Hey, you know i would like to congratulate Ticalc.org on a wonderful ammount of over 8000 Archived Files. And if some porgrammers starting porting some games for Ti 83+ like mario, pacman, and froger then you could have over 10000 games. Tell the programmers to supply us Ti 83+ers with some more games.

Love ya,
beasty

Look...u SOB. Everyone's working as fast as they can...It's pople like you who are always harassing the programmers to go faster and do this and do that that make people like Ahmed quit porting and stuff...So, SHUT UP!

LOL Damn right, let em work at their own pace. If you don't like it port them yourself.

I Have to admit, both sides of this argument are right.
Hurring programers is no good. I know that for myself because I am one.
On the other hand, The TI83 Programers should covert to the new TI83+ ASP, beacouse of It's many benifits, such as archiving and aplications.

So Be alite kinder and more considerite, all of you.

TI-83 programmers probably own a TI-83. What a concept. Unless they have a TI-83+ too, they're probably not going to port. They don't need the many benefits because they've already created the programs and, unless they're going to add to it, the "better platform" isn't going to help them.

Peoples, you have to understand that programmers - or anyone in the TI-Community (with a few exceptions of people we all don't like) aren't making money. They aren't affiliated with Texas Instruments, and TI hardly acknowledges any of the work done by programmers, so they do it for FUN. Some part of the "fun" is missing when people are whining to have the program ported 24/7. So while you probably think that your whining to get the programs ported to the TI-83+ is going to make the process faster, it probably discourages programmers and makes it slower. The TI-83+ is new, and programs will be created soon. You just have to wait. Patiently.

I wasn't wineing. I was just staing the fact that there is a big demand for games for TI 83 + gameres.
And I didn't state that the programers should rush.
Now If you exuse me, it is time for me to go to bedddddddddddddddddddddd.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Who ever made Ahmed quit porting, you should be feeling sorry. I like Ti calculators soooo much I try to help people with them and work them better.

How many times have I said this. If the programmers don't like all the pressure to make ti programs, then they need to quit, no one will miss them, they don't make progs for our calcs!!!

silence fool. of course people will miss the programmers. we need their happy little games. speaking of which, anyone want to port subhunt to the ti-89? that game is tight. I'd do it myself but I have no clue how and I'm pretty lazy.
anybody? please...

From: "Shaun M." <tectono@yahoo.com>
To: mhlandry@bellsouth.net
>me, arrogant, I think not you little worthless
>programmer, I am not a little programmer, i am a big
>time programmer wo just happens to want to see what
>peoples reactions are to his comments. have my own
>web page. VERY BIG STUFF. you've probably been there
>MANY times. Oh, by the way send me another email and i
>will report youa and put you on block in ALL TI sites,
>I have connections.
>SO GO TO HELL!!!
^ this is a reply to a mail I sent him after his outburst on the mario/blink article ^

>its your d*** job. If you don;t like it, WHO CARES >IF YOU QUIT!! for your info, you arrogant piece of >dirt, i am a >programmer, I DO get hundreds of >emails. jerk
^ this was his outburst ^

1. Since when is programming my job. Explain this to me please. Cause
the only thing I get out of programming is enjoyment.

2. When was I arrogant? You are the one thats going around yelling at
everyone, so even if I did sound arrogant, then its good for you.

3. I know nobody will care if I quit (at least yet), but people cared
when Bill Nagel quit, and now Sam is really angry because of people like
you.

4. What do you program, ti-basic? on your TI-80? I know I have no room
to talk, but are your hundreds of emails asking stupid things that can
be found easily in you ti-basic's program readme? Or is it something
like could you port your ti-83 (basic) game to asm or to a different
calc?

5. Yes, I dont like it, but I can keep myself under control. Seems like
you cant.

- Matt
^ and this was the mail he was replying to ^

Now, I hope all other 83/(+) programmers have/are paying attention, because I think it only proper to reply to people like this by boycotting the 83+, at least for awhile, like Sam has. Thank you for your time. I am sorry for any of those I have offended or dont share my views on this. But I think this and past posts will solidify my position.
- Matt

I'd like to point out that no one gets "put on block" with the exception of one outstanding case of severe, severe abuse.
--
Phil

wasn't I going to be blocked? They said they were going to block me...umm, so yeah, good job ticalc for the 8,001 files or so...I'm just waking up so I'm tired. Bye.

