noooooooooooooo! that was the name for my current project. oh, maybe i can convince Olivier to change his program to X11R6 or X Calc or something, since it's graphical (can't wait to try it though). My shell is command line, btw, so maybe I could translate his (I speak french) and he could translate mine (i don't speak french _that_ well) and we could bundle them together as Red Cap Tinux!! Yeah!!!

Good and thoughtfull comments come few and far between on these comment-boards, however, sir, you have yourself a good idea there. And feasable, to boot. If your idea was to work out, I think it'd really give those 89 users something to think about when they scoff at the "lesser" 86's, oh yeah, BRING IT ON! Please don't flame me 89 users, I was making a satire on how the 89 is more advanced than the 86 but we manage to get a more advanced OS. Go figure.

Prosit.

--BlueCalx

Oh Nick, ours features multitasking of sorts too ;)

Oh, and also keep this in mind. The 86 is less advanced as the 89, I think it's quite an acomplishment that this guy made such an advanced shell on a not-so advanced calculator.

PROSIT SUCKS.... MY CALC FREEZES EVERY TIME I RuN IT AnD IT DOESn'T SHOW ALL OF MY ASM PROGRAMS... ONLY THE SORRY ONES WRITTEN FOR PROSIT

so your saying that the 86 users wasted their time

Ein Prosit.
Note: Use Babelfish If you would like to know what it means. It's in German.

I think it was totally inapproprate for Nick to post his "Completely Unrelated Update" about the requests record being broken. Its nice that this site got so many requests last week, but who cares? We don't need an update each time a particular record has been broken. And the fact this wasn't made into its own news item simply implys that this wasn't that important to announce, so it was just stuck under the last news item. How lame.

Yes, but recently there have been several news items in regard to records being broken. I don't think it really needs its own news item, but it certainly deserves being announced in some form or another. Also notice that you are the first person to comment on it. Nobody else had a problem with it. Why should you?

~ferich

I had a problem with it. I just didn't have time to respond to it yet. I think ticalc.org should create its own "Records Page" that will display and update on all the record breaking items.

Something like that already exists -- see "Site History" under About.

Chris

No, I mean an acitve Stats page that displays everything about anything. How many people are on. How manys hits you got that hour, days, week months. Everything!

Yeah, thats a great way to put that new CPU to good use. It should be updated to the second too. And if it requires the message board to be only updated every 30 minutes, so be it -- relaying the latest stats to the users is more important. :)

Nick _just_ added it like a few hours ago, what do you mean I'm the first one to make a comment on it?

Knowing your average reaction time from past experiences, you tend to disagree with things not more than an hour, maybe an hour and a half, tops. :)

~ferich

No, you said that no one else had posted a comment saying they had a problem with it yet. Only an hour or two had gone by, do you think everyone is supposed to reload this page and post their comments in that time span? I think not.

True, but you were still the first one to point it out. :)

~ferich

I would have been first, but I had to go somewhere so I didn't have time to do it :(

So what?

This is one of the few times that I do agree with Rabeler. Nick IS damn good at posting off topic. I really dont think anyone cares that you guys got however many of requests. *~*~*

Isn't the site to help other people, and not to make Nick feel good?*~*~*

He's probably one of what, 5 people that even care how many damn requests you get. Any idiot can subtract, so you didn't need to put "about 15,000 less".

And what's up with the "--BlueCalx" at the end of all your posts? I mean it's getting kind of old.

--Racko

I find it highly ironic that you put "--Racko" at the end of that post. Was that intentional? :)

--BlueCalx

Yes Nick, it was intentional.

I find it ironic that you always try to change the subject when you in hot water.

I don't find it ironic.. it's human nature.

Lying is human nature too, does that mean is ok?

Actually, your reply was inconsistent with logic. If you were following Adam's train of thought, you shold have responded with "Lying is human nature too, does that mean it's ironic?" He never said anything about the ethical status of posting off-topic. :)

~ferich
--I find it ironic that I ended my comment with "~ferich"...

My original comment about Nick being in hot water was more or less along the lines of a joke, I was not trying to follow the rules of strict logic.

Gotcha...thanks. I'll try to keep that in mind when reading all your other posts.

~ferich

Good, you've finally realized that people are not always trying to be serious.

roflmfao at this entire topic chain

snowball
i wonder if we can get a thread somewhere on this page to be so small that it's only 1 character wide???

why not try?

Why not?

So every comment you make about ticalc.org's unprofessionality, I should take that as a joke instead? You mean you've been joking all the time? Sheesh! If only you'd have told me! :P

~ferich

Did I say that?

