I grow tired of this game. First ION was made to be a shell for the 83 and 83+. Most people who have a 83 use SOS because of its durbilty and more games. ION was made for both but works best on the 83+. ION is one of 2 shells for the 83+ it is the best by far. I am getting a little tired of programers pulling the gamers chains. "Im quitting" "People keep flaming me" "Im sick of 83+ users" are some often used comments. Fine it is YOUR choice if you want not to make 83+ ION games, but just make up your mind and STOP playing word games. Most programmers don't fuss like JOE and Jason. THey quietly make their games AND WORK OUT ALL THE BUGS BEFORE RELEASING IT TO THE WORLD! Others (im not naming names) make their programs and spit them out on a daily basis! Now we must ask ourselves a question, do we want quanity or quality? What im trying to say is if your done making 83+ games, tehn fine leave don't sit there holding the ti gamers out on a string. Resign and leave its very simple. If you quit your job you do not come back the next day to your boss saying "well im not sure i wanted to quit give me a while to think it over!" HE WOULD FIRE YOU!
Well thats my two cents

WARHAWK

didn't you just say the same thing on TCPA?

Are you inferring that no betas should ever be released, and only final versions? If that is true you'd never have seen Mario for the TI-83, nor Street Fighter 2 for the 89, nor just about 50 other games that are awesome but "not complete" or "buggy"

Most games will never be completed, and many will remain buggy for the rest of their existence, but saying that programmers should only release perfect games is pointless.

If you can make a flawless pong game... I'd have to commend you, especially with all this going on about the v1.05 rom for the 89. I just learned a bunch of stuff for v1.00 and they switch over, so now I have to figure it all out again!!! Programming isn't that easy, and all programs are bound to have some bugs!!!

L8ters all

Trailblazer

Read my whole submission before you critize me please

I did read your whole submission.

What should programmers do instead of releasing new betas every other day? You can't expect a programmer to only release only one version of a game, and have it be completely bug-free. Very rarely are first releases bug-free.

Plus, its hard to keep working on a project for a long time without getting user feedback and suggestions. It's helpful for the programmer to release the game and see what people think, and then go back and improve it.

This isn't like the PC gaming industry, where games are released relatively bug-free, and then everyone goes and gets the same version and thats it.

In the PC gaming industry, LOTS of games are released riddled with bugs. Any first-person shooters by id Software instantly come to mind.

--BlueCalx

Not as many bugs that are in TI-calculator games. ID Software and other companies didn't ship games like Doom II, Quake II, etc. that crashed the second you ran them.

You have to admit, the level of quality in the PC gaming industry is much higher than for graphing calculators (with respect to bugs).

That's probably the best comment I've ever seen on TICALC.ORG. Everyone should shut up now because he just wrapped it up and said what needed to be said. Don't sit here and leave us on a string, just say I quit or don't say anything at all. When you're a programmer, you're going to get some people who don't like what you made. Now Ahmed and Sam, because of those two stupid losers, you shouldn't be doing this to everyone. Don't waste your time announcing "I'm tired of people flaming me.. So I'm just not gonna let anyone port my games..." ARGH

Brent

Sam and Ahmed can do whatever they please. They have no obligation to the TI community. They do what they do as a service, and we should all be greatful for that.

For once, I agree with you.

Do I have to keep on saying shutup to everyone who starts insulting someone. If you have that kind of attitude about it why don't you port. So shutup, just shut the hell up.

P.S. Read my other comments, some of those are to you too (the insulting ones) :-(

Your little analogy about the boss firing you would NOT WORK. When you work, you get paid... these programmers are NOT getting paid!!! You think that you can order these guys around, I personally don't know WHY ANY programmers would keep making stuff for the 83+ with the way they are being treated.

With thew few programmers around, they are like gold, and should be treated with respect! Once I finish learning asm (hopefully very quickly with my C/C++ knowledge) I will see how you non-programming flamers are treating us.

WE ARE NOT FACTORY WORKERS!!! We aren't paid, we have NO incentive for making games, and if things continue as they are, I will doubtfully release my games to the public, and only pass them out to friends, and other people I know online.

When you have to start paying for games, I'm talking $15-30 per game like on the game boy, then you can tell those programmers off and complain, but since these programs are free, you'd better watch your mouths before all the good programmers stop programming for your

MaCiNtOsH Calcs (I.E. TI-83+'s which are basically sucky calcs even though they are powerful... like the G3:)

First you have your whole argument centered around the statement "We are not paid" Second you are a classic example of what I am talking about. See by threating us never to release your games you are playing mind games. "WE ARE NOT FACTORY WORKERS!!! " To this statement I have to say then why do you act like one? Anyone else who wants to respond to my comment please read my post more open minded. It has double meaning!

Fine:) No more mind games, you will never see a game from me on the internet.

I.E. I quit

That's right, neither Sam or Ahmed have received a single cent for their TI games. You can't make them stay and make games for you. They do what they do as a service, and you should be grateful for that.

I don't think Sam or Ahmed meant this as a threat. They just got sick of the flames and decided it wasn't worth trying to please TI-83 Plus users.

I had every intention of carrying out the boycott.

I know, I had posted that comment before Nick posted your response/essay.