Oh Yeah. This comment is really going to get programmers jumping out of their seats to make Ti-83+ programs. Keep this attitude up and your going to end up putting your "Big Time Programming Skills" to work for the Ti-83+, because you'll be the last person that's willing to program the thing.

I've been programming calcs online for at least 2 years now. I have seen many calcs released in that time frame. And out of all the Calculator user communities I have seen come and go. I can now say with absolute assurance that the Ti-83+ User community as a whole is one of the Rudest, most arrogant, whiney little Brats to ever set foot in the Ti-community. (I know there are some TI-83+ users out there that are courteous to the Programming community, but finding them is like Having Superman find a 1 Karet Emerald in a 3 mile Kryptonite Field)

It's bad when I haven't touched a Ti-82 based calc in a year and these comments get on my nerves. I could only imagine what Ti-83 programmers are putting up with right now.

I must agree. I'm willing to bet that half of all of these so called 'programmers' have only attempted BASIC programs, never really finished them, and called themselves intermediate programmers. HA! You posers need to find something to do besides clog up the TI community with your constant nagging of programmers to port this and port that. It's not going to get you anywhere. Maybe you TI 83+ owners that consider yourselves programmers should try and port. I bet most of you are freshmen geometry students that saw that your friend had a TI calc with games and then decided to convince your overly-paid parents to spoil you some more by buying you a calculator. That's all we need, kids with more and more powerful calculators pretending that they can program.

I would like to ask the non-83 + users a simple question. Why do you characterize a whole group of people based on a few idiots? Most of the courteous TI-83+ users don't respond to these boards and stuff. They are being patient and don't feel the need to flame and beg. All of the idiots are represented on this board. You are right, it is hard to find a TI-83+ user on this board that is courteous, but the 83+ users on this board are very few. If you think that only the people on this board use the 83+ you are an idiot.
I am speaking for at least 40 83+ users in my pre-calc class and the calculus class. We 83+ users are not the spoiled little brats, who beg our parents to buy us these calculators. They are required for the course, and the 83+s are the cheapest usable calculators. If we were spoiled little brats, we would be asking for the 89 or even better the 92+.
The 83+ users are wrong for constantly nagging the programmers to port games and for flaming the ones that do because of the bugs. And I am not condemning the programmers that have decided not to make any more games for the 83+, I agree with them as long as they are reacting to the reality of things, not just what is on these boards. I know that Ahmed has received many unnecessary flames because of a bug in Tetris that crashed people’s calcs, but how is flaming him an appropriate response. No accomplished programmer would want to put bugs into a program. Ahmed has built up a reputation as an excellent porter, who would not want to purposely screw someone’s calc up. What most likely happened is that he felt so rushed to get the game out to the public, that he did not have an adequate time to test the game personally. I also agree with Sam in that making people wait for the games longer because they are bugging him.
I think there is a way around all these problems. What we need to do is create a forum where people can post ideas about games that they would like ported and created for their calcs. That way it should cut down significantly on the amount of emails that the programmers receive, but in the same time giving the people that think they are being helpful a place to voice their opinion. I also call on the users of the other calcs to stop responding to the people posting like idiots. We also need to change the anti 83+ atmosphere on the board. It seems ok for users of any other calc to constantly put down the 83+ users. And for some reason it seems ok for the users of other calculators to magnify the impact of the few idiots by constantly replying to the idiots like beasty, who I bet does not even own an 83+. You do not see the decent 83+ users doing that to the 85, 86, 89, 92, and 92+ users that act like idiots. They are there. If you just ignore the idiots like you should, it would solve so many problems.
Finally, I know this is a long post. We should all be thankful for all the games and math programs that have been released. We should not get angry with the programmers who decided to cut us 83+ users off from the flow of programs. It is their choice. They do it for fun, and frankly I don’t think it would be much fun to spend hours porting a game and then having to deal with people like beasty who would flame you just for the fun of it. I am gradually learning asm, and hopefully whenever the development kit from Ti comes it should help me even more. I want to help become part of the solution by porting games. I am proficient in basic for the computer and have designed many great games for that and I hope Asm won’t be too difficult to learn.
Now there is one program that I do want for the 83+ that I think I will be hard pressed to find one user on this board who disagrees with me on this one. A non-beta version of the TI-Graphlink software for the 83+ and a non-beta version for all the 89 users. This is ridiculous that TI, who is in this for the money, charging us $7 for a periodic table, after we spend $100 on the calculator and $20 on the link can’t give us a non-beta version after the calculator has been out for 8 months and the 89 even longer. Now that is something to complain about. And why do we need to get our flash apps signed by Ti. Why do they feel it necessary to control what gets released to flash. These are the problems we should be discussing on these boards, not Ztetris crashing your calculator.