Go back and read the discussion; you did say that.

I never said everything I've said was a joke. I said one comment I made above was a joke.

This thread is off topic. You are posting.
Yes, I'm posting off topic too, but frankly I don't care.

Oh, and --Racko, I suppose it could be biting sarcasm, but then again I could just be giving you way too much credit. You happen to have a signature also. It's standard procedure to end a message with one. It doesn't get old.

--toral

This thread is not off-topic. Nick posted some little off-topic message referring to some record being broken about the requests, and I simply responded with my opinion that it was unprofessional.

when I said that it was getting old, I was referring to the BlueCalx part of it, why the hell doesn't he use his real name?

Does it say "Racko" on your birth certificate?

No, actually it says: Rackford Jaymz Smith

You forgot he was being sarcastic. Even a Tuba Man picked up on that joke.

LOL

~<default signature>

Because my name is seen right above this comment. For the unknowledgable, my real name is Nick Disabato. :P

--BlueCalx

Yes Nick, we can see that. I don't end with my IRC nick, I use my real name.

OK, I lied I do use my IRC nick to end sometimes, which is actually my real name also.

--Racko

Nick's handle on IRC is "BlueCalx". Using it, I assume, makes him feel cool or something like that..

And yours is Snowballs. I don't criticize you for using that nickname; there's no reason why you should make fun of me.

--BlueCalx

I didn't make fun of you.

hehe, snowballs........Ahem.

--YellowSnow

Dude, you don't have to fight in public. Fight over emails or icq or irc. I am coming here to find out stuff about Tinux, not wanting to watch people fight about completely unrelated things. So please, stop fighting here.

Dude, nobody asked you. Stay out of it.

Dude

--Dude

Ferich

~ferich

lmfao again

Jon

--Kaxman

Bryan, what's it to you anymore? Most of us don't mind seeing some extra stats, and it hardly classifies as "unprofessional." Pointing out every little thing that was different from the way you did it in the comment boards is lame.

Would you like ticalc.org to display the number of requests they got in the last hour on the front page in bright red flashing lights? I bet that would make Nick's self-esteem go through the roof.

So that would make hit counters "unprofessional" also? The ones with pictures increase the loading time and most people put them in the weirdest places. Just my 2 cents.

A hit counter on the top of the front page in bright red flashing lights would be unprofessional for this site, yes.

>Most of us don't mind seeing some extra stats

So now you speak for everyone do you? I'm with Bryan. :)

What's "unprofessional" about this page is the members of it coming in here and fighting. Web stats aren't unprofessional, just when the people who run the site come in here to make a fool of themselves is unprofessional. Fight in your own place... make a board strictly for fighting or something.

Actually, if you're just tuning in, Bryan is no longer on the staff at ticalc.org.

But he does tend to make a fool of himself... :P

~ferich

No actually, if you're just tuning in, Nick is the one thats making a fool of himself.

Bryan just hawks the message board looking to bicker with the staff here.

And you hawk the message boards to bicker with me?

No. I just hawk the message boards trying to illustrate everything clearly for the same unknowledgeable sector that Nick was referring to. Every once in a while I also throw in a truly intelligent comment or answer someone's question. That's all.

>And you hawk the message boards to bicker with me?

Actually, TI-Calc.org is lucky to have you, Bryan. Programmers and calc-nuts would come here regardless, but you've managed to hook all the Jerry Springer fans as well. :P

ha

LOL

As I recall, you were removed from ticalc.org's staff a while back bryan. May I recommend moving on with your life?

What does this thread have to do with that?

Absolutely nothing. He needed something to fire at you and that was all he had.

>May I recommend moving on with your life?

Ditto to you Bro.

Yeah, I know we've been posting the new stats pretty often; this has been an unusually successful season in terms of traffic, and we're quite proud of these milestones.

Partly it's an ego thing for us, but without you guys we wouldn't be as popular as we are.

And lest anyone forget, all of us on staff put a lot of time into this site, and we don't get paid for it. Measuring the popularity of the site is one of the few obvious rewards we get out of it. Is this really worth complaining about? It comes across as pretty selfish to me.

I'll recommend that we don't post any more stats updates until the end of the boom season, but please chill out.

Chris

Amen.

Chris, you know just as well as I do, that counting the number of requests can paint an inaccurate and misleading picture about your traffic. My front page has at least 4 screenshots on it right now, thus increasing the number of requests each time the front page is loaded.

