I tried the games under my ti-83 (not plus) and they didn't work, not even with ion

Make sure you send the right verson of the games to the correct calculator .83p files are for your calculator and .8xp are for the pluses.

tetris works fine for me except for the speed it starts out at is unusually high for level 1 in tetris and the score after 1 line is about 3500 so thats a tad off but besides that its cool.(I have TI-83+ 1.12 too doubt it matters at all)

Ok, ok. I think its obvious that the 83+ version of Ztetris doesn't work. All of the 83+ users affected should stop sending me hate mail. I had nothing to do with the port. The same goes for all of the people who tried to send the .83p version of an ION game to their 83+, and it didn't work (SubHunt).

As a consequence of all this hatemail, no more ION ports of any project with which I am affiliated will be made. No emails sent to me reqarding the 83+ will be answered. However, as common courtesy, I have looked into the Ztetris 83+ source and found the problem. It was fairly obvious, and it had nothing to do with the display routine. Ahmed should fix it soon.

i am not mad at you, as a matter of fact i hope you make more games, i understand that all games have a test stage, so we just gotta tough that part out. also, anybody stupid enough to put a TI-83 program onto the TI-83+ is a real idiot. and for all of you who are dying to have subhunt, you can get the 83+ version now.

Hey! Neither am I! I know it's a new calc, and bugs still need to be worked out and programs fixed! Most of us are smart enough to expect that b4 we bought our x month old calcs. Please do not stop porting to the 83+!! It would be a real shame! All the flame you are getting is comming from those Freshmen and Sophomores who don't know zilch about an TI let alone their newest one! Just ignore them! TO ALL OF YOU NEWBIES OUT THERE, GIVE THESE PROGRAMERS A BREAK. THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR FREE TIME TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF ENJOYMENT. DON'T FLAME THEM BECAUSE THEY MADE A MISTAKE, THEY ARE DOING YOU A SERVICE, AND UNTILL YOU CAN PROGRAM THAT LITTLE COUNTING MACHINE YOU BOUGHT AS GOOD AS THEM, SHUDDUP ABOUTIT!!!!!!!!!

p.s.
my brother's '83+ crashed (turned off then cleared RAM) twice b4 it started working, not sure if it is working now yet but it seems to be.

ALSO:
all you hafta do is create a backup group of all your programs in a group file (read the manual, that's what it's there for!) (2nd + MEM + 8 create new, all, BCKUP or something like that) then when your RAM gets cleared at school or sumthin' just restore the backup geniuses!

Please don't generalize your angst towards freshmen and sophomores. Not all newbies to the TI graphing calculator fall into the freshman/sophomore category. You'd be surprised to know how many ASM coders there are out there who are in 7th or 8th grade. I know some people who are taking Algebra 1 in college and don't know what a graphing calculator is. In fact, there's one right down the hall from me...

~ferich

Dude!! dont stop makin games don't let bastards that hate mail you get to ya just tell em to fuck off(sorry for the language but I had to)

The results of my month long research are in, and yes, it's official: all of the idiots in American high schools are drawn to the mystical powers of the +. Let them not purchase a calculator useful past Algebra 2, nay! Let them purchase the TI-83+, for the + undoubtedly means better, does it not? And what is this silly book they have included, a manual? Bah! No self respecting user would crack open such a useless item! Let them instead flock to the help channels. When that becomes tiresome, let them not seek to learn something of value, but forsooth! let them program useless utilities and clones of programs already availiable, then let them distribute them and hail their own creations as the greatest thing since sliced bread! For, yae, this is the way of the TI-83+ user.

Levine "Score: 0 - Flamebait" [last name]

This is both flamebait and my honest opinion:
Anything below the 86 sucks badly. Get an 86 to start with (in alg 1 or so) and get an 89 once you go into precalculus. The 83/83+ is a useless piece of fecal matter.
NOW THAT'S FLAMEBAIT! :)

--BlueCalx

::applause::

Look
there is no need to put down a calculator that most of you dont even have. maybe some people want a calc that is relatively inexpensive, and doesnt do all their math work for them. correct me if im wrong, but isnt the point of math class to learn math? i think getting a calculator just so it can pump out all of your homework is lazy and sad. and by the way, i didnt buy the ti-83+ because of the plus. I bought it because it was under $100, and it had flash memory, which lets me store programs i rarely use, so they dont crowd my ram. So you people that are putting down calcs you dont even own need to get a life. no one thinks your cool because you have a calculator worth more than your car.
Bill