Amen Borther. Praise the lord! Finaly some TI83+ user like me with some sence got thire opionon on theis mesage bord. You realy should listen to this guy.

>Most of the courteous TI-83+ users don't respond to these boards and stuff.

Why dont they then? Why are they not defending their position by telling the rude Ti-83+ users to Shut up and deal with the fact that it's going to take some time before games will be ported. As for basing my opinion in the first post. I cant remember a time when 2 Major Programmers (possibly more by now) decided to boycott a calculator because of it's users. Can you? I dont know about anybody else, but I wouldn't mind hearing some praise or encouragement once in awile instead of Insults, Death threats, and the like.

>What we need to do is create a forum where people can post ideas about games that they would like ported and created for their calcs

It's been done already. It's in the programming section of Ticalc.org under program requests.

I wish I had more time to elaborite more on this, but my main concern is that the Ti-83+ users show a bit more respect to the people who sit down all day programming Calcs for no benefit except to say that his/her game was good and that people enjoy playing it, and Right now, From what I am seeing on the Ti-83+ end, from this board, from programmers pages, and their E-mail their recieving, it's not happening this way.

Yes Amen! I am a ti-83+ user in 7th grade learning assembly (i wish u could use C++ in these programs)
this is my second post, you were right we just sit in the backround programming and waiting for games not flaming!

how do you learn assembly language?

I'm going to have to agree with this to a point but there are a couple things that should be pointed out. Those who do nothing but sit there and whine, flame, and just make everyone elses day a living hell..you know your not accomplishing anything. No programmers aren't arrogant..they are people..who do this as a hobby and when a hobby ends up being a tiresome, bothersome job that you get no enjoyment from it then the program is bound to lose all interest in the FUN of making the game. Yup, this is all suppose to be fun..not a damn job..those of us who have jobs know what its like to be pressured..and people don't need this..I don't care if people like to flame for fun or there just to damn immature to realize it..Programmers should be respected and so should there be an equal respect between the programmer and user. Coming to terms with respect sometimes brings greater rewards then flaming the HELL out of em..I don't mind people emailing me..I often encourage it..but I don't encourage mindless rant that obviously has no sound facts to it. This often pisses alot of people off to an extent..so all those who wish to see games, ports, etc (not just the +83 users) you have to come to terms that life doesn't revolve around you. Programmers are more understanding when you ask them..you would be surprised how often they reply back with a positive email. Its almost a damn shame to see how many people that act so immature and inconsiderate of everything.
Hopefully this doesn't become the new TI-Commmunity trend..I would hate to see all the programmers decide to quit programming for one/all calcs...
-I guess thats my two cents worth-

If you fell that way about it, why don't we be realy cheep and start charging money for programs.

A quick question, did you post that just to get flamed?

Has anyone besides me noticed that Beasty keeps posting comments about how TI-83 programmers should port all their games to the TI-83+, and keeps getting flamed for it?

