my mispelling any words its the languages fault not mine)

Get the GIMP, which I have in the link here. It'll install the newest version of the GTK+ for Windows when you install it.

OK, I upgraded.

Things I noted:

a) Yes, it does clear all memory, apps+archive included, so make sure you do a complete backup. Note if you use tilp's backup function, your apps will not be backed up. I learned this the hard way. Though, if you do get in the same fix I did, just make sure you register your Titanium @ education.ti.com, and you will get a download link for cellsheet. The rest of the bundled apps are free for the download from ti, so you should be good there.

b) The 2nd+left+right+on to reset ram sequence seems to be almost instantaneous now, rather then having to wait a minute. I did not completely test this, and it may just be because my calc had just reset, though I did do it even after loading a few apps on the calc.

c) The version number is now 3.01, rather then 3.00 ;)

Those were the only things I noted...I imagine they have also fixed a few miscellaneous bugs between the old date on the about screen (sometime March 2004), and the 3.01 date(10/7/2004).

<<it may just be because my calc had just reset, though I did do it even after loading a few apps on the calc.>>
The time taken increase significantly with the size and the number of the Flash Apps installed.

It's more directly related to how many OS hooks and functions the Apps use than the sizes and number of Apps themselves.

Hmm, I just did a test reset again, to see if you are correct...

I have several apps installed: Calculus tools, calendar, cellsheet, contacts, finance, notefolio, our world, planner, poly root finder, simult equ solver, stat/list editor, studycards, sstart, smg, and tasks.

I also have several miscellaneous games/programs loaded into archive.

This time, after 2nd+left+right+on, the initializing screen blinked by almost faster then I could see it. Even with just the preloaded apps on, right out of the box, AMS 3.00 takes upwards of a minute to run through this screen. I do not think just the number of hooks explain it, as the stat/list editor has quite a few, and it was still instantaneous - a far cry from the minute of 3.00...

As far as I can tell, there is a definite improvement in this area...

As far as I can tell from my upgrade, when the calc resets the screen will flash, display the app screen, and then have a standard progress bar at the bottom for any remaining issues.

Sorry how i can reset the ti89 titanium?
I have tried to push 2nd+left+right+on but none happen :(

Sorry for my eng :)

Bye

Yeah, and what's the sequence for the v200?

Kova Kova: try also to remove a battery.
CajunLuke: Hand + 2nd + ON for the V200.