Also note that since the "overhaul", you've added the orange icon to the comment boards, thus increasing the number of requests for each load of a comment board page.

I'm not going to take time to point every little thing out, but you see that without much trouble, you can tilt the scale to your side fairly easily.

And Chris, please don't tell me to chill out. I've lost just about all credibility in you after I found out you posted the "real reasons" why I was fired to the internal mailing list after the deed was done.

I thought that was totally unfair of Chris to do that. Bryan didn't the chance to post his story except on his own web site :(

--"BlueCalx" -what does it mean?

Bryan:
1) All statistics are misleading when you do not know what they are about. If you know what a request is, then it is in no way misleading. We always say requests, not "requests for front page" or "visits" which would mean something different. I don't see the problem.

2) Unless you have completely broken the configuration of your browser, that image will be downloaded *once* the *first* time you open a comment page. After that, the magic of local or proxy cache kicks in. And one request for each person hitting the comment board the first time really makes no difference in this situation.

3) Again, statistics can *always* be tilted in any direction you want. Therefor, we provide *raw numbers*. Feel free to go to our webstats page (in the About section), and find out yourself.


Oh yeah, and I agree on us maybe posting a little too often about records being broken. We should revise our policy on that. But it *is* nice for us that your projections for eternal failure has not (yet, at least) come true.

Well I went to the web stats page, and I see the individual file report has been taken off. Thus its hard to say how many times those little icons have been downloaded. And depending on the browers configuration, those icons may or may not be downloaded each time. It all depends.

Oh and Magnus - just last night your file archives posted a TI-86 Assembly Math Program that was really a TI-BASIC program. Sure, we all make mistakes, but come on now... I think we are going downhill.

1) Requests are the best way to accuratly gauge overall server traffic on a site because it represents how many files were downloaded from a particular server. I think the only problem with this is that most sites on the internet use a request of the front page (a Web counter) to gauge how many users view the front page of a site. This is more inaccurate in terms of how much traffic the site generates in terms of the entire site, because only the front page gets counted and all the other sites are left out of the count, but it would be more accurate in terms of how Ticalc.org stacks against it's competition Vs Home Page Traffic.

2)Magnus is dead on correct on the request count for the pictures. If your browser has a cache Enabled, and it is sizable enough, the image would be downloaded once. Even if your cache was completely disabled (everything set to 0 KB), the image would be downloaded once per page call, so if a comment board had 10 or 200 posts in it, the orange image would be downloaded once.

3)See 1.

As for record posting, I agree that it dosen't have to be posted on a weekly basis, just possibly once a month with the Program of the month award or something.

Also, if my memory serves correctly, the page looked exactly like it did last week, so if the requests record were broken for the week, it would mean that the page was getting more traffic that the previous record week (which was last week). Also keep in mind that this week Ticalc.org was the only place where the Ti-83+ Vs the Ti-community Argument was going on. I was checking it hourly, and I can guess half of the Ti-community was doing the same.

If your browser's cache is set to 0 KB, sure - the image will be downloaded once no matter how many comments are on the page. But restart the brower, and its downloaded again. :) It all depends on how your browser is configured.

Oh well, no use in arguing this into the ground.

Rabeler, what's your problem? I swear, there's been upwards of 15 posts devoted to nothing more than useless bickering between you and the rest of the ti-calc staff about completely irrelevant issues that you had the nerve to complain about.

So WHAT if the stats aren't accurate. Ti-calc.org isn't competing for some sort of record for the most sight traffic with the rest of the Net. If the admins of ti-calc get a rise out of posting broken records every week or two, than so be it! It isn't unprofessional action, as you like to put it.

I HAD respect for you at one point, but that time has long passed. You come across as an ill-tempered child, pouting over the loss of something he once enjoyed. Your attempt to annoy the members of ti-calc.org has only served to prove your own immaturity.

KnightRT

Hey, I simply thought it was unprofessional for them to do so, and I stated my opinion.

And the fact they care so much about their stats (ie - they post about them once every 2 weeks), makes me wonder if they really are in some kind of competition.

They should care less about the stats and more about the quality of their site.

With all your posts about the overall unprofessionality and crappiness of this site, I sometimes think that I'm the only one who really appreciates this site. Am I really the only one? Is Bryan absolutely right about ticalc.org? Tell me.

~ferich

You know just as well as I do, there are people on both sides of the issue.

Note how this idiot spells it ti-calc.org.

--Racko

Excuse me? I'm an idiot because I used an extra hyphen in my post? Was it too hard for your pea-brain to figure out that ti-calc staff members are the same as ticalc staff members?