I agree with what you said mostly, but not with that about macintoshes and the ti-83+. If the macintosh had as fair as a chance as the PC does the mac would kill the PC. I use both and my pc is like 5 times more powerful than my mac (its old) and the mac still is better. Less problems and all. I realy hate Windows, I like Linux and Mac OS( I have all three). One thing the mac may crash a lot (due to memory leaks which Apple is probly tring to fix) but the PC's are too easy to mess up and too hard to fix. I had these happen to me. I never had an almost fatal problem with the mac, I have had a fatal problem with this PC where I had to reformat the drive to the point where the drive would be if it were just assembled. Only thing I like about windows is that there is more software. Linux and Mac OS rule :-)

The reason there are so many problems with PCs is partly due to their popularity. With so many configurations possible, it's simply not possible to code an OS that is guaranteed to run on all of them. Also, with a larger customer base you have more people wanting options in the OS to make it more user friendly. When you add in all of that stuff, there's bound to be more problems. PCs started with DOS which worked nicely, but people needed pictures, and that set off a chain reaction of things. Macs With Macs, you have only a few different configurations because they are all made by the same company. Thus it is possible to code a more stable OS because you know almost everything about the hardware you'll be writing for. And yet, there are memory leaks.. You would think that with all of their attention focused on it they would be able to fix it, but nope.. And you say you love Linux.. Well, Linux runs on a PC. Linux is stable on a PC because it wasn't designed with a smiling apple face on boot up. It was designed with a command prompt. I guarantee you that if only IBM made PCs, there wouldn't be all of these problems.

The apple is still better. I think Steave Jobs is better than Bill Gates. Steve Jobs cares more for his customers. Anyway they have linux for the mac so shut up. And The mac has a more stable and more reliable system. Windows can't even reconize a floppy disk like a mac can, even if it had the same floppy disk drive. PC's also have problems with the source code for their operating systems like shuting down and it crashes saying there was an error with windows (fatal).
Mac's shutdown faster anyway, give off less radiation, and have better graphics (due to the monitor).

P.S. The G3 and G4 are faster than any normal PC (pentium based)

>The apple is still better. I think Steave Jobs is >better than Bill Gates. Steve Jobs cares more for his >customers.

how so?

>Anyway they have linux for the mac so shut up. And >The mac has a more stable and more reliable system.

i haven't had windows crash in a longggggg time
i can't even remember the last crash

>Windows can't even reconize a floppy disk like a mac >can, even if it had the same floppy disk drive.

what are you talking about? the way the floppy appears on the mac desktop?
so what if it takes 1 extra click to open the A:\ drive

>PC's also have problems with the source code for >their operating systems like shuting down and it >crashes saying there was an error with windows
(fatal).

once again what are you talking about?
if your pc crashes this much you really need to fix it.
or are you using old 486 with 4mb ram trying to run win95 at school, like at mine

>Mac's shutdown faster anyway,

who cares i choose shutdown from the start menu then turn the monitor off and walk away
>give off less radiation
was there some study on this?
and if so is the amount significantly less or a teenie tiny bit?

>and have better graphics (due to the monitor)
what kind of moniter?
there are some pretty raw flat screens for PC's NOT MACS

>P.S. The G3 and G4 are faster than any normal PC (pentium based)

so what if there are no good games for it.
i use a iMAc in my comp science class and it sucks so bad
i was all set to show up the class with some mode 13h graphics in dos mode but the suckey mac doesnt even have the conio.h include file
as for home use the only thing i use my comp for is web and programming dos mode
and some small gaming
so my 350 Mhz processer is plenty fast
and the web is limited by my 56K modem

later

Bill Gates just sits there other that checking up on how much money he has.

Maby because you only do one thing a bootup. Then restart and do another thing.

Ive seen where someone has a disk in the drive and the try to open it and what do you know. Drive not ready error even after it's been a minute for a CD, floppys don't need any load time and same with the zip disks.

Actually I am using a Pentium 2 400mhz 128mb of ram, 12 gb of hard drive, USB, DVD 2, CABLE MODEM SUPPORT, WINDOWS 98, and an ATI 3D Rage PRO graphics accellerator. So I don't think thats the problem Windows 98 just has some problems still, I wonder why they started Windows 2000 already.

When you shut down sometimes you need to get out in a hurry. If windows happens to crash while shutting down you might leave and the computer stays on for a month or more.

Yes there was a study and it is by a lot.

Apples monitors

And The Imac is still better. Don't expect everything for a PC to work on a mac (WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM ANOTHER OPERATING SYSTEM, THEY ARE EMULATORS)

Macs are still faster only limited by network speeds.

And the web right now is limited by 53k with a 56k modem and faster with DSL and Cable connections. A little behind on your computer facts huh.

Well that was what I was trying to point out the TI-83+ is an AWESOME Calc... but no software so it sucks

Same with Macs

The G3/G4 are AWESOME comps... no software, so they suck:) Heck the G4 can wipe a PC up and down... if you could play games that could take advantage of that kind of power

Remember, Quake 2 came out for Macs about 2-3 years after the initial release to PC's

Right, Less software but if it had as much as a chance (I said in one of my comments) it might win.

If you don't like beta versions with bugs, don't be dumb enough to download them. This is a democracy, you aren't forced to download them