HA HA HA! No, i do not just post to get flamed (well maybe a little). The main reason i put up my comments is that the Ti 83+ is being regarded as a crappy upgrade to an already crappy calc. Whereas the Ti 83+ is the most popular calculator in my highschool of over 1500. This calculator is all you need through precalc. I do not know one person, exept the flamers online, who don't have an 83 but tend to dis it. The Ti 83+ is a great calculator and you guys should lay off it. AND MAKE MORE GAMES FOR IT! WE TI 83+ers deserve some games! "Im a lazy programmer, blah, blah, blah." JUsT PORT SOME GAMeS FROM ASHELL TO ION. mAYBE 2 days work. AAAAAHHHHH! Release your source code if you dont want to port, that way we can do it. Oh yeah, and another thing. MAKE MORE GAMES FOR THE Ti 83+.

Love ya,
Beasty

I agree that the TI-83+ is a great calculator, since I own one myself... I see that a lot of people doing the flaming are ones that do Not have an 83+ either, nor are some of them programmers. Where do they have the right to flame you? :) I for one, am a porter for the 83+, and are still optimistic about doing so. There are other however, who see differently about making ports to the 83+. Go look at the newest article on the TCPA site (http://tcpa.calc.org/) to read about this latest announcement... I am willing to make ports for the 83+ community until I start experiencing the harassment by people also, then my views about doing this may change. We'll see...

Jason_K

I have to comend you for your action. By the way, When will the game Black hole be done? I like all the TCPA's games.
Back to the subject.

Back to the suject. I have to admit, I am a programer myself and can admit porting is hard. I had a Casio CFX color graphinc caculator and it broke, and I wrote down all my programing lanuage (sothing every programer should do). Then I bouth a TI83+ and had to covert my programs, which I am still converting into TI basic. They should be done in about a week. I have 2 new games, and a latin Program on the way after that. We, I at least am not against programing TI83's but I feel, we, the programers are now resposible for porting over to the new system as well as programing for the old system.

Remember, only hit the Post button once and be patient! It may take a moment to process.

Programmers aren't responsible for anything. Programmers do what they want based on their own free will. There is no contract that they have to sign that says that they must port their games to all platforms. Don't go around blaming programmers that they are all responsible for the lack in 83+ games.

No offense people but this just reminds me of my poor, poor, friends who got their hot-rod G3's when they came out, bragging about their ultimate power, then realizing that the power doesn't matter if there aren't any decent games for it:P

It's not our fault these gamers got 83+'s, which are basically 89 wannabes without the mhz, or ram to make it the real thing!

I'm not gonna say I'm spoiled, because I am. I personally own a TI-82, 83, 2 85's, 86, and soon to be the proud owner of a TI-89, but at least I got that from my own pocket money (heh, don't ask) but even I don't have an 83+ since if you really want to play games on your calc, you should have looked into it before buying the darn $80 graphy thing!

I learned a bit of 68k asm myself, and I can tell you that programming is a nasty thing to do, and it's kind of obvious. a game that is 10k large is literally hundreds of "pages" long! Well... not hundreds, but it's upwards of a hundred pages or more.

As for all you 83+ users, I feel sorry for you, because you basically bought the "Mac" of the calculator world! Yes, they ARE better for educational purposes... but if you wanted a calc for educational purposes, why didn't you get one of those casio things!?!?

Anyway, if you want to buy a calc, here's a quick overview of 'em (I'm not being the calc guru, this is just cause I own 'em all, and can compare 'em side by side)

TI-82 ... unless you don't have any money at all... don't get it although if you take a look, there are some pretty cool stuff for it (mega man, etc) but just not enough mem to have more than one decent game on it

TI-83 ... good for school, can hold quite a few nice games (mario, galaxian, arkanoid, ztetris, etc) and have a fairly good library of games for it, + most teachers know these in and out and can help you use them.

TI-83+ ... good for the hardcore... scholar. Not much for it, but serves it's purpose if you just want it for school. Good usually up to pre-cal, and then you start itching for an 89:)

TI-85 ... good calc, lots of progs for it, good for schoolwork, but with the number of good games for it, and the amount of mem it has, you always end up wanting more:) That's probably why I have two of 'em:P

TI-86 ... great calc, prob the best calc for students who want to work 'n play and who don't want to spit out the extra $30-40 for an 89, + a lot of students in your class will know how to use them and can help you out. Plus a ton of games, emulators for the 82 and 85 which allows it to play even more games, and the memory it has will hold all the games you'll want on it.