I have found spelling errors in many documents written by very intelligent people, much more intelligent than you.
Should I write letters to these authors in which I call them all idiots for not thoroughly proofreading their works, "Racko"?

FYI, my name really is Racko, and a multiple spelling error is half retarded, because at the top of the website, it says "ticalc.org"

How old are you again? Under 20 I'll bet. You do NOT screw with me, or you WILL die.

And no you should not write to anyone, because you are the only one that i found to have 3 or 4 misspellings in your post because you fail to notice the top of the website.

Ok, Mr. Grammar, you've got little room to talk...

>OK, I lied I do use my IRC nick to end sometimes, which is /actually my real name also/.

You could have included 'actually' or 'also', but using both was unnecessary.

>Unauthorized use of anything

This is at the bottom of your website... could you translate what the h3ll this means? Maybe you should try 'Use of anything is unauthorized'.

Also.. someone visit Racko's site. On his main page, when you first enter his site, he misspells his own name twice. Of course, I could be wrong - is there someone named 'Rocko' helping you with your site?

>Racko destroys his TI-86, while in the middle of upgrading...
>Rocko decides that he is going to buy the TI-83 Plus from his school

When it comes to spelling errors, we all make 'em. You can't even spell your own name correctly. :P

P.S.-
>You do NOT screw with me, or you WILL die
Umm.. don't be such a twit. No one's gonna die for insulting the almightly Rocko.. oops.. Racko.

No, actually me and Rocko are brothers, so therefore I did not misspell my own name. I have every right to word the stuff on my website any goddamn way i choose. So I made ONE mistake, I only corrected ONE person for spelling. And if you click "Members" on my site, you will see that I have Rocko helping me with it.

Odd how you take huge offense to someone correcting YOU, but you have no trouble at all dishing it out to other people. You're such a hypocrite, I wonder why I even bother. (And YES, I'm well aware that my previous sentence is a comma splice)

KnightRT

Excuse me? Huge offense, I only corrected someone for spelling, not freakin' grammar. You have a good point actually, why do you even bother? I really dont give a damn if your sentence is a comma splice or not. Frankly I don't care what you think. (And YES I'm well aware that it does look like i care) I was just trying to make a goddamn point. And God knows that you are an immature little faggot.

>I really dont care

Speaking of spelling, "don't" has an apostrophe. I also can't help laughing at the irony of the words "immature little faggot". If I have ever anything inherently immature, it's calling someone else a "faggot".

And what, exactly, is your "goddamn point"?

Ok.. I did check out your "Members" section.

I also saw your lovely 'dislike' lists. Nick's last name is spelled 'Disabato', not 'Desibato' or 'Desibado'.

Might wanna correct that one, so any visitors know *exactly* who you don't like. I know I cared. :P

We intentionally spelled it that way, it dowsn't do any harm. And we know how to set up a frames webpage correctly, unlike you. Your left frame page wasn't found.

ticalc.org is usually pretty consistant about the spelling of their name. No where on this site will you see them refering to themselves as "ti-calc.org", "TiCalc.Org", or any other possibility. It's always been "ticalc.org". Is it too much to ask to spell someone's name right? :)

<sarcasm> Let's shoot him! This added hyphen is a disgrace to humanity. We should try him for war crimes </sarcasm>

Rockford, you have two choices: get better or stop sucking

OK, my name is Rackford, not Rockford, and it's pretty damn hard to stop sucking when i never started.

Wait, were not supposed to be paying you guys?!?!

NICK! I need to see you!

bwahahaha! That was hilarious. I can imagine Nick joking with you about that. :) Good one.

BTW--(to all)I think Nick was right to tag the stats on the last news item instead of posting a new news item. Whether or not the stats were newsworthy is not debatable to me--he's a news editor the same as I am, and he decided to post them, so that's good enough for me. Skip that paragraph if you don't like it.

Just because he's a news editor doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants.

Still, I don't know of anyone who emails the New York Times telling them to reduce the font of their title so they have more room to see the other articles... and still, I'm sure the Times has it so large because they're proud of their paper. I think Nick has a right to post stats on the front of his page, even if some people do object to it.

I'm sure the NY Times gets suggestions all the time about their layout.

You are confusing the issue here. The NY Times doesn't print the # of subscriptions they have each day on the front page of their paper.

And sure, Nick can do whatever he wants. All I was saying is that I thought it was unprofessional.

Actually, it does. What the hell are you going to do about it?