I had an 83 and I am glad it was stolen. :)
The 83 is, in fact, useless. My $30 TI-68 does more than the $95 TI-83(Polynomial roots and simultanious equation solver). For $10 more, why not get an 86, which doesn't do all your math for you(that's the 89:) )? Or even an 85, which often costs the same as an 83(not +) around here(Michigan)? YOU shouldn't criticize people for putting down the piece of crap know as a TI-83 and no one HERE thinks you're cool because your car is worth more than your calculator.

Why doesnt ticalc delete this whole string?

i want trying to make anyone mad. Im just tired of people putting down a darn good calculator. it just shows how immature these people are to say all this stuff. get a life

Although I agree that anything lower than an 86 isn't preferable, I know a lot of people who buy the 83 or 83plus because that's what the math teachers know how to use. TI has spent huge amounts of money selling the 83 and 82 to math departments around the country, as well as training teachers to use and teach with them. This is part of the reason that TI has such a large market share in the US.
Now, I know many of you are thinking that you don't need a teacher to help you with your calculator, but a lot of people are, let's say, less than technically inclined. In fact, I have a friend who has an 85 who is borrowing an 82 from a teacher so that she can learn how to use the calculator easier.
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Phil

Whew! Controversy abound! Let me clarify (for those of you not gramaticially inclined)

I do not own an 83, or an 83+. I never have. But I have used both, and I find no advantage whatsoever of either over any other higher-level TI calculator. Price is not a factor, as far as I'm concerned... the 83, 83+, 85 and 86 are all well within $30 of each other if you're willing to hunt around. I am fully aware of the large amount of time and money teachers have put into this particular model, and I do not agree with it at all. As many people here have stated, it is useless past mid-level math. And I don't see how the 'ease of use' argument stands up... there is about a 3 minute learning curve when going from the 83[+] to either the 85 or 86 (2 of which are spent learning to adapt to the highly more efficent function-key based menu system), and perhaps 10 minutes from there to the 89.

The reason I posted this is because I am _very_ tired of answering the exact same questions in an unnamed help channel over... and over... and over. I'd predict that out of all the questions asked, 80-85% of them have to do with someone who lacks the mental capacity to look up one of the most basic features of the 83+ in the manual.

I would normally apologise at the end of a post like this, but I have nothing to apologise for.

Levine

First, remind me never to post long dissertations again without writing it on paper. I was not able to post; it asked me to login, and then the website gave me an ugly error: You did not specify the newsID to respond to. "F--- the system" is a gross understatement of my thoughts. It wasn't so bad that I stopped though :)

Briefly, here are the main points I wanted to get across:

1. We on IRC are tired of chewing on the same questions.
2. There are other sources of help that come before IRC. They include the ticalc.org FAQ and Basics section (click on Help) and the documentation that came with the program.
3. People seem to come on IRC to ask questions because they didn't read the documentation closely enough. However, this is understandable when the documentation is atrocious or unreadable (i.e. Programmers: put your readmes in .txt format and be sure to use carriage returns as needed)
4. Don't make the same mistake I did; get a TI-86. The power of the TI-86 more than compensates for the learning curve.

I doubt anybody will read this, but...
I recently got an 83+. I got it not because i think it's the best out there because of the plus. I got it because I didn't need anything better, and in Alg II even. I admit, there are better TIs, but it was all I needed. But to make a long story short, the new 86 has been released out here(developer's version, basically an 86+) and the 86 went on sale for the same price as my 83+, so i traded it in. Sure, there's better, but do you need it? Remember a few years back when you couldn't USE a calculator? Got by then, huh?

Here's my advice for everyone who hates the 83+:

Buy an 85, then enroll in AP statistics. Now you'll understand why anyone would want to buy an 83.

The new programs don't work for the regular 83 - I can get every other program requiring ION to work, but none of these. Maybe it's a problem with the compiler.

No rush replying, especially since it looks like I can play SOS ZTetris against ION ZTetris for the 83+. (?)

Dang, and I really wanted to use that calendar, too ^_^