TI-89 ... Ultimate in school calcs. It can basically do anything, as well as play SF2! On the other hand, although many of the 89 games are high quality, there are a relative few, still more than the 83+ though. The TI-89 on the other hand IMO always seems to not have enough memory if you want to put SF2 on it:) Although if you don't have SF2 on it (losing the purpose of having an 89) then you can hold all you want)

TI-92 I don't know much about this one, but looks nice, not enough memory though, I'd go for the 92+ if you can shell out the bucks. Also can't use it on most tests including SAT's, PSAT's, AP exams and such.

TI-92+ Only disadvantage is it's size and inability to be used on most tests. If you're a student, don't bother, get an 89 if you have enough money to be considering a 92+:P

Just my 3 cents...

The HP series calculators are a lot less user friendly, and mostly professional programmers and engineers own them, but gad you take a look at the stats on those things:

Internal IR Ports (yes hp users have programmed these things to act as universal remotes)

Calc/PC/PDA transfer ability with IR Ports

Ability to upgrade to 4 MB ram INTERNALLY with home made modifications

Check out the games, a FULLY OPERATIONAL Zelda (several versions, all with diff storylines, that oughta keep you busy)

Operational DOOM with 4 weapons!

Prince of Persia, Mario Clones, and everything else you want (including SF2, and Mortal Kombat + Ultimate Mortal Kombat, unfortunately nothing of the quality the TI-89's SF2 spits out, even though they've got the hardware to store all the uncompressed full gray scale fighters on their ram with room to spare)

Professional programmers makin' games and junk for the calcs

Internal Speakers

Only runs on 3x AAA Batteries (saves you the extra buck:P and lasts just as long as the TI's which use 4x AAA's)

Has an Internal Clock/Date/Sound Alarm for appointments!!!! no extra programs for that needed! And HP found a way to make the internal clock work without draining the batteries barely at all. (I have a 6 year old HP48 that I never used because I never bothered to figure out how to use it, that is only off by 10 minutes and has batteries still at almost full power.

+ a bunch of other stuff... but unless you can figure out how to use one of those things, stick with the TI's... oh yah, they already have an operational Radio Link as well as coming with vinyl cases:)

Another 2 cents... that makes 5 cents now right?

The 83+ is a crappy upgrade that shouldn't have even taken place. Personally, if someone wants a calculator to get them through all of high school and college.. the 86 is the best way to go.. or an 89. I think TI was just trying to give the 83 a better name with the 83+.

I would like to disagree with that statement. The TI-83+ is alot better then the TI-83. People say that b/c a lot more people own the TI-*# and liek what it does. And if they want the TI-83+ they would have to relearn something. I guess what i'm tring to say is like old people. They like doing stuff from the old days then learning a computer. Does anybody understand what I'm sayin?

So... you're tryin' to say you can't teach an old dog new tricks?

NO that's not what I'm saying. If you see the Older people don't want to sit there learning a computer. thats what's happening here. The programmers just don't want to learn the new TI-83+ so they talk about how good the old TI's are. Thats what i'm tring to say!
~Kakarott

If you want to complain about the lack of games for the 83 then why didn't you buy a 86 or 89. I think you are the one at fault for the calculator you bought, not the porters.

- Derrick

Oh yea Congrats to tifiles for that 8000 file.

I'm sure that ti-files is elated. :)

--BlueCalx

you guys are all losers. make Mario for 83+ or I'll beat you losers up and take your lunch money ya stupid losers with too much free time. THAT MEANS YOU YA LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HEHE HEHEHEHEHEHE HEHEHEHEHEHEHE HEHEHEHEHEHEH EHEHEHEHEHEH EHEHEHEHEHEHEHE HEHEHEHEHEHEHE HEHEHEHEHEHEH EHEHEH EHE HEHE

cya ya losers